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    Moon's automatic investments as key for spaceexplorations and technological new age

    What do you think about remote controlled, automated mega investments on Moon from moon's resources and energii-solar-resorces, as good way for experiments and developing new more autonomous technology, that could be use further in macrocosm and microcosm ( microrobots in medicine) investments as well?
    This could be like building, starting new civilisations, new live ( robotic), technological mega investments - almost without using of earth resources -accelerators of science and economically development. By the way that can give more realistic chance for effective moon and space populating.

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    Well, it's going to be mega expensive. How do you propose to finance this?

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    These investments have self-perpetuating nature of a domino effect with geometric pace of development. Just send a few moon probes with the first teams of robots as kind of automatic mine and factory partly remotely guided from earth. The investments method would duplicate on the principle of biological cells development.
    These investments were to be for development of spacecrafts, bases and urban space industry, at the beginning just for fun and games! ( ghost mega towns!), and further for development, where everyone could eventually take part by help of phone applications and worked out of system telecommunications with moon- just one second light distance.
    This is the new age technology, which can also be used in other mega projects and … medicine for massive development of building micro robots, that could regenerate ours bodies .
    Of course, this method requires intensive development , as it was with the idea of the first bulb by Edison’s searching groups .
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    Sorry, I not responded yet fully to the economic issues of self propelling investments on the moon.
    But now I try to do it.
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    - They proposed investments would be cheaper and safer than the preliminary sending people to the moon - so first after few years of such investments when it accelerates until the “red” level - at least a few percent of the moon above and below its surface should be built - could be ready to safety and comfortably welcome much larger group of people( but in earlier stage mice or rats).
    Besides, after the initial investment costs, would continue autarkic nature of the economy in relation to the earth, they themselves continue raced to a track independent economically while fostering the development of our technological civilization on earth and throughout the universe.
    Investments in automatic - self (as some computer programs - space, too) development of infrastructure on the moon to influence on the development of automation technology in other areas which would be cheaper as opposed to most manufacturing productions of today. So really by using the new age technology only now we have a chance to came out of stone age of producing today by manufacturing methods almost everything including rockets !!
    The proposed technology of automatic exponentially development is the new age technology, which will allow us to finally escape from expensive economically and ecologically manufacturing’s Stone Age.
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    Countries and foundations gladly would promote economic development of aerospace technology for the development also in case of medicine and improvement of environmental conditions on earth for example, for such as mega auto investment as-
    automatic expanding power plants construction for solar energy, a desert for example. Sahara (the half moon area) or, for example desert Deccan - Proposed a joint program of Pakistan and India. Automated factories will use solar power plants for cleaning air from carbon dioxide and special spraying - from mini drones produced too) powdered sand at high layers of the atmosphere in order to reduce the temperature of the Earth's climate.

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    The automatic moon proposal should start as training,experimental zones on earth.
    Even small countries, enough big technical, medical universities, institutes of physics and chemistry, also any relevant foundations, societies,organizations and private companies could start right now construct, build and develop in special dedicated closed,tollfree, taxfree, peoplefree, interantional zones ( so like small moons bases on earth - the zones shall be at least 10 km2 full ecologically of solarenergii equipment development and so on) - first here on earth!!!- of incubators , accelerators of self replicating and remote controlled self developing bases of robots and plants of robots and towns, as great reproductive cell – and so long the earth’s robots towns for training and also play, can be first steps of effective progress of MOONNOW project. We should just not forget most important rule of the project- NO HANDS IN THE CLOSED ZONES ON EARTH, MOON AND BEYOND - only full automated ( developing in size, quality and quantity), eventually remote controlled system. At start could be hard, frustrating and not so effective like by constructing first cars, that were slower than horses over 100 years ago. Most important issues of these zones is , that enough of all should be just existing of these zones, the rests will do natural instinct and endouver of individuals and social, scientific or economic organizations. What do You think about showed here new way to revitalize technological development on earth and beyond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Mendenhall View Post
    Well, it's going to be mega expensive. How do you propose to finance this?
    Turn it into a reality type TV show or start a lottery. If that fails, a lamgington drive is always possible as a back up.

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    No manufacturing any more!

