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suntrack2
2010-Mar-03, 04:21 PM
I think this is somewhat different topic heading here, but anyway I dare to write on tiger :)

1. today tigers are becoming rare
2. in china people wants tiger's skin for different uses
3. decreasing span of forests all over the world
4. limited tiger sanctuaries all over the world
5. I don't know whether there are tigers in amazon basin
6. I don't know but it is possible when the catles are being injected with different medicines
and the same catles are being killed by the tigers, tigers are meeting to the death !!
7. man is a ambitious animal who can better do the dectetorship on tigers to cut the wood in the forest.
8. if any child asks to his/her mother, mom show me the tiger or tell me something about tiger, she will show the "tiger's statue to her child" in the year 2020 !!

anyway tigers, vultures also are becoming very rare from this pretty world.

what are the actual causes !
would you think that cloaning of tigers will be the best solution to grow the tiger's population.

ofcourse this is off topic....

HenrikOlsen
2010-Mar-03, 05:40 PM
Cloning tigers won't help, the problem isn't too few breeding tigers in captivity, the problem is nowhere to release them when they grow up.

Cloning is a really bad thing to try when you have a limited number of animals breeding, since the real problem isn't to get animals enough but rather to avoid inbreeding.

For many endangered species there's intensive international coordination to let various zoos exchange individuals for breeding so they keep their populations diverse enough.

The only situation where cloning makes sense is animals that don't breed in captivity or animals that are already extinct.

Ara Pacis
2010-Mar-03, 05:41 PM
Perhaps we need to reduce the surplus human population.

HenrikOlsen
2010-Mar-03, 05:51 PM
Tigers can help with that:D

Swift
2010-Mar-03, 06:20 PM
Tigers are not the only species, or even large mammal in trouble. As Henrik said, for a lot of these species, zoos and similar captive breading programs are their own hope for survival and even then, there will be little possibility of re-releasing them back into the wild in the foreseeable future.

rommel543
2010-Mar-03, 09:59 PM
I say we make a tiger farm and feed them some of the surplus human population. Not only would we be helping the tiger populate, decreasing human population, but we would also be decreasing global warming (less people = less required resources)

mugaliens
2010-Mar-04, 11:02 AM
I know this sounds crass, and is grossly politically incorrect, but we humans are animals. We're competing for scarce resources (land in which to live and grow food). It's survival of the fittest, nothing more, nothing less - same thing that's been going on for hundreds of millions of years on this planet of ours.

Having said that, we're more "fit" because we can think, plan ahead, etc. I fully agree we should be do so in ways so that we do not further encroach on any natural habitat. Build up, not out! It's one reason I chose to live in an apartment rather than a home. In the same lot size as the average home (2 people), we're housing 48 people.

That's efficient. That makes sense. That's environmentally responsible.

gzhpcu
2010-Mar-04, 11:27 AM
5. I don't know whether there are tigers in amazon basin

I do know: there are no tigers in South America. Jaguars yes, tigers no.

Ara Pacis
2010-Mar-04, 04:58 PM
I know this sounds crass, and is grossly politically incorrect, but we humans are animals. We're competing for scarce resources (land in which to live and grow food). It's survival of the fittest, nothing more, nothing less - same thing that's been going on for hundreds of millions of years on this planet of ours.

But we also create resources and, more to the point, we create more food than would occur naturally.

Argos
2010-Mar-04, 05:09 PM
I do know: there are no tigers in South America. Jaguars yes, tigers no.

Yes. And they┤re beautiful (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar)

In some Spanish language countries of the Americas the jaguar is colloquially called "El Tigre" [The Tiger]. Brazilians call them "Onša".

suntrack2
2010-Mar-05, 04:23 PM
Yes. And they┤re beautiful (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar)

In some Spanish language countries of the Americas the jaguar is colloquially called "El Tigre" [The Tiger]. Brazilians call them "Onša".

Argos, I heard last time that Californian cougars are similars to the tigers and some of them entered into habitable zones (last time) there on !! is it true. When I saw the picture of the cougar it was just seem like a biggest cat. :)

Even I read somewhere in the newspaper that "in china the different parts of the tigers they eat to enhance their overall stamina. :( ( I am not sure)".

http://weblogs.cltv.com/entertainment/tv/metromix/cougar.jpg

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2009/08/india-tigers_1445189c.jpg

sunil

Argos
2010-Mar-05, 04:36 PM
Argos, I heard last time that Californian cougars are similars to the tigers and some of them entered into habitable zones (last time) there on !! is it true. When I saw the picture of the cougar it was just seem like a biggest cat. :)

Well, I┤ve heard of cougars spotted in towns┤outskirts. They can be found in the entire American continent [the three Americas].

In fact they┤re considerably smaller than jaguars, and far smaller than tigers. Another distinctive feature is their plain color [unlike jaguars and tigers]. They are overgrown cats, so to speak. :)



Even I read somewhere in the newspaper that "in china the different parts of the tigers they eat to enhance their overall stamina. :( ( I am not sure)".


