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    Quote Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
    Next up, I hope: Restore the original name to Mount Tacoma.
    Hmm... I thought it was originally called "Over there".
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    Quote Originally Posted by PetersCreek View Post
    That's what I and most folks I know have been calling it anyway. I usually only say Mt. McKinley when Denali confuses a Lower 48er. "Denali? Is that the one next to Mt. McKinley?
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    Incidentally, today is a beautiful day and I had to escort a technician up to the air traffic control tower cab: 360° views, including Denali and Foraker on the horizon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NEOWatcher View Post
    It's one thing where a man made object is named in honor of something. It's another when it's a natural feature. If there is a connection of the person to the feature, and that feature doesn't have a solid history, there is some defense in the name.

    But; these are well established names that were changed. As far as I can see, there was no real connection between McKinley or Rainier other than just "honor".
    I'll confess to amusement that, while it's pronounced "ray-near," it's spelled "rainier." As in, more rainy. As in, "I can't see the mountain right now, because it's rainier than it has been for several months."
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    I was familiar with the name Denali from my informal readings about Alaska in the past, the fact that it was already the name of the national park surrounding the mountain, and my recent reading about Bradford Washburn. Even Washburn's book from the 80s called "Mount McKinley" has the subtitle "The Conquest of Denali". So I think it was certainly a well-known name already and this doesn't feel like much of a change at all.

    I don't suppose Mount Everest will ever be renamed Chomolungma or Sagarmatha, but one never knows...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Extravoice View Post
    Just in case anyone missed the memo:
    The name of the tallest mountain in North America has been changed from Mt McKinley (back) to Denali.
    I read an article about this written by an Alaskan. She explained that the real name translates as Huge-Mountain-Usually-Hidden-By-Clouds-(Especially-When-Friends-Or-Tourists-Are-Visiting).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    I read an article about this written by an Alaskan. She explained that the real name translates as Huge-Mountain-Usually-Hidden-By-Clouds-(Especially-When-Friends-Or-Tourists-Are-Visiting).
    Hey, I'm pretty sure that's what our mountain's name means, too!
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    I, er, see your mountain, and raise you a country ...

    The official Maori name for New Zealand is Aotearoa. That translates to "land of the long white cloud".

    ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aotearoa )
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    The one time I saw Ranier, all of the OTHER mountains around it were hidden by clouds.
    (I was above them.)

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    To be fair, the other mountains around it are a lot shorter and less noticeable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pzkpfw View Post
    The official Maori name for New Zealand is Aotearoa. That translates to "land of the long white cloud".
    Why not? I think Colorado now translates as "land of the long white happy cloud."
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    And now Denali has shrunk.
    A new, official height for Denali has been measured at 20,310 feet, which is 10 feet less than the previous elevation of 20,320 feet that had been measured using 1950s-era technology.
    I wonder if the Ohio politicians would have debated that if it was still named McKinley.

    Oh, but wait, didn't it shrink a few years ago?
    found Denali’s high point to be 20,237 feet, as compared to the 20,320 foot height estimate obtained in 1952

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    I read an article about this written by an Alaskan. She explained that the real name translates as Huge-Mountain-Usually-Hidden-By-Clouds-(Especially-When-Friends-Or-Tourists-Are-Visiting).
    Lol!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaiYeves View Post
    I don't suppose Mount Everest will ever be renamed Chomolungma or Sagarmatha, but one never knows...
    It's an interesting question but a quite different one. Denali is in the US so the Department of the Interior has jurisdiction over it. But Everest is not, so it's a different situation. I think that normally the wishes of the other country are respected, but in this case it straddles two countries. I'm not even sure there is a formal mechanism to giving official names to features in a different country.
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    I don't have an issue with those kinds of name-changes. I was already familiar with Denali.

