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    Collaboration between China and France has produced results.

    http://english.nssc.cas.cn/rh/rp/201...13_189013.html

    "On Jan. 11, 2018,the Geostationary Millimeter-wave Atmospheric Sounder Demonstrator jointly developed by the National Space Science Center, Chinese Academy of Sciences (NSSC, CAS) and the European Space Agency (ESA) passed the Joint Acceptance Review, which is the first substantial achievement for CAS-ESA cooperation in the field of advanced payload technology of earth observation, paving the way for future Millimeter-wave exploration for the Chinese GEO meteorological satellites.

    Geostationary Millimeter-wave Atmospheric Sounding can realize real-time three-dimensional monitoring of disastrous severe convection weather, such as typhoon and rain storms, as introduced by Prof. WU Ji from NSSC, CAS. At present, no meteorological satellites in the world have such observational capability. Therefore it is one of the most important research frontiers in the field of Earth observation all over the world. Of one accord, NSSC and ESA focus on the new interferometric aperture synthesis technology, aiming to tackle constrains of the traditional technology to achieve better technological specification such as better spatial resolution. After more than ten years of extensive research, both sides have entered the stage of developing full scale ground demonstrators for experimentation".

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    China is taking it one step further and establishng a Research Laboratory in Luxembourg.

    http://www.gouvernement.lu/7695473/1...ontext=3422869

    The Research Laboratory of Deep Space Exploration will be established as an independent legal entity in Luxembourg where it will carry out scientific research and technology development and thus contribute to achieving the objectives set forth within the SpaceResources.lu initiative. Other main research fields of the Research Laboratory include universal interplanetary communications network related technology or advanced deep space communications technology. In a first stage, the Research Laboratory will employ at least 5 employees in Luxembourg.

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    US politicians worried about China gaining American technology have stopped NASA having any direct contact with China. They also are putting pressure on their companies to stop buying Russian rocket engines.

    Now they are worried Russia might sell the engines to China!

    https://www.ft.com/content/0e200bbc-...7-5465a6ce1a00

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    https://www.ft.com/content/0e200bbc-...7-5465a6ce1a00

    Great Wall Industry, the Chinese space launch company, is negotiating with Russia’s top rocket maker to procure sensitive engine technology, highlighting the deepening aerospace ties between the two countries that have*sparked concerns in Washington.

    Russia’s leading rocket engine manufacturer,*NPO Energomash, confirmed to the FT on Wednesday that the talks were taking place, although attempts to reach Great Wall Industries were unsuccessful. China’s National Space Administration also declined to comment.

    Energomash’s engine, the RD-180, is so highly rated that it is used by the US for its own satellite launches —*a curious exception to Washington’s sanctions on Russia implemented following the 2014 invasion of Crimea.

    US politicians have threatened to block future purchases of the RD-180 under pressure from competitors such as*SpaceX and*geopolitical concerns over relying on Russia for strategic technologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selvaarchi View Post
    US politicians worried about China gaining American technology have stopped NASA having any direct contact with China. They also are putting pressure on their companies to stop buying Russian rocket engines.

    Now they are worried Russia might sell the engines to China!

    https://www.ft.com/content/0e200bbc-...7-5465a6ce1a00
    I cannot access the link.

    I get that you believe the USA is worried about Russia's RD-180 sales. I don't believe anybody in American rocketry is that concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7cscb View Post
    I cannot access the link.

    I get that you believe the USA is worried about Russia's RD-180 sales. I don't believe anybody in American rocketry is that concerned.

    Do a google search on "China Russia rocket" and like me get through the Financial Times payment wall to read the article.

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    A more balanced report on China's progress is in the latest issue of The Economist.

    https://www.economist.com/news/china...ce-are-growing

    Europe is keen to collaborate. Chinese and European scientists launched their first joint satellite in 2003. They are now co-operating in a study of solar wind. Astronauts from the European Space Agency (ESA) recently trained with Chinese counterparts in survival skills. Karl Bergquist, an ESA official, says a few European astronauts are learning Chinese to prepare for possible joint missions.

    But America’s worries are growing about the military aspects of China’s space programme. Marco Aliberti of the European Space Policy Institute in Vienna says this has been particularly evident since 2013, when China showed it could launch projectiles into the lofty orbits traced by America’s most sensitive satellites, suggesting it was developing an ability to knock them out. Many American scientists favour a more relaxed approach. But in an era of “America First”, the chances are slim of NASA being allowed to befriend China.

