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    Soyuz Replacement

    There has been mention of the Soyuz replacement on other threads, but here's one dedicated to it.

    Here's some articles as it came out:
    (Oct'13) Mockup Tested.
    (Dec'14) It's reusable. First manned launch in 2024.
    (Aug'15 Set for launch in 2021. (with pictures, looks like Dragon)
    (Sep'15), currently ahead of schedule. Launch 2021, prototype 2019.

    There doesn't seem to be a clear name for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEOWatcher View Post
    There doesn't seem to be a clear name for it.
    After a few other references with more clear context, I found the official name.

    Pilotiruemyi Transportny Korabl Novogo Pokoleniya (PTK NP) meaning New Generation Piloted Transport Ship

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    I'm going to miss Soyuz.

    Cramped yes--a bit funny with the thermal insulation--making it quilted.

    Yet that bug/klingon exterior--that rocked.

    The Apollo CSM was much better as a craft--but it was really just a cone in front--a cone in back--and one of those wide restroom toilet paper cores in between.

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    Found this article on PTK NP. Surprised to read it started off as a joint project with Europe after the US announced its intention to withdraw from the International Space Station program in the beginning of 2004. The next article is on the new docking port it will be using.

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/ptk-docking-port.html

    Unlike the Soyuz, where the docking port is discarded and burns up in the atmosphere along with the habitation module of the spacecraft at the end of each mission, the new-generation PTK spacecraft will carry its docking mechanism on the descent vehicle, VA, which was designed for at least 10 flights. As a result, the new version of the veteran drogue-and-cone mechanism would have to be certified to endure the reentry into the Earth's atmosphere with a second cosmic speed upon the return from lunar missions with the rest of PTK's descent vehicle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selvaarchi View Post
    ... the US announced its intention to withdraw from the International Space Station program in the beginning of 2004.
    Not exactly a withdrawal. The Vision for Space Exploration allowed for completion of the U.S. obligations. It just wasn't going to renew it. The expected lifespan of ISS was 15 years which would bring it to 2013, and VSE extended that to 2017.
    I think the real push was the plan to stop the Shuttle. With Soyuz as the only transportation, it gave ESA an incentive to come up with other options.

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    it is going to have a good docking port
    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/ptk-docking-port.html

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    Although when NEOWatcher created this thread he was only thinking of the manned capsule of the rocket, I have decided to hijack it and include the whole rocket.

    Russia surprises once again. Just when we thought the Angara series of rockets will the future for Russia, they come out with the Soyuz-5 family of rockets.

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/soyuz5.html

    Soyuz-5 could eventually replace current rockets in the Soyuz family capable of delivering up to eight tons of payload to the low Earth orbit. Moreover, follow-on variants could carry 16 tons, thus replacing Zenit, and 25 tons, matching Proton in the current Russian fleet. Farther into the future, Soyuz-5 could pave the way to heavy and super-heavy rockets, as well as to low-cost reusable space boosters.

    As of 2015, the price tag for a single launch of the Soyuz-5.1 variant, including the Fregat upper stage, was expected to be as low as $50 million to match or even outcompete the US Falcon rocket series on the international market.

    However the Soyuz-5 rocket, which is still on the drawing board, overlaps the capabilities of the new-generation Angara family, which reached the launch pad in 2014. Still, engineers at TsSKB Progress were banking on the fact that a slowly emerging propulsion technology relying on methane would justify the development of at least an experimental rocket to prove the viability of the new fuel for future space launchers. Under such a scenario, the Soyuz-5 could serve as a precursor to a reusable booster stage in the next-generation space transportation system.

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    So it gets a new name: Federatsiya
    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/ptk-2015.html#name

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    The Russian's claim they new manned capsule will cost 3 and a half times less then SpaceX

    https://www.rt.com/news/329949-feder...heaper-dragon/

    Russia intends to spend three and a half times less than NASA on a new-generation manned spacecraft designed to replace the Soyuz family. The craft will rival the Dragon 2 being developed by America’s SpaceX corporation.

    According to the new budget being requested by Roscosmos from the Russian government, the construction of the “Federation” reusable piloted spacecraft will cost 58 billion rubles (US$734 million) over the next six years.

    The sum requested is 3.5 times less than what NASA is spending to develop its SpaceX Dragon 2 delivery vehicle, which was allocated $2.6 billion in 2014. In fact, the new research and development budget runs 8 billion rubles ($101 million) less than was planned last year.

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    I've seen the new fold flat consoles that are to replace the older electronics used--

    New: http://up-ship.com/blog/?p=29250
    Old: http://viking.coe.uh.edu/~gkitmacher...s/cockpits.pdf


    I really don't like that.

    In the past Russian designs focused on durability:
    http://www.theguardian.com/artanddes...-soviet-design

    Orion will still have some hardy electronics in addition to touch screens.

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    Just as we thought Russian space program will slow down due to financial problems the apposite is happening. They just ran the first test of next-generation “Federation” manned spacecraft. To top that they also have plans to use it to send crews regularly to the moon stating in 2025.

    http://www.spaceflightinsider.com/or...starting-2025/

    The planned missions would be launched into space by Angara-A5P rockets. These 700-metric-ton boosters are currently being designed to launch Russian-crewed endeavors beyond Earth’s orbit. The Angara-A5P rocket would be a powerful launcher, capable of lifting up to 18 metric tons into low-Earth orbit (LEO).