    Quote Originally Posted by Canis Lupus View Post
    Turn it into a reality type TV show or start a lottery. If that fails, a lamgington drive is always possible as a back up.
    I think monkey shall finally get a stick to rich higher his banana and higher stage of evolution

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    We don't need to use one cent to allow for the investment on designed free peoples zones. The economy and evolution of monkey, that.get stick to training for get more bananas - go to higher stage of evolution and development - do the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonnow View Post
    These investments have self-perpetuating nature of a domino effect with geometric pace of development. Just send a few moon probes with the first teams of robots as kind of automatic mine and factory partly remotely guided from earth. The investments method would duplicate on the principle of biological cells development.
    These investments were to be for development of spacecrafts, bases and urban space industry, at the beginning just for fun and games! ( ghost mega towns!), and further for development, where everyone could eventually take part by help of phone applications and worked out of system telecommunications with moon- just one second light distance.
    This is the new age technology, which can also be used in other mega projects and … medicine for massive development of building micro robots, that could regenerate ours bodies .
    Of course, this method requires intensive development , as it was with the idea of the first bulb by Edison’s searching groups .
    My birth language is English. I have an MS. I've worked in industry -- aerospace and software development -- for nearly 40 years.

    I have absolutely no idea of what you mean by this "investment nature." Detail this -- for a person who thinks that much of the current investment system is fueled by hallucinogens -- just how this will actually work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonnow View Post
    Proposed a joint program of Pakistan and India. Automated factories will use solar power plants for cleaning air from carbon dioxide and special spraying - from mini drones produced too) powdered sand at high layers of the atmosphere in order to reduce the temperature of the Earth's climate.
    I am quite sure the unemployed masses of India and Pakistan would love being driven off the land for automated factories to be built and also the conspiracy theorists would be over-joyed having drones dumping materials into the upper atmosphere for the good of us all.
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    autarkic economically automation

    Quote Originally Posted by swampyankee View Post
    My birth language is English. I have an MS. I've worked in industry -- aerospace and software development -- for nearly 40 years.

    I have absolutely no idea of what you mean by this "investment nature." Detail this -- for a person who thinks that much of the current investment system is fueled by hallucinogens -- just how this will actually work.

    We are talking about autarkic (not intervening at least negatively on contemporary state of the economy but on the contrary) remotely directed, self-absorbing character of the investing in mega productions of bases, production assemblies or cosmic cities, solar panels on the moon or/ and unmanned toll and tax free zones,
    The whole concept can be traced to inverse of the Manhattan project, where deserted zones were used for experiments with destructive chain reactions – shortly for A-bombs productions. Here we will have a constructive chain reactions, not as someone suggested about terrorist or jobsrobbery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonnow View Post
    I think monkey shall finally get a stick to rich higher his banana and higher stage of evolution
    Problem is neither science or life are movies - TV reality type shows maybe at a pinch, but certainly not movies.

    There's no mysterious obelisk except one's own ability to nut out details.

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    Somehow I don't think we have to go to the moon to make investments in things like automation and solar power. Those investments are already being made, on earth.
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    "Any way I am still against the mainstream... in brain storm cyclones"
    And the devil is in the details. It is already known that these automatically, plus remote-control developing evolving lunar database systems can be duplicated here on earth in form of uninhabited islands, high-tech cyclone eye zones to force, encourage for more intensive actions toward the development of automation, that will lead to a breakthrough in space technology, ecological technology, (nano)biotechnology,(nano) technology of chemistry - almost surgical, modeled chemical reactions to create new molecules and chemical elements on a mass scale according to any wishes of the nano -organic versions to maintain and improve healthy condition of all our biological organs and gradually replace them.
    Around the high tech eyes -accelerators -shall grow new giant industrial centers for space transportation and other development and economic activities.
    We need to create a simple way for the development of this lunar transition of technology according to our hopes and dreams on an unprecedented scale. It will be like a jump over evolution, an age of 1000 years ahead.
    And here we will talk about the carrot method on the international and global scales. Creation of rather permitting for selected areas with energy and material capabilities at a purely ecological level - eg deserts - for exercises, experiments, innovative automatic productions, structural processing, construction of mega macro and micro. It would be like for force, train monkey for use box or stick to catch bananas. It is enough to designate, define the international legal framework relief of any possible tax,any bureaucy,any tax and customs. On the contrary, the creation of organizational support.
    I would like to remind you that these territories of new age technology will be autarkic, like first computer programs or computers, first cars that have contributed much to further economic or civilization.

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    You bring your carrot methods to the desert area where I live–I can assure you that you will be driven away with a stick. Or worse.

    How old are you Moonnow? Do you have any idea how the world actually works? Your "vision" is perhaps the most frightening thing I have ever heard.

    Have you ever been to a desert? Although they contain plants, animals, and even people, the great thing about a desert is the fact that it is mostly empty. Some people like that. You, apparently, would freak out if dropped in a desert.

    Did you ever read the "Foundation" series by Isaac Asimov, where the earth-like planet Trantor is entirely one gigantic city? Is that your vision?

    And what's all this stuff about monkeys being trained to use sticks and boxes to "catch" bananas? All the monkey has to do is climb up the tree and get all the bananas it wants.