    All this rankles among Chinese officials. They note that tense relations between America and Russia have not prevented those two countries’ space agencies from working together (since retiring the space shuttle, America has been dependent on Russian rockets to get astronauts into space). As many people in China see it, America’s behaviour is further confirmation of a long-held belief that America wants to create impediments to China’s rise. Jiao Weixin, a space expert at Peking University, says America is locked in “cold-war thinking”. If American authorities do not wish to work with China, he says, there are others who will.

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    This Friday's launch by China will carry a satellite jointly developed by China and Italy to monitor electromagnetic and atmospheric phenomena, and study correlations with the occurrence of seismic events.

    https://gbtimes.com/china-to-launch-...udent-cubesats

    China is set to launch an experimental seismo-electromagnetic probe on Friday from the Jiuquan launch centre, with small ESA and commercial satellites along for the ride.

    A Long March 2D rocket will carry the main and piggybacking payloads into low Earth orbit from Jiuquan in the Gobi Desert, with launch anticipated to be around 15:50 local time (07:50 UTC).

    The launch will be China's sixth following a busy January, with the country planning a possible 40 launches for 2018.

    The main payload is Zhangheng-1, also known as the China Seismo-Electromagnetic Satellite (CSES). CSES is a collaborative project between the China National Space Administration (CNSA) and Italian Space Agency (ASI), and includes a range of Chinese and Italian universities and research institutions to monitor electromagnetic and atmospheric phenomena, and study correlations with the occurrence of seismic events.

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    Today's launch highlights how much cooperation there is between China and Europe. The launch included satellites built with collaboration between China and ESA. It also included with Italy and Denmark and some European companies.

    https://gbtimes.com/china-launches-s...rcial-cubesats

    China launched a seismo-electromagnetic probe on Friday, along with CubeSats for the European Space Agency, Denmark, companies Satellogic and Linkspace, and a youth space project.

    The cluster of satellites were launched on a Long March 2D rocket from the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Centre in the Gobi Desert at 15:51 local time (07:51 UTC).

    The two-stage hypergolic launch vehicle sent the seven satellites towards a 500 km altitude Sun-synchronous orbit, with Chinese aerospace institutes confirming success within an hour.

    The launch was China's sixth for 2018, with the country planning around 40 launches for the year, including government and commercial missions. Today's mission was due to lift off in August 2017, but was delayed, at least initially, by two launch issues suffered in June and July.

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    Jeffrey Manber, CEO, NanoRacks requests the National Space Council to relook at the restrictions on American space companies to do business with China.

    http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=52267

    Finally, as I look overseas, the United States cannot simply ignore China's commercial space ambitions. China is quietly developing a robust commercial space industry. I say quietly because Americans are blinded by our own regulations, and mindset, from participation.

    Large Chinese companies are creating commercial launch efforts while young Chinese entrepreneurs are raising funds from Silicon Valley to Hong Kong. On a governmental level, the European Space Agency has astronauts training to visit the planned Chinese space station. But the United States is barred. NanoRacks and others are limited on what we can sell in this marketplace.

    Avoiding this emerging marketplace, albeit due to justified concerns over technology transfer and other legitimate challenges, is not the American global leadership that we strive to achieve.

    Now, while my time today is brief, I urge us to negotiate a stern but fair agreement with China, and allow U.S. businesses to do what we do best: innovate and compete better than anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selvaarchi View Post
    Jeffrey Manber, CEO, NanoRacks requests the National Space Council to relook at the restrictions on American space companies to do business with China.
    Now we know why. NanaRacks is working with a Chinese commercial company to develop a near space Traveler spacecraft.

    US company Nanoracks and Kuang-Chi of China have signed a cooperation deal on the near space 'Traveler' helium spacecraft, designed for space tourism and commercial applications.

    Shenzhen-based Kuang-Chi has developed a number of craft for near space, and last year sent a live turtle to an altitude of over 20 kilometres aboard Traveler 3.

    It is aiming to be able to safely transport people and payloads to an altitude of around 25 kilometres, taking them into the zone known as 'near space' 20-100 kilometres above the Earth.

    According to a Nanorack press release, the partnership will focus on the "development of the Traveler program outside of China, leveraging Kuang-Chi’s near space technology and NanoRacks’ expertise in both in-space business development and customer marketing."

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    Article in this week's "Space Review" requesting the US to cooperate with China is space.

    http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3458/1

    Landing on the Moon in 1969 was one of the greatest achievements in human history. This accomplishment was the result of the Space Race between the United States and the Soviet Union. Now, the United States endeavors to go to the Moon again.