    Before Russia starts sending regular missions to Earth’s nearest celestial neighbor, it will need to conduct three test flights of the Federation spacecraft first. In 2021, an uncrewed launch from the new Vostochny Cosmodrome in the Far Eastern Amur region is planned to take place. Two years later, one uncrewed mission, as well as one crewed test mission, will be carried out.

    The Federation spacecraft, which is being developed by RKK Energia, is expected to be finished in 2021. The company has just started the first tests of the vehicle as the spacecraft’s crew-machine interface elements were successfully examined on a unique ergonomic simulator in May of this year (2016). Launch, insertion, autonomous flight, and docking processes were checked out during these tests. The engineers also examined the flight phase toward an orbiting space station as well as circumlunar trajectories.

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    At least some PROGRESS is being made.

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    Now there is talk of the Progress cargo ship replacement.

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/tgk-pg.html

    In August 2016, RKK Energia completed the preliminary design of a new cargo ship, which would take full advantage of the payload capacity of the Soyuz-2-1b rocket, delivering around 8.2 tons to the low Earth orbit or nearly a ton more than the mass of the Progress cargo ship series launched on previous versions of the Soyuz rockets.

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    What with the recent Falcon9 explosion, we may need the Soyuz longer than planned, although I don't know if the crewed F9 uses the same upper stage.
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    I think so.

    Here is what the F9 upper stage looks like in a non-exploded view:
    http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/ind...740#msg1578740

    That might be a version 1 however.

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    Federation spaceship 1st test flight will be in 2021 and manned flight in 2013.

    Looks like it will be a close fight between China, Russia and NASA, as to who will be 1st to test their new manned capsule capable of going to BEO.

    http://www.spaceflightinsider.com/or...on-spacecraft/

    The head of the Roscosmos State Corporation recently confirmed the first test flight of Russia’s next-generation spacecraft, Federation, will take place in 2021. The spacecraft’s maiden orbital mission will launch without a crew from the Vostochny Cosmodrome in the country’s Far East.

    “The first launch of an unmanned version is planned in 2021,” Igor Komarov, the Director of Roscosmos, said during a meeting dedicated to the construction of Vostochny.

    Currently under development by RKK Energia, the Federation spacecraft is planned to by completed by 2021. Besides the first test flight, one uncrewed mission and one test mission of a crewed variant of the vehicle are scheduled for 2023.
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    More information of the propulsion module for Federatsiya.

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/ptk-do.html

    The expendable propulsion module, known in Russian as Dvigatelny Otsek or DO, of the PTK spacecraft was designed to accommodate the ship's propulsion system, including a dual main engine and eight clusters of attitude control and orientation engines, DPOs, distributed around the module. Four clusters will be located in the front of the module, including a pair containing six engines each, and another two groups with five engines. Four more pairs of engines will be located on the aft bulkhead of the module.

    On its exterior, the DO module will carry a pair of deployable solar panels, the main communications antenna capable of maintaining link with ground control at lunar distances, the main rendezvous antenna of the Kurs-NA system, star trackers and other sensors of the flight control and navigation system.

    Various avionics and power batteries will be located inside the DO module along with the tanks of the propulsion system. A special detachable umbilical mast will connect key systems of the DO module and the Return Vehicle, VA, carrying the crew. During the launch and the ascent to orbit, the DO module will be protected by a payload fairing, which will split into four parts and fall away above the dense atmosphere.

    The DO and VA modules will remain connected during the most of the flight separating only during the final reentry into the Earth's atmosphere at the end of the mission. The DO module will then burn up over a remote part of the ocean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selvaarchi View Post
    Federation spaceship 1st test flight will be in 2021 and manned flight in 2013.

    Looks like it will be a close fight between China, Russia and NASA, as to who will be 1st to test their new manned capsule capable of going to BEO.

    http://www.spaceflightinsider.com/or...on-spacecraft/
    It has now slipped one year to 2022. Also the rocket it will ride on will not be the new Angara rocket but another one that is being developed.

    http://tass.com/science/947990

    "Roskosmos plans rescheduling the first launch of the Federatsiya crewed spacecraft from 2021 to 2022 and to make it from Baikonur on the Feniks new middle-class carrier, sources at the space sector told TASS on Saturday.
    Formerly, the first launch was planned for 2021 from the Vostochnyi pad on the Angara class carrier.
    "Roskosmos suggests reviewing the plans to launch the Federatsiya crewed spacecraft and to relocate the launch to the Baikonur port. The launch will be made on a new carrier of the middle class, which is being made now under the Feniks project. This project will be implemented in the framework of the Bayterek complex. This would not require major changes to the spacecraft, as the new carrier would be using RD-170M forced engines, and the tests of this complex are planned for 2022," the source said."

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    A recent Soyuz launch started a fire:
    http://www.parabolicarc.com/2017/06/...yuz-drop-zone/

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    Federatsiya has started aerodynamic testing.

    https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2018...itial-testing/

    The Russian Federatsiya project – which is preparing the path for the launch of a new crewed spacecraft – passed a major milestone when it recently entered aerodynamic testing. The tests involved a model of the future spaceship and its Launch Abort System (LAS) fitted with numerous pressure sensors. Another milestone was achieved when work on the interior of the spacecraft was conducted, as noted by Roscosmos in recent days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by publiusr View Post
    What news? I do not have access.

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