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    And I see now that the construction site at Cocoa is basically one straight street away from the Canaveral launch complex, so that move should be doable. And if it isn't, there's always the water.

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    SafeNotAnOption @SafeNotAnOption (Rand Simberg)
    History may record the absurdity of current planning for Artemis while this was happening in south Texas and Florida.
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    https://twitter.com/BocaChicaGal/sta...01812371529733

    Mary @BocaChicaGal
    The cylinder grows higher as another panel section gets stacked and another section is brought out of the container area. It's been another busy morning at Boca Chica. @NASASpaceflighthttps://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/in...180#msg1963180https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/in...199#msg1963199
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolas View Post
    And I see now that the construction site at Cocoa is basically one straight street away from the Canaveral launch complex, so that move should be doable. And if it isn't, there's always the water.
    AIUI, down the road a tad from Coastal Steel is a boat/barge mooring.

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    Only a few segments left....

    Mary @BocaChicaGal
    Another busy morning here at Boca Chica. Removal of the protective film has started. The polishing on Starship orbital prototype continues. The four panels that make a complete ring are being lowered into the container area. ������@NASASpaceflight https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/in...409#msg1963409
    1:27 PM - Jul 6, 2019

    https://twitter.com/BocaChicaGal/sta...57633949405186

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolas View Post
    And I see now that the construction site at Cocoa is basically one straight street away from the Canaveral launch complex, so that move should be doable. And if it isn't, there's always the water.
    Heck, just light one motor and fly it over!
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    Quote Originally Posted by docmordrid View Post
    AIUI, down the road a tad from Coastal Steel is a boat/barge mooring.
    On further inspection, I only see unconnected bodies of water near Cidco road.

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    Elon Musk ✔ @elonmusk
    Exciting progress in Boca! Hopper almost ready to hover. Based on tonight’s test, looks like 600 Hz Raptor vibration problem is fixed.
    4:53 AM - Jul 7, 2019

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    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1147790758449012736

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    Roger Holt @RogerLewisHolt
    I thought I would do a composite image of all of the Boca Chica Starship components assembled. It looks like only 3 more rings need adding, (5 panels high) to be full hight. (Red section not built yet.)#SpaceX
    Sourse 📷photos Credit @austinbarnard45
    4:38 AM - Jul 7, 2019

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    https://twitter.com/RogerLewisHolt/s...87064836055041

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    Anton Gromov @tossha_spb
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    You know what else sounds like fun? Starship presentation!
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    Elon Musk ✔ @elonmusk
    Will do Starship presentation a few weeks after Hopper hovers, so prob late July. If that timing works, free LJ chips for all present!
    7:09 PM - Jul 7, 2019

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1148006177491472384

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    Good SN6 news

    Reagan Beck @bluemoondance74
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    Was the 50sec expected-Raptor SN6 test tonight considered a success, or was it intended to have been longer?
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    Elon Musk ✔ @elonmusk
    Overall successful. Aborted at T+51 sec on high mixture ratio, but we were intentionally probing the corners of the box of operating conditions, so not surprising.
    2:31 AM - Jul 8, 2019

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1148117387419348992
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    Reagan Beck @bluemoondance74
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    I regret my lack of technical terms lol... but in other words, are you saying you *maxed out* SN6 w/out causing damage- so the 51 sec abort was a good thing?
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    Everyday Astronaut @Erdayastronaut
    If the ratio gets too high, temperatures go up. A lot of effort goes into keeping the walls and throat of the combustion chamber from literally melting including circulating fuel through the walls and film cooling via additional fuel injectors on the outer edge of the injector
    2:41 AM - Jul 8, 2019

    https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/s...19849056423936

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    "No one hurt after fire at SpaceX Starship site in Cocoa ceases operations"

    https://www.clickorlando.com/news/sp...-site-in-cocoa

    A fire at the Cocoa industrial facility Monday where SpaceX is constructing a prototype of its interplanetary rocket ship Starship was quickly put out, according to a SpaceX spokesperson and Cocoa city officials.

    The Starship mockup will be used to fire the rocket engines on brief "hops" to test out systems and hardware. A second prototype of the SpaceX interplanetary spaceship is also being assembled and tested in Boca Chica, Texas, according to SpaceX CEO Elon Musk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selvaarchi View Post
    "No one hurt after fire at SpaceX Starship site in Cocoa ceases operations"

    https://www.clickorlando.com/news/sp...-site-in-cocoa
    Sounds like an electrical fire.