    This time, the United States should go to the Moon not based on competition but on cooperation. China’s space capabilities are improving rapidly and its space presence is expanding. Collaboration with China can bring financial and diplomatic benefit. Last December, the Trump Administration declared its intent to go back to the Moon and go beyond. To achieve this goal, international cooperation is necessary. To achieve this goal, the United States should travel to the Moon with China as a new partner.

    While the United States has built trust and cooperation with many countries in space, so far it has not worked with China. The US space station program was originally designed in the context of Cold War. Eventually, the United States invited Russia to the International Space Station and deepened international cooperation in space. On the other hand, in 2011, a federal law prohibited NASA from working with China for national security reasons.

    This prohibition should be eliminated and the United States should collaborate with China. Cooperation should proceed step by step. Even during the Cold War, the United States and the Soviet Union cooperated in space. The United States can find ways to work with China. As a first step, the United States should admit China to participate in the International Space Station.

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    China is going all out to strengthen international space cooperation.

    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/201..._137123117.htm

    China will continue to strengthen international cooperation in peaceful exploration and utilization of outer space, said Li Guoping, a spokesman of the China National Space Administration (CNSA), Thursday.

    So far, China has signed 121 cooperation agreements with 37 countries and four international organizations, Li said at a press conference about the Space Day of China, which will come on April 24, marking the day the country's first satellite was sent into space in 1970.

    He raised the example of the 30-year-long cooperation between China and Brazil in the development of earth resources satellites. Currently, the two countries are jointly developing a fourth satellite, which is progressing well.

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    China to work with ESA to carry out research on space food,

    https://gbtimes.com/china-looking-to...d?cat=business

    ESA has partnered with China in space science, launches and astronaut training. This could lead to a European joining Chinese counterparts on the CSS, but smaller steps are needed first.

    "Three of my young colleagues, one German, one Italian, and one French, have started learning Chinese because we hope that the first non-Chinese astronaut to fly [in China's Space Station] will be a European," Xinhua quoted Clervoy as saying.

    "We have attached great importance to the cooperation and exchanges with foreign astronauts on academic studies and training. Next, we want to jointly carry out some research on space food with ESA," said Fei Junlong, deputy director of Astronaut Centre of China and veteran of the Shenzhou 6 mission.

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    Now I only have to drive 300 miles south to see some of the Chinese space equipment

    https://www.thestar.com.my/metro/met...enang-in-july/

    YOU probably have read about China’s space missions or even seen them on television. Now is the chance to get a rare insight into its aerospace programme at the Space Exploration Gallery at Tech Dome Penang.

    The China Science and Technology Museum has brought space models worth about RM1mil for the gallery in July. They are four rockets and two spacecraft models.

    The rockets are the Long March 2F, Long March CZ-3A, Long March 5 and Long March 7 while the spacecraft models are the Chang’e 3 Lunar Lander and Yutu Lunar Rover.

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    This is an article in NASA Watch titled "Is It Time To Work With China In Space?"

    http://nasawatch.com/archives/2018/0...time-to-w.html

    China is getting ready to launch a new space station which, when complete, will be on par with Mir with many capabilities similar to those offered by the ISS. China is openly seeking governmental and commercial participation. Meanwhile they are about to land a rover on the far side of the Moon as part of a methodical plan to land humans there.

    Meanwhile NASA is trying to rid itself of the ISS through various half-hearted efforts to commercialize this amazing resource that rely on smoke and mirrors and faith-based funding plans. NASA is also puffing itself up again for the third time in less than 20 years to #GoBackToTheMoon or something with budgets that do not come close to making such a thing possible. Oh by the way #JourneyToMars is still on the books.

    One would think that the prudent thing would be to leverage our interests with those of China as we have done with Russia and many other nations around the world. But short-sighted legislation and targeted xenophobia currently prevents this.

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    In contrast to President Trump's call for the US to dominance the exploration of space, the Moon and Mars, China is welcoming all countries to join it in its exploration of space.

    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/201..._137268993.htm

    A Chinese envoy on Wednesday called for strengthening of outer space governance and cooperation in the international community's joint effort to build a shared future in space exploration.

    Shi Zhongjun, China's ambassador to the United Nations and other international organizations in Vienna, made the remarks at the UNISPACE+50 gathering, held to mark the 50th anniversary of the first United Nations Conference on the Exploration and Peaceful Uses of Outer Space.