    Are you one of those people who want every last little thing to be so totally automated that all you need do is sit on your behind while your brain is plugged into some virtual reality program? That's not living. You scare me.
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    I would like instead of - historically- project Manhattan (A- bomb),use empty spaces not for chain destruction training, but for creative chain constructions training.
    It is time for upright again posture in human and technologically evolution - revolution right now.
    In the suggested investments, super productions can become more efficient and better as… we did historically replacing horse to … racket - like for example " Deep blue" computer won chess with the best chess champion.
    Here in this concept - which we can also name MADEINMOON- our horses - that we replaced for …rockets – would in next futurel become...the moon, deserts of our planet, whole earth, next planets and cosmic objects (parallel our smaller "horses" - cells of our bodies - to subdue), that we will tame with speed depends of added energy, matter, application programs and our... mood. These new potentially macro and micro, mega-horsepower can be tamed by the development models, that matching self-replicating machines and constructions with people's … application's phone's programs and products .The proposed space , environmental programs (when they reach satisfactory results of these first programs - medical programs too) can start already immediately without special costs, and outright they can aid in reducing environmental costs as well as classic economic undertaking , speed development at first glance autarkic further mega investments… productions.
    So do not hand, tweezers whether modern alchemy is a new method grow , but self-replicating cells - like bio cell grow- in the macro or the micro (the Tokyo metropolis on the edge of the needle in multiplied versions )
    The advanced automation production system can give a chance for perceptible progress, for civilization’s breakthrough, actual output by leaving contemporary era of stone age in terms of technologically and mentally as well. From these great yet seemingly abstract lunar investments depends our future and present of our civilization in the full sense of the word.
    We must not use the… hands . It's like the evolution of human development. Until man was walking on four limbs, his development manual, and thus intellectually was very limited potentially , the same situation is today- we do not get out of the Stone Age - contemporary threats of ecological and political matters and we do not enter in the next crucial phase of our social and technological development, if we do not turn on our social transformation and technologically applications tamed in full automatic self replicating accelerators like productions at the macro and micro(nanorobots ) level on a mega scale according to the size of – needed- space. In feedback technology of replicating free us (as in his time upright posture in human evolution) from the current methods of organization and thinking in decision-making and development on a scale of personal and public. This will help us get out of this impasse of our evolution in terms of ecological, social, economic, technological, biological, decisive for our being individually, as well as the entire population on a cosmic scale literally and figuratively.

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    It is time for upright again!

    I would like instead of project Manhattan (A- bomb) use deserts not for destruction chain training, but for creative chain constructing.
    It is time for upright again posture in human and technologically evolution - revolution right now.
    In the suggested investments, super productions can become more efficient and better as… we did historically replacing horse to … racket - like for example " Deep blue" computer won chess with the best chess champion.
    Here in this concept - which we can also name MADEINMOON- our horses - that we replaced for …rockets –would in next future become...the moon, deserts of our planet, whole earth, next planets and cosmic objects (parallel our smaller "horses" - cells of our bodies - to subdue), that we will tame with speed depends of added energy, matter, application programs and our... mood. These new potentially macro and micro, mega-horsepower can be tamed by the development models, that matching self-replicating machines and constructions with people's … application's phone's programs and products .The proposed space , environmental programs (when they reach satisfactory results of these first programs - medical programs too) can start already immediately without special costs, and outright they can aid in reducing environmental costs as well as classic economic undertaking , speed development at first glance autarkic further mega investments… productions.
    So do not hand, tweezers whether modern alchemy or modern astrology ( eg aeronautics) is a new method grow , but self-replicating cells - like bio cell grow- in the macro or the micro (the Tokyo metropolis on the edge of the needle in multiplied versions )
    The advanced automation production system can give a chance for perceptible progress, for civilization’s breakthrough, actual output by leaving contemporary era of stone age in terms of technologically and mentally as well. From these great yet seemingly abstract lunar investments depends our future and present of our civilization in the full sense of the word.
    We must not use the… hands . It's like the evolution of human development. Until man was walking on four limbs, his development manual, and thus intellectually was very limited potentially , the same situation is today- we do not get out of the Stone Age - contemporary threats of ecological and political matters and we do not enter in the next crucial phase of our social and technological development, if we do not turn on our social transformation and technologically applications tamed in full automatic self replicating accelerators like productions at the macro and micro(nanorobots ) level on a mega scale according to the size of – needed- space. In feedback technology of replicating free us (as in his time upright posture in human evolution) from the current methods of organization and thinking in decision-making and development on a scale of personal and public. This will help us get out of this impasse of our evolution in terms of ecological, social, economic, technological, biological, decisive for our being individually, as well as the entire population on a cosmic scale literally and figuratively.