    ESA is now listing the Starship #dearMoon manned lunar free return mission in 2023, and a manned Blue Origin mission in 202X.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmordrid View Post
    Sounds like an electrical fire.

    ESA is now listing the Starship #dearMoon manned lunar free return mission in 2023, and a manned Blue Origin mission in 202X.

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    Is this the mission with the Japanese artist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bknight View Post
    Is this the mission with the Japanese artist?
    It's a Japanese busnessman who wants to take artists etc. along. Lunar free return trajectory was the plan, but that could evolve as Musk has been hinting a Starship landing as practice for Mars.

    He'll be doing an update sometime after the upcoming Starhopper hops, so perhaps new plans then. There's speculation this may take place at the new Univ. Texas-Rio Grande Valley STARGATE facility near the SpaceX South Texas launch center, a joint project with SpaceX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmordrid View Post
    It's a Japanese busnessman who wants to take artists etc. along. Lunar free return trajectory was the plan, but that could evolve as Musk has been hinting a Starship landing as practice for Mars.

    He'll be doing an update sometime after the upcoming Starhopper hops, so perhaps new plans then. There's speculation this may take place at the new Univ. Texas-Rio Grande Valley STARGATE facility near the SpaceX South Texas launch center, a joint project with SpaceX.
    Lunar landings are completely separate. The dearMoon lunar flyby is a lot easier and safer than a lunar landing and return, and can be done with a far less complete Starship system: one launch, no orbital refueling, one landing on Earth with GPS guidance. Lunar landings will require even more refueling launches than Mars trips, navigation systems for landing without GPS, surveys for safe landing sites with unmanned precursors before any craft carrying people touches down...and even more work if anyone's to actually get out of the vehicle once they get there. Unless someone contracts them to set up a lunar base, it's likely to just be a couple unmanned landings.

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    In the 2018 update SpaceX said refuelling Starship in a high elliptical orbit gets them to the lunar surface and back.

    SpaceX-BFS-Lunar-Surface-Missions (1).jpg

    Felix @gatoparlante
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    How is going to safely land Spaceship without a landing zone? Can it tolerate landing & taking off on a not perfectly flat area? Moon surface is quite irregular.
    7:34 AM - Apr 29, 2019
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    Elon Musk ✔ @elonmusk
    Replying to @gatoparlante
    Yes
    7:34 AM - Apr 29, 2019

    Everyday Astronaut @ErdayAstronaut
    Do you see starship landing on the Moon before Mars? Have you gone #moonfirst on us? ��
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    For sure moon 1st, as it’s only 3 days away & u don’t need interplanetary orbital synchronization

    Astrum @AstrumFun
    Will the Moon be Starships first mission or will you directly send it to Mars with supplies for future colonies?
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    Elon Musk ✓ @elonmusk
    Moon first, Mars as soon as the planets align
    Last edited by docmordrid; 2019-Jul-10 at 12:56 AM.

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    Long burns tonight. Look for hop attempts next week.

    The early part of this shows the shipping container which was being used for welding practice. An oopsie caused an electrical fire.

    https://youtu.be/os8bfSqn2Gk

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    Reagan Beck @bluemoondance74
    In the midst of some amazing sounding tests of likely Merlins in the SpaceX McGregor area, I believe I heard the Raptor SN6 for ~1 min last night, and for an incredible 84 sec this evening. Would you please confirm?? ��✨��
    12:52 AM - Jul 10, 2019

    https://twitter.com/bluemoondance74/...17211483668480

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmordrid View Post
    In the 2018 update SpaceX said refuelling Starship in a high elliptical orbit gets them to the lunar surface and back.

    SpaceX-BFS-Lunar-Surface-Missions (1).jpg

    Felix @gatoparlante
    Replying to @elonmusk
    How is going to safely land Spaceship without a landing zone? Can it tolerate landing & taking off on a not perfectly flat area? Moon surface is quite irregular.
    7:34 AM - Apr 29, 2019
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    Elon Musk ✔ @elonmusk
    Replying to @gatoparlante
    Yes
    7:34 AM - Apr 29, 2019

    Everyday Astronaut @ErdayAstronaut
    Do you see starship landing on the Moon before Mars? Have you gone #moonfirst on us? ��
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    Elon Musk ✓ @elonmusk
    For sure moon 1st, as it’s only 3 days away & u don’t need interplanetary orbital synchronization

