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    Thought of sharing this image I found at bloomberg
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    In other news, XCOR is bankrupt. Very bad news for those who paid $ 70k for a ticket.

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    " Hey , Bud ,........How'd ya like to buy.....( looks both ways...) " A ticket to Mars " .

    ( Kermit the Frog ) " A Ticket to Mars ? " .....

    " Well yeah, right, right... and it's only $ 70,000 !!! "

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    Quote Originally Posted by danscope View Post
    " Hey , Bud ,........How'd ya like to buy.....( looks both ways...) " A ticket to Mars " .

    ( Kermit the Frog ) " A Ticket to Mars ? " .....

    " Well yeah, right, right... and it's only $ 70,000 !!! "
    What about 900 empty jars of Burma-Shave?

    (Now, if we want to talk about unrealistic promises for commercial spaceflight, they were promising to send someone to Mars before a human had even been in space!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaiYeves View Post
    What about 900 empty jars of Burma-Shave?

    (Now, if we want to talk about unrealistic promises for commercial spaceflight, they were promising to send someone to Mars before a human had even been in space!)
    That's absolutely awesome!
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    From a time where people would meet each other halfway (well, not technically halfway, Mars is really far) instead of in court if a joke got too far. Now it'd likely be either a company doing something ridiculous like giving you a Mars bar, or the winner sueing for 180 million.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selvaarchi View Post
    Blue Origin on track for human suborbital test flights in 2017 Keeping figures crossed there will not be any more delays.
    It is about to start

    http://www.parabolicarc.com/2017/12/...d-flight-week/

    Blue Origin has issued a notice to airmen (NOTAM) for Dec. 11 through 14 (Monday through Thursday) covering its rocket test site near Van Horn, Texas.

    A source tells Parabolic Arc the company will be testing an upgraded version of its suborbital New Shepard booster and capsule with scientific experiments aboard. The spacecraft will have real windows (the ones on the previous capsule were painted on) but is not intended for human flight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selvaarchi View Post
    With a successful launch

    https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/12/...launch-landing

    Now, Blue Origin is flying a brand-new test vehicle — one that is closer to the final version of the rocket that will actually carry people to space. For instance, the capsule on this rocket actually has windows, whereas the windows on the last vehicle were just painted on. Also this test flight had a few experimental payloads on board as well as a dummy, which Blue Origin appropriately named Mannequin Skywalker. It seems to have survived the journey to space and back just fine.

    That means Blue Origin is likely getting closer to having people on board during its test flights. Blue Origin’s CEO Bob Smith said that the company is aiming to send its first customers to space in early in 2019 (though there is no word on ticket prices yet). Before customers fly, however, Blue Origin plans to do a series of flights with test pilots on board. Those could happen as early as next year, according to the company’s founder Jeff Bezos, though that’s still a little later than originally planned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selvaarchi View Post
    Now watch the video.

    http://mashable.com/2017/12/13/jeff-...1#4QMZ8wzhuqqw

    "Blue Origin launched and landed its rocket again, and it has a snazzy video to prove it"

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    Now watch the view from the space capsule.

    https://www.geekwire.com/2017/dummy-blue-origin/

    "What will people experience when they rocket to the edge of space on the New Shepard suborbital spaceship that’s currently being tested by Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin venture?

    An 11-minute video, recorded inside the crew capsule during this week’s test flight in West Texas, gives you a pretty good idea."

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    Blue Origin is hoping to start their crewed New Shepard flights in a year. Christmas in space in 2018 anyone.

    http://spacenews.com/blue-origin-a-y...epard-flights/

    After carrying out a successful test flight of a new version of its New Shepard suborbital spacecraft, a Blue Origin executive said Dec. 18 that the company was now about a year away from starting to fly people.

    Speaking at the Next-Generation Suborbital Researchers Conference (NSRC) here, Jeff Ashby, a former NASA astronaut who is director of safety and mission assurance for Blue Origin, said the Dec. 12 flight of the vehicle from Blue Origin’s test site in West Texas was a major milestone for the company.