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    "Creativity means action - not passive evolution. Do not be passive!"
    I would try to explain nature of the moon concept- to show more broadly another points of space explorations in any dimensions.
    The main assumption of the concept is effective, efficient, safe, low cost colonization on the moon, preceded by intensive automatic expansion.
    By the way I mentioned earlier about using a model of self-driven automatic, autonomous technology development, expansion of production of robot's facilities bases, metropolises on the moon - under the surface of the moon ( and …through! ), beyond the moon - on earth too!-,in a flash time...and in micro(nano) version in our bodies too. So our universe would be within our reach like anything on earth. So a new trend is being created here - I have mentioned that our universe will be within achievable reach so that a new trend is emerging - paradigm of subduing forces of nature and their replacement in a better version as it was with a galloping horse 50 km / h and later rockets "galloping" many thousands of kilometers per hour. The same style of subjugation of our nature according to our needs, dreams and hopes can also be applied to journey between planets, stars and beyond ... and closer in our bodies to the pursuit of eternal health of our body finally.
    This paradigm of a self-reliant development mechanism that replaces nature is ultimately determining directions and opportunities for development of our technology and, consequently, our entire civilization.
    Generally that all what I try to explain, is a statement of subjugation and suppression of any object.
    The full automation of the first stage of this subjugation-venture - the expansion of the moon - gives guarantees to intentions like theories, that laid foundations for atomic energy, to reshape our minds, though, devotions, technology and further with the new technology our world and universe in enormous scale
    Also full participation (at the beginning indirect economic cognitive and ...toy game) of all willing to take in this colonization with the civilizations effects previously described.
    Moon for everyone in terms of economic, ecological and technological social first and foremost – that give really chance for technological-social progress of space explorations undertaking, any progress of mankind development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonnow View Post
    "Creativity means action - not passive evolution. Do not be passive!"
    I would try to explain nature of the moon concept- to show more broadly another points of space explorations in any dimensions.
    The main assumption of the concept is effective, efficient, safe, low cost colonization on the moon, preceded by intensive automatic expansion.
    By the way I mentioned earlier about using a model of self-driven automatic, autonomous technology development, expansion of production of robot's facilities bases, metropolises on the moon - under the surface of the moon ( and …through! ), beyond the moon - on earth too!-,in a flash time...and in micro(nano) version in our bodies too. So our universe would be within our reach like anything on earth. So a new trend is being created here - I have mentioned that our universe will be within achievable reach so that a new trend is emerging - paradigm of subduing forces of nature and their replacement in a better version as it was with a galloping horse 50 km / h and later rockets "galloping" many thousands of kilometers per hour. The same style of subjugation of our nature according to our needs, dreams and hopes can also be applied to journey between planets, stars and beyond ... and closer in our bodies to the pursuit of eternal health of our body finally.
    This paradigm of a self-reliant development mechanism that replaces nature is ultimately determining directions and opportunities for development of our technology and, consequently, our entire civilization.
    Generally that all what I try to explain, is a statement of subjugation and suppression of any object.
    The full automation of the first stage of this subjugation-venture - the expansion of the moon - gives guarantees to intentions like theories, that laid foundations for atomic energy, to reshape our minds, though, devotions, technology and further with the new technology our world and universe in enormous scale
    Also full participation (at the beginning indirect economic cognitive and ...toy game) of all willing to take in this colonization with the civilizations effects previously described.
    Moon for everyone in terms of economic, ecological and technological social first and foremost – that give really chance for technological-social progress of space explorations undertaking, any progress of mankind development.
    As near as I can tell, your plan is "just use fully automated nanotech self replicating machines". We don't actually have those, or anything close. Do you have any details to add on how to actually achieve this?

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    Self-replicating machines exist already. All what we need to develop the machines in quantity, quality, size in macro and micro (nanorobots too)versions is to work out the "speedy"evolution,training bases-spaces on earth and beyond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonnow View Post
    Self-replicating machines exist already.
    As they say on wikipedia, 'citation needed'. Nothing that fits the description exists. The closest thing would probably be a CNC machine, robotic assembly machine or 3D printer.

