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    China aims to have a rover on Mars by 2020

    China has ambitious plans to touch down on Mars by 2020, likely with a rover, and to collect its own samples from the red planet 10 years after that, a top aerospace scientist has revealed.

    http://m.scmp.com/news/china/article...thin-six-years

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    China has not given up its ambition to explore Mars. They are researching the technical feasibility of exploring Mars and asteroids.

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20..._134034500.htm

    Ye Peijian, from the China Academy of Space Technology and chief scientist with the country's lunar probe mission, said Chinese space researchers had tackled some of the technical difficulties associated with the exploration of Mars and asteroids.

    However, he added, the projects are only at the technical preparation stage, which suggests that it will be some time before an official project is announced.

    Ye is an vocal advocate for a China Mars mission. If the project was given the green light, he said, the probe should orbit, land, and explore the surface of Mars all in one mission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selvaarchi View Post
    China has not given up its ambition to explore Mars. They are researching the technical feasibility of exploring Mars and asteroids.
    That article sounds less hopeful than the previous one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEOWatcher View Post
    That article sounds less hopeful than the previous one.
    The sample return would only happen in 2030 in the first case. Looks like it might be much sooner in the second case as it will be done on the 1st flight to Mars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selvaarchi View Post
    The sample return would only happen in 2030 in the first case. Looks like it might be much sooner in the second case as it will be done on the 1st flight to Mars.
    I saw nothing in the second article that said anything about a sample return. It didn't even mention sample collection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEOWatcher View Post
    I saw nothing in the second article that said anything about a sample return. It didn't even mention sample collection.
    Ye is an vocal advocate for a China Mars mission. If the project was given the green light, he said, the probe should orbit, land, and explore the surface of Mars all in one mission.

    But I included the sample return to do all with one mission - they would have done that on the moon by then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selvaarchi View Post
    If the project was given the green light, he said, the probe should orbit, land, and explore the surface of Mars all in one mission.
    I read that, why are you repeating it? They previously announced a rover. That's what rovers do.

    Quote Originally Posted by selvaarchi View Post
    But I included the sample return to do all with one mission
    But you didn't say it was your opinion, nor did you back that opinion up with why.
    You said it was the second case, eluding to the fact that it was in the article. It is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEOWatcher View Post
    But you didn't say it was your opinion, nor did you back that opinion up with why.
    You said it was the second case, eluding to the fact that it was in the article. It is not.
    that was what my mind interpreted when reading "all in one mission".

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    So when are we going to need traffic laws of Mars?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDon View Post
    So when are we going to need traffic laws of Mars?
    Early 2020s - China, India, Europe and Russia will be gatecrashing NASA's party on Mars on their current plans.
    Last edited by selvaarchi; 2015-Mar-03 at 11:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selvaarchi View Post
    Early 2020s - China, India, Europe and Russia will be gatecrashing NASA's party on Mars on their current plans.
    Actually, NASA Vikings already gatecrashed on Russia (USSR). England just opened the gate and crashed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEOWatcher View Post
    Actually, NASA Vikings already gatecrashed on Russia (USSR). England just opened the gate and crashed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selvaarchi View Post
    China has ambitious plans to touch down on Mars by 2020, likely with a rover, and to collect its own samples from the red planet 10 years after that, a top aerospace scientist has revealed.
    China has not given up on its ambition to send an orbiter and rover to the red planet by 2020. Not much more information then that other then a scale model of the rover will be exhibited at the 17th China International Industry Fair opening today in Shanghai (hopefully we might get some photos).

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20..._134776325.htm

    A model of China's Martian probe will debut at China International Industry Fair, it was announced Monday.

    The 17th China International Industry Fair will open on Tuesday in Shanghai, lasting until Saturday. The golden model, which is a third of its real size, has been given pride of place at China's Aerospace Science and Technology Corp.'s exhibition stand.

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    A model of China's self-developed Mars probe at the 17th China International Industry Fair at National Exhibition and Convention Center on November 3, 2015 in Shanghai, China.

    http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/...hoto/495449794

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    This Chinese Mars probe scheduled for launch in 2020 looks nothing like the previously mentioned Chinese Mars probe scheduled for launch in 2020: See Video in article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squink View Post
    This Chinese Mars probe scheduled for launch in 2020 looks nothing like the previously mentioned Chinese Mars probe scheduled for launch in 2020: See Video in article.
    There have been at least 2 versions of the rover that I know off. I expect to see more changes by the time it is launched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squink View Post
    This Chinese Mars probe scheduled for launch in 2020 looks nothing like the previously mentioned Chinese Mars probe scheduled for launch in 2020: See Video in article.
    That was when they were going to do it in 2 stages. 1st an orbiter to look for a suitable landing site. Than a lander. Now they are combining both into one mission and there by achieving a feat no other country has.