    That flight featured both a new version of the cylindrical propulsion module as well as “Version 2.0” of its crew capsule, now outfitted with the large windows that are a distinctive feature of the spacecraft. The capsule carried 12 experiments as well as a test dummy, dubbed “Mannequin Skywalker,” to measure the environment a human would experience on those flights.

    The flight was the first in more than a year for New Shepard, after the final test flight in October 2016 of the previous version of the vehicle. “We learned a lot from it, which is why you saw the one-year hiatus before we began flying again,” Ashby said. That time allowed the company to make the vehicle more reliable and “human-capable,” he said.

    Besides being a successful demonstration of the new flight hardware, the test flight was the first performed under a launch license awarded by the Federal Aviation Administration in August. Previous test flights took place under an experimental permit, which is designed to streamline the regulatory process for suborbital vehicle testing but does not allow the vehicle to carry cargo for hire.

    “You have to be licensed in order to collect revenue,” Ashby said. “So last week was the start of a revolution. It was our first revenue flight for payloads: a huge, historic moment for us.”

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    My, those really ARE large windows.

    Launch acceleration in the video looks undramatic, but I expect that's misleading. Anyone know what G load they reach?
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    Quote Originally Posted by selvaarchi View Post
    USA rival to the Chinese private company is taking off in commercial loads to the stratosphere.

    http://tucson.com/business/world-vie...50994b923.html
    they have suffered a set back

    http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/3...arts-of-tucson

    A World View high-altitude balloon exploded Tuesday, shaking several neighborhoods near the Tucson International Airport

    The aerospace and space tourism company confirmed the incident and said no one was injured.

    Several Tucson News Now viewers reported hearing a loud boom, seeing white smoke and feeling the ground shake around 12:45 p.m.

    "Following the completion of a successful fill test on the launch pad, a significant balloon rupture occurred which was reportedly heard in the local area," World View said in a news release. "We have reached out to reassure our immediate neighbors. There were no injuries and only superficial facility damage at the site. The flight system itself was unaffected."

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    Now read Blue Origin blowing their own trumpet

    https://www.blueorigin.com/news/news...rd-new-shepard

    On Dec. 12, 2017, New Shepard flew again for the seventh time. Known as Mission 7 (M7), the flight featured our next-generation booster and the first flight of Crew Capsule 2.0. While our primary objective was to progress testing this new system for human spaceflight, we also achieved an exciting milestone with suborbital research in space by sending 12 commercial, research and education payloads under full FAA license for the first time. Payloads flying on New Shepard are doing important science and research onboard the 11-minute flight to space and back. During this flight, our customers get approximately three minutes in a high-quality microgravity environment, at an apogee around 100 kilometers, making New Shepard ideal for microgravity physics, gravitational biology, technology demonstrations, and educational programs.

    The combination of high altitude and low-gravity exposure provides an environment for a wide range of payloads ranging from basic and applied microgravity sciences to Earth and space science. Each of these domains has the opportunity to engage users ranging from universities to corporations. The rapid timelines and low costs of flight are also increasingly attracting educators and students of all ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selvaarchi View Post
    Although they suffered a setback, the company see a bright year ahead for them.

    http://spacenews.com/world-view-sees...test-incident/

    World View, a company offering stratospheric balloon flights for research payloads, sees a bright future ahead for a platform that it argues combines the best attributes of satellites and aircraft, despite a recent testing incident at its Arizona headquarters.

    Speaking at the Next-Generation Suborbital Researchers Conference here Dec. 18, Jane Poynter, chief executive of World View, said the company plans to increase the flight rate and duration of its “stratollite” balloons in the coming year.

    “This was a really seminal year for us in 2017,” she said. “We’re now in a high-tempo flight rate and really expanding the duration for our flights.”

    The company believes that its stratollites can loiter in the stratosphere for extended periods, providing persistence that aircraft cannot offer at costs much lower than satellites. Those flights have carried research payloads, including for NASA’s Flight Opportunities program, as well as commercial users, such as a summer 2017 flight that carried a chicken sandwich as publicity for a fast food restaurant chain.

