Originally Posted by

**gzhpcu**
Except we are not talking about abstract mathematics. Saying it just is, I do not find satisfying...

yes but the whole idea is based on a maths model isn't it? You cannot expect to get a feel for time in that model of the distant past if you don't believe the maths as a backwards prediction model. Most of what we have to work on is observation of stars using the electromagnetic spectrum and then maths to form a model of how they got there. Then we add particle work here on Earth but it's mostly looking at stars and maths.

sicut vis videre esto

When we realize that patterns don't exist in the universe, they are a template that we hold to the universe to make sense of it, it all makes a lot more sense.

*Originally Posted by Ken G*