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    The Donald Trump Admin Space Exploration Policy

    ...probably will make a statement some time in the future


    the news on the net is already picking up on his possible space policy, "Donald Trump may accelerate NASA's return to the moon NASA is looking at the possibility of putting astronauts in lunar orbit late next year, far ahead of schedule." http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/...2791487203684/ NASA studying manned trip https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...rod-from-trump Trump’s NASA Is Probably Aiming For The Moon Or Mars http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/06/tr...-moon-or-mars/
    NASA officials discuss Trump’s push for first-term moon mission https://www.abqjournal.com/956861/na...n-mission.html
    NASA generally proceeds slowly and incrementally – especially when human beings are blasted into space. But President Donald Trump and his advisers want to do something bold with the space program, and they’ve asked NASA to consider speeding up a long-planned moon mission. If Trump Sends NASA to the Moon, Congress Might Be Into It https://www.wired.com/2017/02/trump-...ongress-might/


    internet opinions http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=134194 collect space http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/005125.html NASA's FY 2017 Budget Proposal https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/in...&topic=39540.0

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    Next year? Do they want them to come back alive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampyankee View Post
    Next year? Do they want them to come back alive?
    Trump is probably thinking ahead. If NASA moves too slow and he's voted out in 2020, the new POTUS could kill anything Trump has going, redirect NASA with a new mission, setting NASA back again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superluminal View Post
    Trump is probably thinking ahead. If NASA moves too slow and he's voted out in 2020, the new POTUS could kill anything Trump has going, redirect NASA with a new mission, setting NASA back again.
    A one year time frame on a manned Moon landing isn't "thinking ahead"; it's completely unrealistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superluminal View Post
    Trump is probably thinking ahead. If NASA moves too slow and he's voted out in 2020, the new POTUS could kill anything Trump has going, redirect NASA with a new mission, setting NASA back again.
    A one year time frame on a manned Moon landing isn't "thinking ahead"; it's completely unrealistic.

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    It's only a lunar flyby. Still unrealistic though.

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    Seeking out sites for the 5 huge letters?..................come on now, just a little humor ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampyankee View Post
    A one year time frame on a manned Moon landing isn't "thinking ahead"; it's completely unrealistic.
    As Glom said, it's to be a flyby instead of a landing. Something a specific Soyuz version -and a wealthy version of you- could do today. And something where putting people on board has little added value, except for PR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swampyankee View Post
    A one year time frame on a manned Moon landing isn't "thinking ahead"; it's completely unrealistic.
    More unrealistic than starting from scratch and landing on the moon before the end of the 1960s? NASA was just a wee babe in those days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superluminal View Post
    More unrealistic than starting from scratch and landing on the moon before the end of the 1960s? NASA was just a wee babe in those days.
    More unrealistic than a decade from scratch for a manned Moon landing?

    Yes; much more so. I've worked in aerospace.

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    *cough* Falcon Heavy *cough*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookie View Post
    *cough* Falcon Heavy *cough*
    Sorry folks that is reserved for Elon Musk

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    He laid out a proposal on Monday that would increase military spending by $54 billion through cuts to programs related to science, education and the environment. - NYTimes
    Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cougar View Post
    He laid out a proposal on Monday that would increase military spending by $54 billion through cuts to programs related to science, education and the environment. - NYTimes
    Folks, our exception to the no-politics rule is narrowly limited to space exploration and science. Other comments about the current US administration, such as the budgets for other parts of the budget, will not be tolerated. This is the only warning for this thread; next one gets an infraction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swampyankee View Post
    More unrealistic than a decade from scratch for a manned Moon landing?

    Yes; much more so. I've worked in aerospace.
    Read today Soon Musk is planning a similar flight in a couple of years. Which would recommend, private flight or a NASA rush job?

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    No problem. NASA rush job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superluminal View Post
    Read today Soon Musk is planning a similar flight in a couple of years. Which would recommend, private flight or a NASA rush job?
    If you want to compare flights, Expedia is always good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superluminal View Post
    Read today Soon Musk is planning a similar flight in a couple of years. Which would recommend, private flight or a NASA rush job?
    Which has deeper pockets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolas View Post
    As Glom said, it's to be a flyby instead of a landing. Something a specific Soyuz version -and a wealthy version of you- could do today. And something where putting people on board has little added value, except for PR.
    As long as people are going anyway, maybe a worthwhile discussion would be about finding something scientifically useful for them to do. Perhaps many simple experiments that would have required many specialized robots. Or experiments in which data from early phases is needed before deciding what to do next.