    For me it's harder to break old habits, that is, using the old European name in normal conversation. So I still tend to refer to Georgia Strait rather the Salish Sea, or "The Charlottes" (Queen Charlotte Islands) instead of Haida Gwai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gillianren View Post
    I'll confess to amusement that, while it's pronounced "ray-near," it's spelled "rainier." As in, more rainy. As in, "I can't see the mountain right now, because it's rainier than it has been for several months."
    It certainly is right now! Pouring. After the driest summer and spring in history. We actually just finished the wettest August on record, but it all fell in the last few days. Before that, it was the driest. Unfortunately, the current downpour will do absolutely nothing for our deficient snowpack. Except melt it.
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    That's funny, because it's been a lovely sunny day in Olympia, one of those beautiful early fall days that suckers people into moving here just before hitting them with November, where you won't see the sky all month.
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    All this reminds me of the time we toured Natural Bridge Caverns. As the group was walking into the cave, the guide pointed out an overhang that came down to about head height.

    "This is the Rock of a Million Names," he said. "Every time a tourist gets careless and walks into it, it gets another one."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    All this reminds me of the time we toured Natural Bridge Caverns. As the group was walking into the cave, the guide pointed out an overhang that came down to about head height.

    "This is the Rock of a Million Names," he said. "Every time a tourist gets careless and walks into it, it gets another one."
    There was an article in Archaeology magazine years ago about an Inca site that was hard to reach and the author's companions joked that a certain rock on the trail was always being renamed after the home country of the last person to fall off it.

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    Sounds like something that The Knights Who Say Ni would come up with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pzkpfw View Post
    I, er, see your mountain, and raise you a country ...

    The official Maori name for New Zealand is Aotearoa. That translates to "land of the long white cloud".
    South Africa isn't at that stage yet, and the name is an accurate geographical description for a country that wasn't a country before Europeans got there. Provinces and cities are getting renamed and it occasionally confuses me to see a team called Mpumalanga play rugby and have to check if they are ours or Kiwis.

    It doesn't bother me, and even if it did I don't live there anymore so I shouldn't have a say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    Why not? I think Colorado now translates as "land of the long white happy cloud."
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    Apparently, I’ve missed another name-change memo.

    Folks who are descendants of people from Spain or its former colonies are now referred to as “Latinx”.

    The announcer on NPR pronounced it as “Latin-ex”.

    I’d guess this is attempt to resolve the problem created because English doesn’t do gender-specific adjectives, so “Latino” and “Latina” didn’t really work.

    As to why we couldn’t simply use “Latin” escapes me, but I’m not a linguist.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Extravoice View Post
    I’d guess this is attempt to resolve the problem created because English doesn’t do gender-specific adjectives, so “Latino” and “Latina” didn’t really work.
    I think it is intended to avoid the gender-specific nouns/adjectives. While still keeping the Latinx sound. Would this be extended to other adjectives that might be used in English (e.g. pequeñx) I wonder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Extravoice View Post
    Apparently, I’ve missed another name-change memo.

    Folks who are descendants of people from Spain or its former colonies are now referred to as “Latinx”.

    The announcer on NPR pronounced it as “Latin-ex”.

    I’d guess this is attempt to resolve the problem created because English doesn’t do gender-specific adjectives, so “Latino” and “Latina” didn’t really work.

    As to why we couldn’t simply use “Latin” escapes me, but I’m not a linguist.



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    Well, it could cause the whole confusion between Latin America and Ancient Rome that inspired the Dan Quayle joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaiYeves View Post
    Well, it could cause the whole confusion between Latin America and Ancient Rome that inspired the Dan Quayle joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grant hutchison View Post
    "Latin Ten? What happened to the first nine?"

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    I was thinking of this one: https://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/quayle.asp

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    Quote Originally Posted by grant hutchison View Post
    "Latin Ten? What happened to the first nine?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaiYeves View Post
    Yes, I know.
    I was making a different joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Extravoice View Post
    Apparently, I’ve missed another name-change memo.

    Folks who are descendants of people from Spain or its former colonies are now referred to as “Latinx”.

    The announcer on NPR pronounced it as “Latin-ex”.

    I’d guess this is attempt to resolve the problem created because English doesn’t do gender-specific adjectives, so “Latino” and “Latina” didn’t really work.

    As to why we couldn’t simply use “Latin” escapes me, but I’m not a linguist.



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