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    The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)

    Just a new thread for The Last Jedi. The old thread was for the trailer.

    I took my kids to see it and we all loved it. I think it is too early for spoilers. The run time, 2 hours and 33 minutes. Strangely, it did not seem like a 2.5 hour movie.

    What I liked, non spoiler edition:
    I liked many of the new characters. There is a fair bit of CG for the film, but only when models and costumes wouldn't have worked. Kylo Ren is really ominously chaotic. From the last movie, I think they nailed him as a bad guy because of that madness lurking under that hair. The tantrums from the last movie really locked him in as a big dangerous baby.

    What I disliked:
    Hux and his budget department store costumed followers. Nobody should be listening to this guy. He's a punch clock villain. "Time and half for reading the Evil Speech? Hand me that mic."
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    Did your theater have about 20 minutes of ads after what they posted the start time that is what annoyed me the most. I think I will do a long write for my blog on the movie.
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    Some simple rules for health and safety in the Star Wars universe:
    Never try to stare down a Skywalker.
    Never pull rank on a Skywalker, especially the dark siders.
    If you see the Millenniun Falcon, run. If commander tells you to destroy it run faster.
    Never try to eat meat in front adorable little critters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astrotimer View Post
    Did your theater have about 20 minutes of ads after what they posted the start time that is what annoyed me the most. I think I will do a long write for my blog on the movie.
    They did, but I saw the trailer for A Wrinkle in Time and Avengers Infinity War. Both were more than worth the other garbage they showed. I don't know why they bother to show TV grade commercials before a major movie. I don't even recall what they were for, only that I didn't really care about them other than they were too long.
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    Ready player one and infinity wars looked good I don't know why the had a make up video and car commercial before the movie.
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    My post is up on my blog.
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    We saw it last night, too. We got there a little later than I would've liked and so had to sit in the front row, and I already had a bit of a headache, so the "theater experience" wasn't very pleasurable. I did think the movie itself was pretty good, though.

    A couple of surprising events (which I'll forego talking about yet), and some pretty good laugh lines, too.
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    I liked it. A lot.

    But.

    1) Holographic Force projections? I "get" the "Force ghosts", sort of... but live projecting? What precedent is there for that capability? 1b) Force ghosts being able to touch objects? Manipulate objects? Lightning? How? When? It's worse than the Elves and Dwarves sitting out the War of the Ring. A few Force ghosts in key enemy location/ships and the First Order is toast. Better yet, stop it from getting that far in the first place.

    2) Leia using the force (apparently?) to survive and fly through space back to the ship was... unexpected and a little jarring. My wife commented later that THAT would have been a good point to end the character, given poor Carrie Fisher's death. I figured there was too much after that to outright cut and/or reshoot without her, and to do so would in itself be disrespectful. This does present the "danger" of her (Leia) death being off-screen and anticlimactic before the action in IX.

    I did really enjoy it, though. I was a little miffed we didn't get any of Snoke's backstory (I'm sure there will be tons in the EU), and WHY. IS. HUX. STILL. ALIVE?

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    Saw the movie yesterday, good show, but do have some technical problems where <<<<slight spoiler inserted here>>>>>----------where the bad guys fleet not being able to catch up and close the gap with the 3 rebels ships part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacedude View Post
    Saw the movie yesterday, good show, but do have some technical problems where <<<<slight spoiler inserted here>>>>>----------where the bad guys fleet not being able to catch up and close the gap with the 3 rebels ships part.
    That part actually made sense to me.

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    If the First Order had jumped ahead, they would had the exact same chase, except in a different direction. They should have immediately jumped between the planet and the fleet once it became obvious what the Rebels were doing. It appears that they didn't understand what the Rebels were doing at all. Hux was too confident that the big ships were the prize and not the transports. My thought is that it wouldn't have made any difference, it would have ended the same thanks to Holdo's exit plan.
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    I liked it too, though there were a number of issues I thought while watching and not just after I started seeing the negative buzz on the Interweb.