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    The exist in very primitive way made. But in the concept I very little pointed on the issue. So what I offer in the matter is generally duplicate model of growing-multiplying biocell by assembly of 3d printers and assembly robots at starting point followed by ever bigger and ever faster versions of that: automatic assembly productions plants,mines, solar panels, towns etcetera as one propagating organism in more organisms of the plants in two directions :versions of macro and micro(nanotechnology) multiplying systems.
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    Well then let us agree to meet up here again when/if the technology arrives if we are both still alive.
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    So let's start racing with the time of life of us and whole universe.
    By the way on the occasion of the upcoming Easter holidays, I would start this race with a proper quote from the Bible.
    Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the present earth and sky had disappeared. There was also the sea. 2 And I saw the holy city - the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. She looked great - like a bride who beautifully dressed for her husband.3 Then I heard a loud voice coming from the throne: "From now on, God will dwell among the people. They will be his people, and he Shall be Their God 4 and He will wipe Their eyes all tears. There will be no more death, sorrow, crying or pain. All this is gone along with the old world. "5 Then the one who sits on the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." Then he turned to me:- Save it, because These words are trustworthy and true.” (Revelation. Jan 21)

    The concept is a project to realize not in 10 or 100 or 1000 years but now or even yesterday!!! – Even it could already be introduced decades ago!!!
    Its introduction into force of automation of self robotic productions would accelerate- in just few years - development of technology not only just repeatedly but a million times a billion times until infinity. Accelerate repeatedly ( billions times !!) the development of civilization as well as, among others planetary engineering , engineering of all constellations, objects in our universe knows to date.
    We are already dawn of history in the geometrical development, but by literally manual control, where the speed of development literally depends on the speed of propagation of people - more people more specialization, it is because we are so "far" we went to the front since the Stone Age. Only the method of manufacture is sometimes aided by belt production. And it is precisely this "impotent" point of today development, where opportunity and chances for further effective investments and productions is mediocre. This is the organizationally neglected point of speed development of technology and organization ( civilization ) , which already we should continue to work out.
    But God had us to reproduce as much as possible, and it is this same with automation, robots , that will capable of producing according to our guidelines, they will be additional substitutes for children (grandchildren of God, superhuman, but still obedient by our programs ) of creator God - - high level space – that will be very, very, very, very helpful for development of our civilization.
    I propose the concept, whose base is “the multi application (body cell multiplication method) constructions speed” is within our technological capabilities and organizational just now!!
    We are a step away from this incredible spectrum of changes that do not even dreamed or dreamed of us.
    These are not fairy tales, fantasy books but the chance, that shall not loose!
    It is already now we can build pursue our dreams! and this project suggest various super options for automatics technological and organizational solutions.
    We have already many technologies and organization experiences, that can we harness to realize this at first glance amazing project .
    Body cell is a prime model for the proposed development of automation. Currently, the scale band vending robots objects, which will be delivered program - gen- for further reproduction and development. The cell development model of production (mega production) can be a good stimulus for the development of biotechnology, medicine, environment and so on as well.
    So, paradoxically, nature becomes the basis for the "escape" from the nature by automation of robots production and development on a global scale in micro and macro scale.
    The concept is to be prepared in the course of solid, transformation. Of course, all primarily interested in the essence of the project which is a mega production by automatically accelerated construction development are welcomed . And here we will pick properly recognition of this topic.
    Convince the world for the auto robotics development of infrastructure and the whole universe will be ours!
    The development of this system is the key to success of our civilizations real development.
    Work out the system of self automation robotics mega productions itself is the key to a breakthrough civilization now!
    We have never surrender!
    This is just the beginning of change.
    It is not only futuristic but now real possibilities for starting this project, the process.
    You are witnessing live the constructing of this concept undertaking ( that is why so often my descriptions are so vague circle, not so clear ) - in which you also can take part in it.
    The development of super-high-speed automatic production method of reproduction is like a biological cell or metadata of sending gens (cloning) programs, which continue to steer properly prepared park robots, which would produce plants of their robots colleagues, but also like by normal cells life, sometimes some cells work will not only serve to reproduce but also for other purposes.
    We completely modeled by nature ( of cells), which gives us an amazing opportunity to move off patterns of our civilization (ecological) tomorrow - where until today we use the method of production - even rocket-as in the time of stone age !!! Perhaps more complicated - because milliards hands doing work now , but continue with such methods already present in nature is not capable to bear.
    We cook up (literally !! -ecologic ) in the earth's crust, because we cannot utilize the opportunities and patterns of which ( constructions ,developing of body cells) just nature offers to us.
    We can use simplest model of the emergence of biological life (sea of soup of amino acids and primitive great ancestors of cells )
    We need to at the dawn of the formation of life to create proviso technology that we already have and never find out the hyper abilities of the automatic self development investment .
    Lacking of organizational desire !! We have technological capabilities and information. We as intelligent creatures, we can send this spark the gene program to this soup of modern technological and organizational, to create the foundation to go finally to rebuild in right speed and way our development productions- out of the Stone Age !
    Just now we going to infinity ocean of factors of issues that will gave impetus for implementation of the project and further any productions enterprises in the world and universe.