Yeah. That┤s a sad superstition.

mahesh
2010-Mar-05, 05:00 PM
...Even I read somewhere in the newspaper that "in china the different parts of the tigers they eat to enhance their overall stamina. ( I am not sure)"....
hey, maybe we should send them some of this stuff...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_bread
http://mydiversekitchen.blogspot.com/2008/09/dutch-crunch-bread-or-pao-tigre.html
http://modern-baking.com/bread_pastry/snap-crackle-crunch-0609/

just sprinkle a dash of soya sauce...yummers...

ah...I pine for a TigerPizza...miaow!

BigDon
2010-Mar-05, 05:14 PM
Actually, by the last count I heard, 6 pairs of tigers have been released in suitable tiger habitat in Africa. The closest human outpost was 60 miles away and the closest town twice that.

Though a google search only turned up sites with people crying about it.

HenrikOlsen
2010-Mar-05, 06:23 PM
I wasn't aware that tigers are native to Africa?

BigDon
2010-Mar-05, 06:23 PM
Do they normally live in zoos?

BigDon
2010-Mar-05, 06:25 PM
Tigers are resiliant. The live from Siberia to the tip of India. They're not specialists.

Argos
2010-Mar-05, 06:32 PM
According to common knowledge, Tigers are native to Asia. Back in the day their habitat spanned from the Caucasus to Southern Siberia to Southeastern Asia. Nowadays they live in isolated pockets, in Southern Siberia, India and Southeastern Asia. They all but disappeared in the Caucasus/western Asia.

A map of their distribution:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tiger_distribution3.PNG

HenrikOlsen
2010-Mar-05, 06:36 PM
Right, so in an attempt at saving the tigers they've been made an invasive species.

Argos
2010-Mar-05, 06:42 PM
Yeah, tigers are resilient. But a quick search on the web indicates that their release in Africa is a myth.

BigDon
2010-Mar-05, 07:02 PM
Right, so in an attempt at saving the tigers they've been made an invasive species.

Henrik, yes.

Argos, myth or is somebody back pedaling?

I read a really envolved website a year or so back. Over a period of months. Unless that was an elaborate hoax I'm going to call "shenaningans" on the myth call.

Argos
2010-Mar-05, 07:09 PM
Well, it seems there is a rewilding program being carried out in South Africa. But the specimens are going to be released in their native environment in Asia.

Swift
2010-Mar-05, 07:23 PM
Here is the wikipedia article on it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_tiger#Re-wilding_project_in_South_Africa)

There is a Bengal tiger re-wilding project started by John Varty in 2000. This project involves training captive-bred Bengal tiger cubs by their human trainers so that the tigers can regain their predatory instincts. Once they prove that they can sustain themselves in the wild, they would be released into the wilderness of Africa to fend for themselves. Their trainers, John Varty and Dave Salmoni (big-cat trainer and zoologist), have to teach them how to stalk, to hunt, and, most importantly, to associate hunting with food.

It is claimed that two Bengal tigers have already succeeded in re-wilding, and two more tigers are currently undergoing their re-wilding training. This project is featured by The Discovery Channel as a documentary, Living With Tigers. It was voted one of the best Discovery Channel documentaries in 2003.


The documentary has been proven to be a fraud.[65] The tigers are unable to hunt, and the film crew chased the prey up against the fence and into the path of the tigers just for the sake of dramatic footage. Cory Meacham, a US-based environmental journalist mentioned that "the film has about as much to do with tiger conservation as a Disney cartoon." In addition, the tigers have not been released—and indeed still reside in a small enclosure under constant watch and with frequent human contact. The Discovery documentary contains footage that its maker, John Varty, has admitted on affidavit to be false. Conservationists fear that the public will be misled in this cynical fashion.[66]

BigDon
2010-Mar-05, 07:29 PM
Thanks for clearing everything up. You were right Argos.

Argos
2010-Mar-05, 07:33 PM
Yes, Big Don. Now it seems that the Wiki article needs correction. It is simply nonsensical to release tigers in Africa, as stated in the passage that Swift quoted.

BigDon
2010-Mar-05, 07:39 PM
I've read worse on the internet.

Swift
2010-Mar-05, 08:18 PM
I've read worse on the internet.
And if you read what Peterscreek posts here, you'll read wurst (http://www.bautforum.com/off-topic-babbling/93207-bad-gastronomy.html). :D

Oh, and speaking of "Tigers on alarm" - here's one now (http://www.disneymouselinks.com/DisneyCollectables/Tigger.jpg).

(there, I got all my funny stuff into one post)

BigDon
2010-Mar-05, 08:32 PM
Speaking of Tigger...

At my fiftieth birthday party last Sunday I Tigger pounced my older brother, who is some six years my senior, and bowled him over onto a large futon.

Instead of the expected headlock and noogies til you bleed he just held his left side, turned pale and gasped like a fish.