    Astrum @AstrumFun
    Will the Moon be Starships first mission or will you directly send it to Mars with supplies for future colonies?
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    Elon Musk ✓ @elonmusk
    Moon first, Mars as soon as the planets align
    Discussion of its lunar landing capabilities goes back to the first version, and he's only saying they'll be landing on the moon before Mars. None of this references dearMoon or landing with passengers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmordrid View Post
    The early part of this shows the shipping container which was being used for welding practice. An oopsie caused an electrical fire.
    It appears that the fire was “contained”.
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    The FAA has issued a Starship Hopper flight permit

    https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...%20(06-21-2019).pdf

    Space Exploration Technologies is authorized, subject to the provisions of 51 USC Subtitle V, ch. 509, and the orders, rules, and regulations issued under it, to conduct launches.

    General. The permittee is authorized to conduct:

    (1) An unlimited number of flights of the Starship Hopper Reusable Launch Vehicle within the operating area identified by permit order A; and

    (2) Pre-flight and post-flight ground operations at Boca Chica Launch Site associated with flights of the Starship Hopper Reusable Launch Vehicle.
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    Beach closure at Boca Chica for a Starship Hopper hop attempt on July 17 (1400-2000 Central), with backups of the 18th (1400-2000 Central) and the 19th (0600-1200 Central).

    https://twitter.com/rgv_com/status/1148801257005572096

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    Raptor SN6 has arrived for next week's Starship Hopper test

    Chris B - NSF @NASASpaceflight
    SN6 Raptor is being installed on to Starhopper at Boca Chica.

    Mary (@BocaChicaGal) with some cool pics 📸https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/in...715#msg1964715
    12:29 PM - Jul 11, 2019

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    https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/...35502528365363

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmordrid View Post
    Raptor SN6 has arrived for next week's Starship Hopper test

    Chris B - NSF @NASASpaceflight
    SN6 Raptor is being installed on to Starhopper at Boca Chica.

    Mary (@BocaChicaGal) with some cool pics ��https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/in...715#msg1964715
    12:29 PM - Jul 11, 2019

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    https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/...35502528365363
    Do you know how many more engines will be attached prior to testing?

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    Initially, one. It has 170t of thrust, the (overbuilt & heavy) Hopper is about 50-60t + propellants. Good enough for the low altitude hops. Later three for the 5,000m hops + more fuel.

    Musk said a properly built, expendable, Starship-derived upper stage for high deltaV probe missions would mass about 40t.

    In 2018 they said the much longer Starship propulsion module held about 1100t of propellants. Like today, 6 Raptors.
    Last edited by docmordrid; 2019-Jul-11 at 09:43 PM.

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    Elon Musk ✔ @elonmusk
    Raptor engine mounted on Starhopper. Aiming for hover test Tues.
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    ~20m up & sideways for first flight. Mk1 Starship hopefully 20km up in a few months.
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    We changed the design quite a bit. More about this in late July.
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    100mT to 125mT for true useful load to useful orbit (eg Starlink mission), including propellant reserves. 150mT for reference payload compared to other rockets. This is in fully reusable config. About double in fully expendable config, which is hopefully never.
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    1:24 AM - Jul 12, 2019

    Twitter thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmordrid View Post
    Initially, one. It has 170t of thrust, the (overbuilt & heavy) Hopper is about 50-60t + propellants. Good enough for the low altitude hops. Later three for the 5,000m hops + more fuel.

    Musk said a properly built, expendable, Starship-derived upper stage for high deltaV probe missions would mass about 40t.

    In 2018 they said the much longer Starship propulsion module held about 1100t of propellants. Like today, 6 Raptors.
    Ok, but it looked like it was off centered where it was installed, that's why I asked.

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    NOTAM (notice to airmen) for the Starship Hopper hop

    https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_9_0258.html

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    New drone video of the Cocoa FL Starship site.

    Very shiny!

    Pad for a large structure going in at the rear of the lot.

    Etc.

    https://youtu.be/U-scr6FsddY

    More images on Twitter, showing a bulkhead on the ground near the cargo module & construction on the pad,

    https://twitter.com/flying_briann/st...01357160976385
    Last edited by docmordrid; 2019-Jul-13 at 04:16 PM.

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    Thrust vector control tests last night, with more tests building up to a static fire before the hop.

    https://youtu.be/3pD5CZZfnYk

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