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    More details are emerging on what their mission to Mars in 2020 will do. It is interesting to note that they are also looking at international partners for the mission.

    http://gbtimes.com/china/china-racin...ch-window-mars

    Wu, speaking to gbtimes about China's space science ambitions, revealed that the orbiter will have on board space particle detectors and cameras capable of detecting methane – the presence of which may indicate biological processes occurring on Mars.

    The orbiter will also have radar sensor equipment allowing it to observe the Martian surface and ionosphere.

    Down on the surface the rover will carry a ground-penetrating radar that could reveal a lot about the past and present of Mars.

    The same instrument allowed China’s Yutu rover to image around 400m below the lunar surface, making intriguing discoveries about the composition and history of the Moon, such as evidence of volcanic floods.

    Other scientific payloads will include particle detectors to measure radiation and may involve international cooperation.

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    China add some details on their Mars mission in 2020.

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20..._135209176.htm

    In an exclusive interview, Jia Yang, deputy chief designer of the Chang'e-3 lunar probe, tells Xinhua the Mars rover will have a better autonomous capability as Mars is much further away than the moon. The distance between Mars and Earth ranges from 55 million kilometers to 400 million kilometers.

    "The Mars rover should be able to sense the environment, plan its route, conduct scientific exploration and detect faults autonomously. It should be a mobile intelligence," Jia says.

    Two-way signal transmissions between Mars and the Earth could be as long as 40 minutes. So most of the time, the rover will deal with things on its own. Ground controllers will solve the complicated problems, Jia says.

    Chinese space experts say they still face a lot of technological hurdles in developing the Mars rover, which should be stronger than the lunar rover Yutu.

    Since Mars is further from the sun than the Earth's moon, its solar panels should be as large as possible to generate more electricity, Jia says.

    "Although the temperature change on Mars is less drastic than that on the moon, the Mars rover still needs an 'overcoat' to keep warm," Jia says.

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    China will be incorporating a lot of what they do on the moon missions into the Mars mission. For example "a teleoperation platform will be developed, which will not only pave the way to landing on the far side of the moon, but also to landing on Mars and other extraterrestrial bodies".

    The last sentence gives us an indication on how they see themselves with respect to the US in space exploration. It also hints where they think India and Japan are.

    http://www.ecns.cn/2016/04-14/206598.shtml

    U.S. dominance

    While the U.S. leads the way in Mars exploration, the European Union, Russia and China sit in the second echelon, given that their three space agencies do not yet have enough financing in place to support the programs, the anonymous expert noted.

    "Unlike manned spacecraft and moon probes, China has not drawn up a specific agenda for Mars exploration," the expert said, adding that the country's technology remains over a decade behind that of the U.S.

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    Great, more alien artifacts.

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    As part of the National Space Day celebrations the Chinese government has formally endorsed the Mars mission.
    Last edited by selvaarchi; 2016-Apr-22 at 10:55 AM.

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    Only piece of extra information in this report is the general area the lander will land "the latitude of the best landing place ranges from 5 NL to 30 NL".

    Does anyone know if any of the Russian or American landers/rovers is in the area covered. Oh, I should add the British lander (Beagle) to the list as well

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20..._135304660.htm

    "Although we are not the first Asian nation to send a probe to Mars, we want to start at a higher level," said Ye. "It is only when China gets to Mars that we really enter the age of deep-space exploration,"

    According to Sun, the mission will focus on exploring planet's overall environment.

    "One step at a time," he said. "Complicated objectives like looking for extra-terrestrial life are not included in our plans this time."

    Sun also gave a clue to the specific landing place. "Considering all factors including land forms, light, temperature etc., the latitude of the best landing place ranges from 5 NL to 30 NL," he said.

    "As China continues further and further into deep space, it will play a bigger role in solving key frontier scientific questions," Sun added.

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    TAG Heuer has tied up with China for China's Mars mission.

    http://www.tagheuer.com/int-en/news/...with-tag-heuer

    History of spaceflight became part of human achievement in the 20th century following theoretical and practical breakthroughs. China has emerged with a significant spaceflight capability, including manned missions.