    Poynter said the company plans more of the same, as well as additional applications of its balloons, in 2018. “Our manifest for 2018 is really full,” she said, but did not disclose the number of balloon flights planned.

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    Much more optimistic outlook for manned suborbital flights in the latest Space Review.

    http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3400/1

    For years, advocates of commercial human suborbital spaceflight have argued that a new era in commercial spaceflight was right around the corner. Vehicles carrying people, either for tourism or for research, would soon enter service, they claimed, opening up new markets. The problem, though, is such claims have been made for at least a decade: after all, when SpaceShipOne won the Ansari X PRIZE in 2004, Virgin Galactic said it would be flying vehicles based on its technology as soon as late 2007 or 2008.

    Perhaps now, though, such claims carry more weight. With both Blue Origin and Virgin Galactic making progress—if at times slow and uneven—on their vehicles, there’s optimism that the days of commercial human suborbital spaceflight may be soon at hand. For those interested in flying experiments, those days have already arrived.

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    Sierra Nevada Corporation's Dream Chaser has passed another NASA milestone.

    http://spacenews.com/sierra-nevada-c...est-milestone/

    Sierra Nevada Corporation (SNC) announced Jan. 5 that NASA has confirmed that the company’s Dream Chaser vehicle passed a key milestone during its November free flight test.

    In a statement, SNC said that NASA concluded that the Nov. 11 free flight of the Dream Chaser engineering test article, at Edwards Air Force Base in California, met or exceeded all the requirements of the company’s last remaining funded milestone in its Commercial Crew Integrated Capability (CCiCap) award from 2012.

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    Yet another American commercial in the news for all the right reasons

    http://www.kob.com/new-mexico-news/v...light/4739902/

    A big step in the direction toward flights coming out of Spaceport America today as Virgin Galactic tested its SpaceShip Two.

    SpaceShip Two is set to launch out of Spaceport America in the hopeful near future. The reusable, winged spacecraft is designed to carry as many as eight people into space.

    Today's test flight in Mojave, California, was a smooth one, with a safe landing on what was its 11th test flight.
    Here is more information on the test flight. It hit Mach 0.9 in the test

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/spac...wo-glide-test/

    Virgin Galactic's second SpaceShipTwo model, the VSS Unity built by Scaled Composites, was dropped from the carrier aircraft WhiteKnightTwo at 50,000 feet for its seventh glide test today. Virgin will review data from the flight, but the company is hopeful that this will be the VSS Unity's last glide test before the first powered flight with its hybrid rocket engine.

    The flight saw the pilots put VSS Unity into a dive immediately after being released from the mothership, hitting Mach 0.9 in the spaceplane, about as fast as the craft can go without firing up its engine. The transonic test flight was piloted by Mark ‘Forger’ Stucky and Michael ‘Sooch’ Masucci.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selvaarchi View Post
    Sierra Nevada Corporation's Dream Chaser has passed another NASA milestone.

    http://spacenews.com/sierra-nevada-c...est-milestone/
    Isn't Dream Chaser an orbital, rather than sub-orbital, vehicle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
    Isn't Dream Chaser an orbital, rather than sub-orbital, vehicle?
    You are correct. Sorry I reported it under the wrong thread.

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    This is an American company, EXOS Aerospace Systems and Technologies, Inc, that is developing rockets for suborbital flights that I had not heard off. They might be in a position to launch sometime this year. Wishing them success.

    http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Te...ocket_999.html

    Spaceport America, America's first purpose-built commercial spaceport, and EXOS Aerospace Systems and Technologies, Inc., a leading developer of suborbital reusable space launch vehicles based in Caddo Mills, Texas, announce significant progress towards launch of their newest vehicle, the Suborbital Active Rocket with GuidancE, or SARGE.

    EXOS has completed the design and build of their latest platform and completed a fully integrated hot fire testing in December. Additionally EXOS Aerospace is expecting the FAA/AST launch license determination by Feb 14th 2018. The testing and license progress marks major milestones achieved.

    The recent acceptance testing connected all systems required for flight, and in full launch operations, fired the rocket engine using steel cables to hold the rocket to the test pad. The engine produced about 5500 lbs. of thrust. The EXOS test and evaluation process validates the full integration of hardware, software and human procedural interface from one test facility.