    At starting point of the concept, we don’t have to be too much dogmatic- we can help the zones to supply materials so long not work out the robotic system on a mass scale to develop chemical reactions for processing materials needed for any construction and productions.

    To be continued

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonnow View Post
    What do you think about remote controlled, automated mega investments on Moon from moon's resources and energii-solar-resorces, as good way for experiments and developing new more autonomous technology, that could be use further in macrocosm and microcosm ( microrobots in medicine) investments as well?
    This could be like building, starting new civilisations, new live ( robotic), technological mega investments - almost without using of earth resources -accelerators of science and economically development. By the way that can give more realistic chance for effective moon and space populating.
    What do I think? As a thought exercise I can see the appeal of self-replicating robotic machinery for mining and manufacturing on the Moon for the building and launching of spacecraft, as less energy is needed to get them underway from there than from the Earth. Other than that, what are you envisioning that cannot be done just as well here on the Earth? Your long, frantic walls of text in your subsequent posts are hard for me to read, so I am having a hard time ascertaining your line of thought. I think you would benefit from help from an editor to break your presentation down into short chunks giving us some details of the various types of machines you have in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonnow View Post
    The concept is a project to realize not in 10 or 100 or 1000 years but now or even yesterday!!! – Even it could already be introduced decades ago!!!
    I just wanted to make a short comment, that you can't achieve something by using several exclamation marks. Your ideas seem fine to me, and I think you should rest assured that there are many other people who are thinking along the same lines. The problem is, as I said earlier, you can't make anything come true just by shouting it out. It requires actual work and actual investment. If you are really interested in this, then you should become an engineer and start working on developing self-reproducing robots. There actually are many people working in the field of robotics, trying to get the necessary funds, and trying to make actual things that do actual work. If you want to work in policy, you can do that, too, trying to convince taxpayers that it is a good idea to spend more money on robotics and stuff like that. But unless you have magical powers, you are not going to be able to achieve anything yesterday.
    As above, so below

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    Thank you for any comments. What I am dealing with are initially loose comments and suggestions for state of the modern "progress" but above all mankind’s potential for its use.
    We continue drafting of the developing model of the cell-like building replicating cosmic empires started on the moon and from the mega-environmental investments on edge between deserts and oceans. Success of these investments gives a chance for efficient parallel development towards miniaturization of machines and robots ( for medicine case) as well. I think these self-replicating empires mega polis on the moon should achieve (by the replicating tools) in a few years about 10 percent of moon's volume !! Moon would be ultimately completely urbanized through, apparently just for fun – mega ghost towns !!! (The moon mega polis would remind the Star Wars planets shape spaceships), then we would speak about really chances for more efficient action towards miniaturization of autonomous self-replicating robots ( as it contributes biological cells) to that they could really effectively take over the roles of our body organs and cells and further our chances of ever full health and vitality life that will need for our continued exaltation in private both earthly and cosmic life.
    This self-replicating metropolis size of Tokyo (but with their own mines and mills of different sources, spaceports et cetera) has to fit in very broadly ways , then we could talk about success of our plans also in areas of medical enterprises. So in short, eternal health through the moon auto investments stimulator !! Made in MOON !!!
    So, we have good and bad news about the chances for success and efficiency goals of MOONNOW project of “made in MOON”.
    Good news from the indicated chart outline development model - self-replicating a common public enterprises of the investment on earth, in space and in our body, have a full opportunity to effectively implement workable within a few years.
    Bad message - here enormity of tasks, what it is before us and with need to apply !!! But they are already clearly identified and defined, so just only by our desire depends on whether we will enter in the efficient current technological progress on the moon and beyond that is on earth , in our bodies, and the rest of the cosmos.
    You noted at super fast construction of bases and cities is based on the result of multiple domino effects ,that will be feed with material and energy, that stand whatever on road - something on the principle of action of black holes or cancer, viruses -metastasis !!
    Gradually reworking ,according to our intentions, planets, asteroid, dark matter, stars, do not forget about our planet, here in the first row - oceans and deserts, of course, by and for ecological matters, as well as a microcosmic dimension of materials and energy of... our bodies.
    These are so logistics extensive-area of the enterprise, that in spite of the replication system constructions activates - reproduction and production, we will need masses of people into the community coordination for the help by mobile applications ( this time not only virtually) of the "Made in/by Moon" enterprises.
    There is so important, that first by apparently simulations and games or pilot-programs, educational, experimental, pulling many willing. (As in programs for seeking civilization or exoplanets) target within the hyper sustainably society, in that potentially all people could take part in any enterprise productions (autarkic) by special appropriate technology and social applications.
    And this the key and way for go out from socially and technologically stone age of today ( described in previous posts).