    China’s Mars Exploration Program is now officially on time with TAG Heuer, kicking off with its global solicitation for program logo design and the unveiling of the exterior design of the long-awaited, first-ever Mars rover of China.

    Today at the press conference, in the presence of Jean-Claude Biver, TAG Heuer CEO and President of the LVMH Watch Division, with the Director of the lunar exploration program and space engineering center under the State Administration of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense, Mr. Jizhong Liu and the Chief Designer of The Mars Exploration Mission, Mr Rongqiao Zhang, TAG Heuer is honored to become the partner of this global solicitation event, demonstrating TAG Heuer’s full support towards the China’s Mars Exploration Program.

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    China successfully tests supersonic parachute for 2021 Mars landing

    http://gbtimes.com/china/china-tests...1-mars-landing

    China recently tested an experimental supersonic, low density parachute, launching it into the upper layers of Earth’s atmosphere to substitute for Martian conditions.

    According to reports, the scale parachute entered designated closed airspace thanks to a Tianying sounding rocket, before proving its technology and performance at altitudes between 33-50 kilometres.

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    Now the US says that China managed to advance so rapidly in their Mars mission is because of a Chinese spy.

    http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/1...firms-role.htm

    The extremely bold goals of China's first mission to Mars will see a lander touch down on the Red Planet and return samples to Earth -- a feat no country has ever successfully achieved.

    That China has the gall to attempt an almost impossible goal for its maiden Mars mission confirms the key role played by Chinese spy Rongxing Li in fast tracking China's Mars exploration program.

    Li, an esteemed and world famous NASA scientist, disappeared in September 2015 taking with him invaluable NASA secrets about its Mars program.

    Li, 57, returned to China and while nothing much has been heard from him since he vanished, the incredible strides taken by China's Mars program indicates his key role in this quest.

    Li was praised as a genius for his work in numerous NASA projects. These included the 2003 Mars Exploration Rover mission and the 2009 lunar orbiter currently orbiting the moon. He was participating scientist on both missions.

    A world renowned specialist in geospatial information, remote sensing and photogammetry, Li's work at universities in the U.S., China and Canada led to decades of critical acclaim.

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    China had a naming contest for their Mars 2020 mission. They got over 3500 names and have shortlisted 8 for the public to vote for their choice.

    https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showthr...ighlight=china

    China has revealed a shortlist of names and logos submitted for its ambitious first mission to Mars, set to launch in 2020, with the public set to vote for the winners.

    The project will be China's first independent interplanetary mission and will attempt to put a probe in orbit around the Red Planet and place a lander and rover on the Martian surface at the same time.

    A public call for suggestions for names and logos for the mission was hosted by the China National Space Administration (CNSA) and Chinese Lunar and Deep Space Exploration websites. The contest generated a large response, with the selected finalists drawing heavily on Chinese mythology.

    "We have collected over 35,000 names and over 7,000 logos for the project. Their design covers a wide area, including the humanistic spirit, the exploration spirit, and the culture of the Chinese nation," Liu Jizhong, deputy chief commander of China's first Mars exploration project, told China Central Television (CCTV).

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    Quote Originally Posted by selvaarchi View Post
    China had a naming contest for their Mars 2020 mission. They got over 3500 names and have shortlisted 8 for the public to vote for their choice.

    https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showthr...ighlight=china
    Just realised that I put in the wrong link in the above post. Sorry.

    To make up, providing a link to the 8 names chosen.

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20..._136019570.htm

    "China has released a short list of eight names for the country's first Mars spacecraft, which is scheduled to launch by 2020.

    The eight names-- "Fenghuang" (phoenix), "Tianwen" (questions for heaven), "Huoxing" (Mars), "Tenglong" (soaring dragon), "Qilin" (Kylin), "Zhuque" (rose finch), "Zhuimeng" (chasing dreams) and "Fengxiang" (flying phoenix), were the top names chosen from over 14,500 choices submitted through more than 35,900 proposals entered by people worldwide."

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    Here is what their CZ-9 may look like--and it looks like they are working on a LEM

    https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/in...opic=20342.180

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    China is busy building a model prototype of China's first Mars probe.

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20..._136094762.htm

    A model prototype of China's first Mars probe is under development as the country plans to launch the probe around the summer of 2020, a leading Chinese aerospace expert told Xinhua on Wednesday.

    "The probe will be launched at the Wenchang Space Launch Center in China's southern Hainan Province," said Ye Peijian, a consultant to the program undertaken by the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation.

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