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    So far not much details has emerged of President Trump's space plans. There was the one liner in his speech to Congress where he says "American footprints on distant worlds are not too big a dream.". What that exactly means has still to be flashed out.

    http://www.spacepolicyonline.com/new...distant-worlds

    In his first speech to Congress, President Donald Trump mentioned the human spaceflight program, though with too little specificity to clarify what he has in mind for the U.S. space program. Still, the fact that the space program was mentioned at all could be a positive indication that his Administration will support it against the backdrop of expected deep budget cuts for non-defense programs.

    Word that Trump would say something about human spaceflight in his speech to a joint session of Congress tonight became public late this afternoon.

    The short sentence appears close to the end of the speech: "American footprints on distant worlds are not too big a dream."

    The space community is certain to dissect those words and try to divine their meaning -- what worlds (is the Moon a "distant world"?), on what timeline, with the government and the private sector playing what roles -- but useful analysis will have to await further information.

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    A 4 minute 30 second video on President Trump's plan to go back to the moon by PBS.

    http://www.parabolicarc.com/2017/03/...eturning-moon/

    Is there renewed focus inside the Trump administration, NASA and the private sector to revive travel to the moon? There are signs, like a single reference in President Trump’s address to Congress, that seem to suggest that a space journey may be sooner than we might think. Science correspondent Miles O’Brien joins Judy Woodruff to discuss what we could learn and why it’s back on the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by publiusr View Post
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    You are again falling into the habit of posting links with little or no explanation (previous warning). "More" is not sufficient. You need to either given some sort of explanation, or a short, relevant quote from the article
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    Still no news from Trump directly on where he plans to take the US in space but those around him have indicated the moon is one of the goals.

    http://www.space-travel.com/reports/...ation_999.html

    Dismissed by former US president Barack Obama as a place explorers had already seen, the Moon has once again gained interest as a potential destination under Donald Trump's presidency.

    Private sector companies in particular are energized by the prospect of future space exploration missions beyond low-Earth orbit, where the International Space Station circles the Earth.

    Even though Trump himself has said little about the subject, his close circle and some former NASA officials have made clear their interest in returning to the Moon by way of partnerships with the private sector.

    Billionaire Elon Musk, the president and chief executive of SpaceX, along with Amazon founder Jeff Bezos, who also runs a rocket company called Blue Origin, have met with Trump's advisors several times since the Republican won the presidency.

    "There is certainly a renewed interest in the Moon in the Trump administration," said John Logsdon, former director of the Space Policy Institute at The George Washington University.

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    Washington Post has got a scoop by revealing what President Trump's budget is.

    http://www.spacepolicyonline.com/new...e-partnerships

    The Trump Administration's FY2018 budget blueprint proposes $19.1 billion for NASA, less than a one percent cut according to a copy of the document posted by the Washington Post. It is good news considering the draconian cuts proposed for many other agencies. President Obama's Asteroid Redirect Mission (ARM) would be cancelled and NASA's Office of Education would be eliminated under the proposal, but other NASA programs survived relatively unscathed. The earth science program is cut, but not as deeply as many feared.

    The blueprint is due to be officially released in a few hours, but the Washington Post was able to upload a copy early. [UPDATE, March 16, 7:20 am ET: The document is now posted on the Office of Management and Budget website.]

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    NASA seems to break about even on the new budget breakdown, down 1%, EPA not so lucky :

    https://st.hzcdn.com/simgs/90c2ad990...ome-design.jpg

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    No ARM. So they're not worrying about this kind of apocalyptic event? What do they know that we don't?

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    Statement by NASA acting Administrator Robert Lightfoot on the Fiscal Year 2018 agency budget proposal.

    https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/n...udget-proposal

    “The President mentioned in his speech to both houses of Congress that, ‘American footprints on distant worlds are not too big a dream.’ NASA is already working toward that goal, and we look forward to exciting achievements that this budget will help us reach.

    “NASA teams continue to do amazing work to develop and launch our missions and increase this nation’s technical capabilities across the board. America needs NASA more than ever, and the agency’s work every single day is vitally important.

    “While more detailed budget information will be released in May, we have received a top line budget number for the agency as part of an overall government budget rollout of more than $19 billion. This is in line with our funding in recent years, and will enable us to effectively execute our core mission for the nation, even during these times of fiscal constraint.

    “While the budget and appropriation process still has a long way to go, this budget enables us to continue our work with industry to enhance government capabilities, send humans deeper into space, continue our innovative aeronautics efforts and explore our universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glom View Post
    No ARM. So they're not worrying about this kind of apocalyptic event? What do they know that we don't?
    If you live in the US, you can call your representatives and ask that they lobby for its reinstatement. It's not a sure thing at all, but it is still good to make one's voice heard.

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    Culberson' will fuss about the Europa lander omission--so I expect it to return.

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