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    Wires and bad hair days on the ISS

    What is going on at the ISS? Why are they employing hidden wire harnesses to rotate and fool people with trickery?

    And what is it with women's hair? It has quite obviously been gelled or hairsprayed to stay in place, yet scenes of women on the vomet comet show their hair loose and wild. In just one video below (at 1:30) the woman points to her hair as if it's evidence she is on the ISS.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzHNhacWFQ


    Chris Hadfield wire harness:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-uG2Pq2rLM



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kv4dqIUJoM
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    I don't see any wires in these videos, but I do see arms flailing about that would interact with your alleged wires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunzlepug View Post
    What is going on at the ISS? Why are they employing hidden wire harnesses to rotate and fool people with trickery?
    Please point out what you consider the best evidence (with video time markers when appropriate) of these claimed wire harnesses. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunzlepug View Post
    And what is it with women's hair? It has quite obviously been gelled or hairsprayed to stay in place, yet scenes of women on the vomet comet show their hair loose and wild.
    Have you ever had long hair? What can be fun and entertaining for the duration of 'vomit comet' weightlessness (30-60 seconds per arc) is a complete pain in the backside when you are trying to work over an extended period (weeks/months on the ISS). Not to mention loose hair, hair getting caught on things etc etc. Not shocked if some people would opt to try to control it a bit, whether through gels or just using a leave in hair washing product which usually leads to stickier hair than a silicone conditioner.

    Oh, and counter examples of 'wild hair':
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOIj7AgonHM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJujRJMiKVs

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    Forget the ISS. Explain how in 1973 anyone would have faked this footage: Skylab. The rooms are way too large, the scenes too long to fake in a Vomet Comet.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_p7LiyOUx0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjvmXLyrtjM

    (plenty more Skylab footage to be found online).

    The two astronaut jobs I'm most jealous of: driving a car on the moon, and being in something the size of Skylab.

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    You've never used gel or hair spray in your life, have you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gillianren View Post
    You've never used gel or hair spray in your life, have you?
    You never know, but it is a good dig.

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    I mean, I have--not recently, but I have. And it's quite clear that people claiming gel and hair spray were used in these shots haven't.
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    I know he's suspended now, but ISS looked pretty real to me when I tracked it with my telescope and my software last night.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub4rE6zfS1g

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    Quote Originally Posted by NGCHunter View Post
    I know he's suspended now, but ISS looked pretty real to me when I tracked it with my telescope and my software last night.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub4rE6zfS1g
    I haven't seen it with a scope, but I have watched it with my eyes, exactly where it was supposed to be according to the tracker service.

    https://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/H..._Space_Station

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    Have you ever done wire work on earth? It doesn't work like that at all. The deal breaker in all of these videos is the profound lack of motion generating energy for the flips and such. The backflip where the guy only moves his toes is a great example. A harness prevents you from smacking into things, it usually does not generate any force. It tends to resist your motion.

    There are cases where the guy on the other end of the line can yank you into the air to allow an impossible series of flips (many as you want), but all that force is driven in on your crotch. You hate that guy, you don't smile while doing it. As an added bonus, you can come down with brush burns on your hip bones, or worse, the small delicate area at the top on your hips at the base of your back. You don't know you have that body part until it's covered with rug burn.

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    And again, how would you do the harness trick, invisible at that, in early seventies Skylab footage of multiple people doing acrobatics all over the place in continuous shots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolas View Post
    Forget the ISS. Explain how in 1973 anyone would have faked this footage: Skylab. The rooms are way too large, the scenes too long to fake in a Vomet Comet.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_p7LiyOUx0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjvmXLyrtjM

    (plenty more Skylab footage to be found online).

    The two astronaut jobs I'm most jealous of: driving a car on the moon, and being in something the size of Skylab.
    The only thing that close would have been a super Guppy--and I wonder if it could stand the maneuvers needed with straight wings.

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    In terms of size you'd get close, in terms of flight envelope you'd have issues indeed, and we see continuous weightless shots that are longer than what you can achieve in a parabolic flight, especially with a craft as fragile as a Guppy.

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    As you say, the sequences are too long to be filmed in a plane. No, these film makers are far more sophisticated than that when it comes to simulating weightlessness, they actually build a full sized module and shoot it along a parabolic path that keeps missing the Earth, in order to keep the occupants in a continuous free-fall. Sneaky eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedfreek View Post
    As you say, the sequences are too long to be filmed in a plane. No, these film makers are far more sophisticated than that when it comes to simulating weightlessness, they actually build a full sized module and shoot it along a parabolic path that keeps missing the Earth, in order to keep the occupants in a continuous free-fall. Sneaky eh?
    I believe they learned that trick from Stanley Kubrick, who, when asked to fake the moon landings, being the stickler for accuracy he is, demanded they be shot on the moon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gillianren View Post
    And it's quite clear that people claiming gel and hair spray were used in these shots haven't.
    I was rewatching an ISS video tour by Sunita Williams, and remembered the hair spray claim. At this point:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGP6...youtu.be&t=168

    she brushes her hair, and it still "stands up straight." It doesn't look at all like something that would work with hairspray or gel, and it should be pretty obvious that in freefall, hair would tend to go outward. After all, hair doesn't just plaster itself to one's head in regular gravity, but it is pulled down by gravity.

    Anyway, the main reason I brought this up is that the full video is a great tour, and you see her (and her hair) moving around continuously for a half hour. I don't see how you'd fake that.

    Also, here is another great tour, running about 50 minutes, by astronaut Steven Swanson:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvTmdIhYnes
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedfreek View Post
    As you say, the sequences are too long to be filmed in a plane. No, these film makers are far more sophisticated than that when it comes to simulating weightlessness, they actually build a full sized module and shoot it along a parabolic path that keeps missing the Earth, in order to keep the occupants in a continuous free-fall. Sneaky eh?
    They screwed up, and shot it along an elliptical trajectory instead.

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