    Things like:
    Superman Leia was probably the low point for me. That looked so stupid.
    Wonderful sacrifice, Laura Dern, but couldn't you have done that a little earlier?
    Two many threads.
    The casino was a bit prequel-esque.
    The moral message of the casino sub plot seemed out of place.
    Finn and Rose's infiltration was kind of pointless (only afterwards did I read comments pointing out it actively contributed to the deaths of rebels by bringing along Benicio Del Toro to allow the Empire to see the transport ships)
    Rose's of Finn was pretty weird. It was actively harmful to the fellow rebels and that T-bone should have killed Finn.
    A bit too long.

    Of course on the good side:
    All the stuff with Kylo Ren was great.
    I did like Luke's arc.
    Though I'm sure devisive, I rather liked his force ghost projection.
    That it exhausted him to the point of force death evaporation was a nice way to close his arc.
    I rather liked what they did with Snoke. Make him Hugh Heffner and then kill. Works for me. And I did like the way he was killed.

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    Also forgot how incredibly relieved I am that Rey is literally fresh blood. I can't tell you how much I was dreading it being revealed she was the daughter of Luke or Kylo Ren's long lost sister or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glom View Post
    Also forgot how incredibly relieved I am that Rey is literally fresh blood. I can't tell you how much I was dreading it being revealed she was the daughter of Luke or Kylo Ren's long lost sister or something like that.
    Hear, hear!

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    One part of me wishes they stuck to Expanded universe novels but the problem in that is that they take part when Leah, Luke and Han are in their twenties and thirties and the actors are two old to play those parts. Maybe after this trilogy they were have a re worked version of those books for the new characters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CJSF View Post
    I liked it. A lot.

    But.

    1) Holographic Force projections? I "get" the "Force ghosts", sort of... but live projecting? What precedent is there for that capability? 1b) Force ghosts being able to touch objects? Manipulate objects? Lightning? How? When? It's worse than the Elves and Dwarves sitting out the War of the Ring. A few Force ghosts in key enemy location/ships and the First Order is toast. Better yet, stop it from getting that far in the first place.
    I felt this was quite clever. Throughout the Star Wars saga Yoda and other master Jedi talk about how using the force is a continuing learning process and how the more a Jedi/Sith learn, the more powerful they become by using and manipulating the force to its full potential. I took it that Luke's ability to "live project" was showing how muchl he had learned to use the force how he had evolved to become possibly the most powerful Jedi ever. After all, Emperor Palpatine commented something as much in the Return Of The Jedi.

    Quote Originally Posted by CJSF View Post
    2) Leia using the force (apparently?) to survive and fly through space back to the ship was... unexpected and a little jarring. My wife commented later that THAT would have been a good point to end the character, given poor Carrie Fisher's death. I figured there was too much after that to outright cut and/or reshoot without her, and to do so would in itself be disrespectful. This does present the "danger" of her (Leia) death being off-screen and anticlimactic before the action in IX.
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    Yes it rather resembled a scene more akin to Mary Poppins!! I reckon they intend to have a confrontation between Kylo and his mother Leia (not sure how they will achieve this, perhaps with some lookalike and clever CGI) this will add to the conflict that stirs within Kylo. The ultimate choice whether to kill his own mother.

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    I can see your comment on 1) as a reasonable explanation for Luke's ability, but I stand by my 1b) comment.

    Quote Originally Posted by cosmocrazy
    ...I reckon they intend to have a confrontation between Kylo and his mother Leia (not sure how they will achieve this, perhaps with some lookalike and clever CGI) this will add to the conflict that stirs within Kylo. The ultimate choice whether to kill his own mother.
    I thought I had read that the producers were not planning to use any way to "replace" Fisher in the role and would work the story and script around her death. That could change, but I remember reading and hearing that in multiple places. If Ben facing his mother was their original intent, they have a lot of rewriting (or conceptualizing if they aren't that far) to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJSF View Post
    I can see your comment on 1) as a reasonable explanation for Luke's ability, but I stand by my 1b) comment.
    Yes I agree with you, my apologies, my comment was only aimed at 1 not 1b. "Force ghosts" being able to touch and physically interact with living makes little sense.