    For such level of creating such complex, effective structures at the micro or macro to achieve in short term satisfactory achievements in medicine, space and earth, we should get started on a mass scale work out, to use, ( also because our normal whole world economy and ecology wouldn’t never stand such performances) system self-replicating and remotely controlled machine systems, vending machines , production facilities, databases, robots at the beginning for science and just fun space exploration case, on the moon. So self-propelling be remotely programmed and programming itself - from sources on the moon- we can form on the moon, these "cell" metropolises - and appropriately speeding and expanding the moonmetropolitan investments formed by first base and bases for future astronauts, workers, tourists or at the end of the first permanent residents.
    This cell technology system of self-replicating investment gives a chance to exit (mentioned already in previous posts) from the modern Stone Age technology ( that means using today mostly, steady and constantly directly hands, welders, tweezers or syringe ) that within a few years, build investments on the moon, continue intensively the exploration of the cosmos, and breakthrough in medicine in the context of parallel carried miniaturization of the cellular technology investments, or of course already shortly mentioned the mega ecological investments.
    This cell system technology investments scale, even unimaginable, in a relatively short stretch of time, not only will save the entire world economy, by doing own ( autarkic) mega investments on moon and so on, but actually it sprints to unprecedented scale entire economy and boost independent mega green investments and will allow the unbridled development without limiting grow without conflict that one country produces and littering more than others.
    To be continued abut sustainable society and technology made in … Moon

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    I will start by inserting spaces in what appear to be paragraph breaks, to make your post easier to read.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moonnow View Post
    Thank you for any comments. What I am dealing with are initially loose comments and suggestions for state of the modern "progress" but above all mankind’s potential for its use.

    We continue drafting of the developing model of the cell-like building replicating cosmic empires started on the moon and from the mega-environmental investments on edge between deserts and oceans. Success of these investments gives a chance for efficient parallel development towards miniaturization of machines and robots ( for medicine case) as well. I think these self-replicating empires mega polis on the moon should achieve (by the replicating tools) in a few years about 10 percent of moon's volume !! Moon would be ultimately completely urbanized through, apparently just for fun – mega ghost towns !!! (The moon mega polis would remind the Star Wars planets shape spaceships), then we would speak about really chances for more efficient action towards miniaturization of autonomous self-replicating robots ( as it contributes biological cells) to that they could really effectively take over the roles of our body organs and cells and further our chances of ever full health and vitality life that will need for our continued exaltation in private both earthly and cosmic life.

    This self-replicating metropolis size of Tokyo (but with their own mines and mills of different sources, spaceports et cetera) has to fit in very broadly ways , then we could talk about success of our plans also in areas of medical enterprises. So in short, eternal health through the moon auto investments stimulator !! Made in MOON !!!

    So, we have good and bad news about the chances for success and efficiency goals of MOONNOW project of “made in MOON”.
    Good news from the indicated chart outline development model - self-replicating a common public enterprises of the investment on earth, in space and in our body, have a full opportunity to effectively implement workable within a few years.

    Bad message - here enormity of tasks, what it is before us and with need to apply !!! But they are already clearly identified and defined, so just only by our desire depends on whether we will enter in the efficient current technological progress on the moon and beyond that is on earth , in our bodies, and the rest of the cosmos.

    You noted at super fast construction of bases and cities is based on the result of multiple domino effects ,that will be feed with material and energy, that stand whatever on road - something on the principle of action of black holes or cancer, viruses -metastasis !!

    Gradually reworking ,according to our intentions, planets, asteroid, dark matter, stars, do not forget about our planet, here in the first row - oceans and deserts, of course, by and for ecological matters, as well as a microcosmic dimension of materials and energy of... our bodies.

    These are so logistics extensive-area of the enterprise, that in spite of the replication system constructions activates - reproduction and production, we will need masses of people into the community coordination for the help by mobile applications ( this time not only virtually) of the "Made in/by Moon" enterprises.

    There is so important, that first by apparently simulations and games or pilot-programs, educational, experimental, pulling many willing. (As in programs for seeking civilization or exoplanets) target within the hyper sustainably society, in that potentially all people could take part in any enterprise productions (autarkic) by special appropriate technology and social applications.
    And this the key and way for go out from socially and technologically stone age of today ( described in previous posts).