    The Chinese envoy called for efforts to foster a sense of shared future to promote the sustainable development of outer space.
    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/201..._137265977.htm

    Cooperation between China and the UN Office for Outer Space Affairs (UNOOSA) is going from strength to strength, head of the office Simonetta Di Pippo said Tuesday.

    Di Pippo said China has not only made great achievements in outer space exploration and its related activities but also demonstrated its commitment to international cooperation in the peaceful uses of outer space.

    China plans to open up the China Space Station (CSS) to all the Member States of the United Nations with opportunities for flying their space experiments on board the Station.

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    https://news.usni.org/2018/06/11/lat...ense-companies

    From the Naval Institute.

    Another

    https://news.usni.org/2018/06/08/chi...actors-servers

    Sorry, I was starting to dislike the tone of this thread.
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    So technically China is very much NOT excluding us from their tech programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDon View Post
    https://news.usni.org/2018/06/11/lat...ense-companies

    From the Naval Institute.

    Another

    https://news.usni.org/2018/06/08/chi...actors-servers

    Sorry, I was starting to dislike the tone of this thread.
    BigDon all countries including the US spies on other countries including friendly countries. They then share it with their trusted commercial/military companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDon View Post
    So technically China is very much NOT excluding us from their tech programs.
    That applies to everything.

    You are the one who chose the inflammatory thread title and your comments imply nobler motives from China.

    This does not belong in a Space Exploration forum.

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    "SOME SCIENTISTS WORK WITH CHINA, BUT NASA WON'T"

    https://www.wired.com/story/some-sci...but-nasa-wont/

    Sylvestre is a planetary scientist at France’s Institute for Research and Planetary Astronomy, and deputy principal investigator for SuperCam. But he's an international collaborator: Over the years, he’s worked on missions to Saturn, the moon, and Mars with NASA colleagues. Sylvestre’s lab is currently building an instrument similar to SuperCam that will fly to Mercury on the European-Japanese BepiColombo mission, as well as one called Éclair that is part of a joint French-Chinese satellite. Notably, that makes him one of a small number of planetary scientists who are working with China to boost their science, while doing his best to keep Western technology from getting pilfered. It's a tightrope that not everyone is willing to walk.

    “We are careful what we are doing,” Sylvestre says. “We understand the security issues. We understand that we should be careful and not be too naïve. But at the same time I feel the idea of planetary exploration is for everyone."

    Working with both NASA and China may seem like a contradiction, or even a conflict. The two superpowers are butting heads on trade, military, and cybersecurity issues. Congress has banned NASA officials and NASA money from going to China. That might be because of a recent history of Chinese espionage targeting US military, aerospace, and technological secrets.

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    China is making headway in providing launch and satellite services to other nations.

    https://www.orfonline.org/research/c...atcom-markets/

    China is strategically capturing a major share of the international communications satellites market. This includes launching government satellites of developing countries in the Global South, such as Nigeria, Venezuela, Sri Lanka and Pakistan, some of whom have repeat orders in place. China has developed an ITAR-free (International Traffic in Arms Regulations) communications satellite bus known as Dong Fang Hong 4 (DFH-4) and uses its own launch vehicle Long March 3B (LM-3B) for executing these contracts. The China Great Wall Industry Corporation (CGWIC) is China’s government entity authorised to negotiate and execute these contracts.

    This report gathers information on the key elements of these contracts to provide a broad perspective on the developments so far. It makes an assessment of the rationale for acquiring satellites, the scope of their use, as well as the problems that have subsequently arisen. The relation between satellite contracts and China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is also examined.

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    China and the US working on additional areas they can work on without infringing the Wolf Amendment.

    https://spacenews.com/nasa-opens-doo...on-with-china/

    The administrator of NASA and his Chinese counterpart have both expressed interest in working together despite the current constraints in U.S. law regarding bilateral cooperation.
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    "ESA looking at deeper cooperation with China on Moon Village concept, human spaceflight"

    https://gbtimes.com/esa-looking-at-d...an-spaceflight

    The European Space Agency is working to further cooperation with China in areas including human spaceflight and lunar exploration, agency director general Johann-Dietrich Woerner said on Tuesday.

    Mr Woerner, who also went on to present matters related to the next ESA council, was speaking at an ESA press conference at the 69th International Astronautical Congress (IAC) in Bremen, Germany.

    Asked about developments in ESA's relationship with China in terms of human spaceflight, space science and lunar exploration, Mr Woerner responded with an overview of collaboration and an update on the Moon Village concept.
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