    Quote Originally Posted by CJSF View Post
    I thought I had read that the producers were not planning to use any way to "replace" Fisher in the role and would work the story and script around her death. That could change, but I remember reading and hearing that in multiple places. If Ben facing his mother was their original intent, they have a lot of rewriting (or conceptualizing if they aren't that far) to do.

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    To be fair it was just a personal hunch (Ben facing his mother) rather than anything I'd read or heard. I just thought doing so would cement deeper his twisted mind causing even greater conflict between his light and dark sides. Killing his father showed how much influence the dark side had over him. But killing his mother, the woman that carried and nurtured him... well the turmoil of that would be second only to killing your own child. If you get my drift.

    I guess the beauty of Star Wars is that there is so much artistic licencing that can be had, the writers are free to twist and turn the plot at a moments notice.

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    My understanding is they chose not to change anything due to Carrie Fisher's death. She was suppose to have to have a bigger role in Episode 9.

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    I saw the movie today. Overall, I liked it.
    I have a few minor complaints, but only one big one:

    The Mary Poppins scene was dreadful.
    They should have let Leia die.

    But enough complaining...
    I particularly liked the Luke Skywalker character.
    Mark Hamill played him very well.

    For special effects, "the light speed through a ship" scene was amazing.
    To answer Han Solo's question from the original movie, "Yes, that would end your trip real fast."
    The best part of that scene - no sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Extravoice View Post
    For special effects, "the light speed through a ship" scene was amazing.
    To answer Han Solo's question from the original movie, "Yes, that would end your trip real fast."
    The best part of that scene - no sound.
    Apparently, some movie theaters have put up signs in the lobby telling viewers that there's a scene with no sound near the end of the movie, because a significant number of people figured it was a technical problem in the theater and complained about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanF View Post
    Apparently, some movie theaters have put up signs in the lobby telling viewers that there's a scene with no sound near the end of the movie, because a significant number of people figured it was a technical problem in the theater and complained about it.
    Almost as jarringly realistic as that scene on the Moon in Super Mario Odyssey with no stars in the sky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanF View Post
    Apparently, some movie theaters have put up signs in the lobby telling viewers that there's a scene with no sound near the end of the movie, because a significant number of people figured it was a technical problem in the theater and complained about it.
    Good lord, itís true:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Extravoice View Post
    I'll admit that "technical glitch" was my immediate thought when it happened, but I deduced it was intentional pretty quickly.
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    It was a very dramatic device, but it begs the question of why either side didn't employ "light-speed bombs" during the Rebellion or earlier in the current conflict. Sure, you'd only want to employ it if your own fleet was a sufficient distance away, but I don't see how that's much of a problem.

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    I recall seeing a film in 3D that had a trailer for IMAX or 3D with the opening scene from Star Wars in it. After the trailer, the manager turned up the lights and announced that he had no idea if and when Star Wars would be available in either format. People booed him.
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    Do people still watch 3D?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJSF View Post
    It was a very dramatic device, but it begs the question of why either side didn't employ "light-speed bombs" during the Rebellion or earlier in the current conflict. Sure, you'd only want to employ it if your own fleet was a sufficient distance away, but I don't see how that's much of a problem.

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    The rebellion does not have a lot of resources every bit of equipment they have is important and hard to replace. The empire has super weapons like the Death Star and the numerical advantage that they do not really need to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hokie View Post
    The rebellion does not have a lot of resources every bit of equipment they have is important and hard to replace. The empire has super weapons like the Death Star and the numerical advantage that they do not really need to.
    I suppose so, and I'm sure there's a retconnable reason why they couldn't have successfully risked an old frigate to take out the first Death Star (or second, I suppose). I feel like even cobbling together one or two such weaponized ships could have had major impacts on the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glom View Post
    Do people still watch 3D?
    Every 7 years or so I forget that I don't like 3d and do see a 3D movie. The last one was Toy Story 3. That was particularly bad because the end made all three of my kids cry in terror.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glom View Post
    Do people still watch 3D?
    Based on the number of 3D showings at the local megaplexes, I'd have to say yes, quite a few.

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