    For such level of creating such complex, effective structures at the micro or macro to achieve in short term satisfactory achievements in medicine, space and earth, we should get started on a mass scale work out, to use, ( also because our normal whole world economy and ecology wouldn’t never stand such performances) system self-replicating and remotely controlled machine systems, vending machines , production facilities, databases, robots at the beginning for science and just fun space exploration case, on the moon. So self-propelling be remotely programmed and programming itself - from sources on the moon- we can form on the moon, these "cell" metropolises - and appropriately speeding and expanding the moonmetropolitan investments formed by first base and bases for future astronauts, workers, tourists or at the end of the first permanent residents.

    This cell technology system of self-replicating investment gives a chance to exit (mentioned already in previous posts) from the modern Stone Age technology ( that means using today mostly, steady and constantly directly hands, welders, tweezers or syringe ) that within a few years, build investments on the moon, continue intensively the exploration of the cosmos, and breakthrough in medicine in the context of parallel carried miniaturization of the cellular technology investments, or of course already shortly mentioned the mega ecological investments.

    This cell system technology investments scale, even unimaginable, in a relatively short stretch of time, not only will save the entire world economy, by doing own ( autarkic) mega investments on moon and so on, but actually it sprints to unprecedented scale entire economy and boost independent mega green investments and will allow the unbridled development without limiting grow without conflict that one country produces and littering more than others.

    To be continued abut sustainable society and technology made in … Moon
    It appears to me that your vision includes self-replicating machinery on the Moon that could build and launch large mobile space habitats which could be settled by people from Planet Earth. You go on to envision nano-scale versions that could self-replicate like our living cells and develop prosthetic substitutes for lost or diseased organs in our bodies. Of course we need to be sure it does not run wild and create what could be described as synthetic cancer.

    I am sure there is more in your vision, but I am still having difficulty teasing it out of your writing. Much of what you write is vague, and it comes across as frantic and shouting because of such things as multiple exclamation points. This rubs many of our readers the wrong way.

    From a previous post:
    Best regard
    Pawel Kozycz from land of Nicolaus Copernicus, but lives in land of Niels Bohr
    I conclude that you were born in Poland and emigrated to Denmark. Writing in English can be challenging, which is OK. We all have to start somewhere. I have read pieces by Danish writers who could pass for Americans by their writing. The English teachers in Denmark and elsewhere in Europe are doing excellent work, and there should be lots of people who could help you in cleaning up the translation.

    To help in getting public support for visions such as yours, perhaps an eloquent composite clone of President John F. Kennedy, Wernher von Braun and Carl Sagan would be effective.

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    There will be no compromise on issue I have proposed changes to the introduction of self-replicating manufacturing and engineering grouped for purposes of space, ecology and outright mundane - our health. Precisely the last two words of the preceding sentence they give strength and the basis for this project to further promote and seek practical tools to meet hopes of cancer patients, any patients and any people with desire for exciting life on earth and throughout the universe indefinitely.
    We already see exoplanets, we see the mechanisms of action of cells or cancer for example, but we do not effectively work out enough effective ways to achieve, gain it not only virtually but manually, not manually of present time – unfortunately we still are in alchemy age - but finally effective manually surigcally tools will be proposed by Moonnow project.
    As I promised it is time to study – the most anticipated aspects of Moonnow- technological breakthrough in space ( micro and macro) explorations and …megaproductions.
    WE have no choice to move our technology in quite different way of development.
    We have to forget use... hands methods of building, constructing new machines, new tools, new towns and plants, new spaceships, new biological and other spare parts of…us , to go out of the still ancient stone age world of our mind and technology, any way of still ancient views of future, that some try to input in our life and mind.
    So let start finally descriptions of new concept of our world, our whole universe and our whole inner body universe to exploit very intensively by everyone that is interested in it by special mobile applications programs .
    Apparently I divided it very generally for 3 groups.
    Moon exploration and exploitation ( huge automatic mining and up building) for further very intensive space explorations .
    Developing of pro ecological mega constructions- megalopolis - on edges between oceans and deserts.
    Race of searching and constructing of new surgical micro robotic designs for man’s body.
    But by the way I have small easterpresent-eastereg to offer on the issue to show, that I'm not so shooting stubbornly person for presenting new ideas.
    So we can make the "moon" zones more achivable for individuals, institutes, schools, organizations, agencies by quite simply way. Everybody could at start finde up self-replicating training zones in nearest possibly place for exercises no hands selfdeveloping robot's parks, where should be always free place for the automated cells multiplying development. Ofcourse all energy and material supply is allowed to come not further and borders of the zones.
    School and another institutions can organize competition in the matter.
    To be continued.
    Happy Easter.

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    Dreaming is limited by the fact one wakes up. Human projects are limited by the fact that humans choose goals differently. You are proposing unlimited action by human organizations. To quote a famous phrase from a robot: "Danger, Danger, Will Robinson!!!!"
    Just because you're a genius doesn't make you a smart guy

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