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    More news
    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...stigma/588232/

    They are called UAPs now, though Shermer calls them something else
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...aps-and-craps/


    From the wiki
    "according to the UK-based Association for the Scientific Study of Anomalous Phenomena (ASSAP), reports of sightings in Britain to their office had declined by 96% from 1988 to 2012.[104]"

    I think sprites are what a lot of pilots have seen over the years, and they looked like a weird sky jellyfish that Gaddis once talked about
    https://www.amazon.com/Mysterious-Fi.../dp/1542408628

    Those are real as it turns out--but look so preposterous that folks didn't want to say anything.

    Years ago here--inone of my early posts--I had a link to an individual who made a UFO-detecting program on his computer. He worked very hard to eliminate sats, aircraft, etc.

    What he had left over--wound up as a pretty good sprite detector. I have since forgotten my own link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by publiusr View Post
    Years ago here--inone of my early posts--I had a link to an individual who made a UFO-detecting program on his computer. He worked very hard to eliminate sats, aircraft, etc.

    What he had left over--wound up as a pretty good sprite detector. I have since forgotten my own link.
    This one ? https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showthr...77#post2210977

    I was also searching for a cartoon I remembered about photographing ufos, but had to plow through an unfortunate number of “UFO” photos that even I could see were nothing more than light catching scratches on the window, etc. Just one factor for that 3x increase in number of reports with the number of smartphones.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gzhpcu View Post
    Seems that military pilots have seen increased activity leading to this:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/24/p...nes/index.html
    This almost certainly refers to the 'recent' GoFast and Gimbal tapes that were released by the To The Stars Academy; these were filmed back in 2004. These have been fairly comprehensively debunked by the Metabunk forum, and probably show nothing more exciting than a bird and a distant plane.

    If there has been another uptick in the number of reports since these videos were publicised (note that they were available before this, but no-one took much notice) then this is probably due to increased enthusiasm for UFOs among pilots, rather than a real increase in observations.

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    So the actual quote in the article says
    But there have been "a number of reports of unauthorized and/or unidentified aircraft entering various military-controlled ranges and designated air space in recent years," according to the statement.
    "These kinds on incursions can be both a security risk and pose a safety hazard for both Navy and Air Force aviation. For safety and security concerns, the Navy and the USAF takes these reports very seriously and investigates each and every report."
    How do we move from reporting incidents likely caused by known aircraft of such description, ie drugrunners, drones, other unregulated UAVs, microlights, ultralights, etc to "OMG ALIENS!"? Is the only association that an alien spacecraft might be in that same description? "Fair and balanced" reporting so they ask Elizondo for a quote?
    It sounds to me like this is a set-up to get better figures on actual mundane airspace incursions, so that with hard numbers it will be easier to gain funding to reduce the associated hazards to pilots (and passengers). Or does the video with the article counter that idea? (other than just "that's what they want you to think"?)
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    One thing we can be sure of, unregulated drone use will increase in coming years, but if any trespass into controlled space, they will be jammed or shot down. Assuming the military has the capacity to do so, of course. I think this will become true of most military organisations around the world- but it is also possible that drones will become more sophisticated and less vulnerable too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eburacum45 View Post
    One thing we can be sure of, unregulated drone use will increase in coming years, but if any trespass into controlled space, they will be jammed or shot down. Assuming the military has the capacity to do so, of course. I think this will become true of most military organisations around the world- but it is also possible that drones will become more sophisticated and less vulnerable too.
    (off topic continuation) Saw a tech article about drones with weapons on Twitter yesterday. Seems these are real tings, and if they are showing and talking about them, the secret stuff must be way more awesome. Not the big plane drones, small ones with regular weapons. And even smaller suicide drones.

    https://warontherocks.com/2019/02/dr...gical-weapons/

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...e-drones-45372

    UFO sighting are going to go way up soon. (no evidence for that claim at all)
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    Quote Originally Posted by eburacum45 View Post
    This almost certainly refers to the 'recent' GoFast and Gimbal tapes These have been fairly comprehensively debunked by the Metabunk forum, and probably show nothing more exciting than a bird and a distant plane.
    The one with the bird was over water. I'm thinking the plane might have been this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Taranis

    A good way to test might be for one ship to launch a drone, and not tell another ship--and see what becomes of it. The flare is what looks like the so called "tic-tac" with digital blooming from those low res gun-sight cameras. The drone never left the pipper. If it were capable of wild behavior, it should have zoomed out of view of one plane, and into the gun camera of another, or beyond.


    Instead the "Brewster Buffalo" of fighters, the FA-18, seemed to be able to keep up.

    The best ship killers are subs, anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ufonaut99 View Post
    No it was Years before even that one. But the link there may be helpful to folks looking for sprites, drones, etc.

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    Nice idea, but the Taranis flew in 2013, and these sightings occurred in 2004. The drone may have been an earlier version, I suppose. Much earlier. Since these sightings happened in or near a test range, something along these lines is quite likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gzhpcu View Post
    What about it? No seriously, so what? So this guy thinks there should be more UFO investigations; so what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swift View Post
    What about it? No seriously, so what? So this guy thinks there should be more UFO investigations; so what?
    Been there, done that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gzhpcu View Post
    I notice that the article states this:

    Now he [Chris Mellon] works with a civilian group called To the Stars Academy of Arts & Science, trying to prod the U.S. defense and intelligence communities to investigate reports of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs—also known as UFOs) that maneuver in ways that have no known precedent.
    And I also notice they don't say anything about that "civilian group" (which happened to make a filing to the SEC and sold stock). Just from a current review, it looks like they changed the site, but not too long ago, they said they were researching, along with UFOs, telepathy, consciousness, engineering the space time metric, beamed propulsion (actually an almost mundane subject, except you have to wonder what special expertise they would bring to the table). Oh, and they are also there for entertainment and they would really like you to give them money.

    They have notable people on board like Hal Puthoff. You might remember him (along with Russell Targ) being involved in the infamous "psychic" tests of the magician Uri Geller. A little background here: Decades ago, I took psychic abilities pretty seriously, since I thought at the time some of them had been verified in careful scientific studies. The Puthoff and Targ fiasco was one of the things that shifted me to an extreme skeptic on the subject. When others pointed out how it was possible to cheat through their tests, their typical response to say things like "How dare you accuse the participants of cheating" rather than acknowledge experimental deficiencies. Anyway, Puthoff has a special place for me as being one of the people that helped move me to a more skeptical worldview.

    Oh, and they have money troubles (or at least they did when these articles were written):

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2018...ct-37-million/

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/e...illion-in-debt

    I won't even get into discussion about Tom Delonge.

    The long and short of it is that this "To the Stars Academy" pegs my nonsense meter (though I usually would use a word that starts with "bull" in that phrase). I consider anyone working for them and speaking for them is most likely doing it to try to make money. If somebody wants me to take them seriously when discussing UFOs, I expect some minimum level of credibility. I also don't take articles very seriously if they mention the "To the Stars Academy" uncritically.

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