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    Blue Origin had a successful launch of their 1st commercial suborbital flight Hopefully humans will follow soon.

    https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2018...cial-payloads/

    Blue Origin returned to its New Shepard test flight campaign on Sunday with its eighth flight of its reusable rocket. The short hop will include numerous payloads, which launched in the capsule section from Blue Origin’s test site in West Texas. Launch occurred around 17:07 UTC after some slight delays due to local thunderstorms and numerous holds during the latter part of the countdown.

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    Will Blue Origin be the 1st to send paying customers on suborbital flights? They are talking of selling tickets next year.

    http://spacenews.com/blue-origin-pla...-spaceflights/

    Blue Origin expects to start flying people on its New Shepard suborbital vehicle “soon” and start selling tickets for commercial flights next year, a company executive said June 19.

    Speaking at the Amazon Web Services Public Sector Summit here, Blue Origin Senior Vice President Rob Meyerson offered a few updates on the development of the company’s suborbital vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selvaarchi View Post
    Will Blue Origin be the 1st to send paying customers on suborbital flights? They are talking of selling tickets next year.

    http://spacenews.com/blue-origin-pla...-spaceflights/
    I could be wrong as there looks like there is a race between Blue Origin and Virgin Galactic to see who is first!

    http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Fi..._2019_999.html

    The two companies leading the pack in the pursuit of space tourism say they are just months away from their first out-of-this-world passenger flights -- though neither has set a firm date.

    Virgin Galactic, founded by British billionaire Richard Branson, and Blue Origin, by Amazon creator Jeff Bezos, are racing to be the first to finish their tests -- with both companies using radically different technology.

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    Only 15 mins for Blue Origin's 9th flight.

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    Well done Blue Origin. That looked like a successful mission. Congratulations.

    https://spaceflightnow.com/2018/07/1...ard-mission-9/

    Blue Origin’s suborbital New Shepard booster launched Wednesday on an uncrewed test flight, sending a capsule on a brief jaunt into space over West Texas to demonstrate a key safety feature for space tourists and scientists riding on the company’s future rockets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selvaarchi View Post
    Well done Blue Origin. That looked like a successful mission. Congratulations.

    https://spaceflightnow.com/2018/07/1...ard-mission-9/
    I was a little surprised that they disconnected the capsule and waited for a while before activating the escape system.

    Not quite realistic, but “one step at a time,“ I guess.


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    The next launch of New Shepard will feature "“finished customer interiors” like those that will be used on commercial flights of the vehicle, intended to carry up to six people." a step closer to sending humans.

    https://spacenews.com/blue-origin-su...hepard-launch/

    This launch was the ninth for the New Shepard program, and the third for this particular combination of crew capsule and propulsion module. The next flight, Cornell said, will feature “finished customer interiors” like those that will be used on commercial flights of the vehicle, intended to carry up to six people.

    Blue Origin has provided only vague schedules about when human flights would begin, with company officials saying recently they anticipated starting to fly humans on test flights by the end of this year. The company has yet to start selling tickets for the vehicle and has not established an official price for those flights.

    Cornell didn’t offer a timetable for crewed flights beyond “soon” during the webcast but said they could begin “after a couple more tests.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Extravoice View Post
    I was a little surprised that they disconnected the capsule and waited for a while before activating the escape system.

    Not quite realistic, but “one step at a time,“ I guess.


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    They did one right off the booster a while back. This was to test the escape rocket at max altitude, I think.
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    Virgin Galactic has had another successful outing. Now I do see a race between Virgin Galactic and Blue Origin as to who will take the first paying customer on a suborbital flight

    https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/26/1...t-spaceshiptwo

    This morning, space tourism venture Virgin Galactic successfully flew its spaceplane during another powered flight test over the Mojave desert — sending the vehicle to its highest altitude yet. It marks the third time the vehicle, the VSS Unity, has ignited its engine during flight. It’s another successful test among the many that Virgin Galactic plans to do before people start flying for the first time

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