Well, he's old at least.

mahesh
2010-Mar-06, 10:52 AM
I have no idea, as to how this video was shot. And why?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UFxjBsc9lM

And a few others following on the same link. Sad really. Humans encroach upon / destroy their habitat. And we expect them to make room for us.

These are fairly regular events in various parts of India.
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_three-tiger-attacks-jolt-chandrapur-2-killed_1329258

...However, another senior forest officer said: “This is certainly alarming. The fact that tiger attacks are taking place repeatedly indicates that the tiger is fast turning into be problem animal.”
I hope that Mr SeniorForestOfficer has found alternative employment.

I recall, a few years ago, there was a tiger loose in northern suburbs of Bombay.
Sorry can't find a link to the event, just now. I forget what happened to the poor thing.

edit:
Re -my youtube link. Just realised...two endangered species in one...not unlike Swift's funny joke above, hanh!

mahesh
2010-Mar-06, 11:11 AM
And if you read what Peterscreek posts here, you'll read wurst (http://www.bautforum.com/off-topic-babbling/93207-bad-gastronomy.html). :D ...

So, shall I bring the pao-tigre, then?
http://mydiversekitchen.blogspot.com/2008/09/dutch-crunch-bread-or-pao-tigre.html

mahesh
2010-Mar-06, 03:25 PM
... gasped like a fish...
Well at least he knows, he's in good hands...you being an expert with fish an' all...

Happy Birthday BD !

Bolasanibk
2010-Mar-06, 05:22 PM
Opportunity for a shameless self plug:

A couple of months back I was on safari at Ranthambore National Park, India. On what was my fourth trip I finally managed to get a Tiger on camera.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_4xmM68F5nAY/S2mTFXduGJI/AAAAAAAAGmE/9d8HYUgS_X0/s144/IMG_7149.JPG

Picasa Web Album (http://picasaweb.google.com/bolasanibk/Tiger#)

My blog post (http://bolasanibk.blogspot.com/2010/01/tigers-at-ranthambore.html)

Swift
2010-Mar-06, 08:03 PM
Wow, great photos.

BigDon
2010-Mar-06, 10:29 PM
What Swift said!

sarongsong
2010-Mar-07, 12:52 AM
...4. limited tiger sanctuaries all over the world...Some help is on the way...
December 28, 2009
To mark 2010 as Year of the Tiger, the government of Nepal has announced the expansion of Bardia National Park in the Terai Arc landscape by 900 square kilometers (347 square miles), which will increase critical habitat for wild tigers...the first ever nationwide estimate of Nepal's tiger population revealed the presence of 121 breeding tigers in the wild within four protected areas...In the early 1900s, tigers roamed throughout Asia and numbered over 100,000...current estimates indicating that less than 3,500 of these tigers remain in the wild...
ens-newswire.com (http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/dec2009/2009-12-28-02.asp)
A series of political meetings is being held in the run-up to the Heads of State Tiger Summit to be held in September 2010.
This timeline charts what has happened so far in this process, and what still needs to be done...
panda.org (http://www.panda.org/what_we_do/endangered_species/tigers/tiger_initiative/political_process/tiger_summit/)

Bolasanibk
2010-Mar-07, 08:21 AM
Wow, great photos.

Thanks!

suntrack2
2010-Mar-07, 04:50 PM
Thanks!

and a photo posted by Swift about alarming tiger was also great one, I really smiled at that
tiger on the clock. really it is too funtastic Swift.

Since the tigers are rare, that tiger alarm is also rare to see, wow nice one.
how many people here have experience to touch the real tiger !!

I have touched. :)

Sunil

BigDon
2010-Mar-08, 03:24 PM
and a photo posted by Swift about alarming tiger was also great one, I really smiled at that
tiger on the clock. really it is too funtastic Swift.

Since the tigers are rare, that tiger alarm is also rare to see, wow nice one.
how many people here have experience to touch the real tiger !!

I have touched. :)

Sunil

As long as they can't touch back....

:)

mugaliens
2010-Mar-10, 11:20 AM
Wow! Massive cats! A tiger's 650 lbs compared to a lion's 500 lbs or less.

Around here, cougars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Cougar)are real, but generally less than a hundred pounds or so.

suntrack2
2010-Mar-11, 02:50 PM
Wow! Massive cats! A tiger's 650 lbs compared to a lion's 500 lbs or less.

Around here, cougars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Cougar)are real, but generally less than a hundred pounds or so.


They don't bite? or they usually bite in the cali-forest !! (just curious).

I heard somewhere that tigers greatly fear with the wild cat, (your comment is require)even I heard that in china people eats cat, they do the pickle of frogs etc (aaaayk chheeee) :(

sunil :)

Swift
2010-Mar-11, 06:12 PM
They don't bite? or they usually bite in the cali-forest !! (just curious).

I assume you are asking about Cougars. Yes, they bite and they have been known to attack people. According to this website (http://tchester.org/sgm/lists/lion_attacks.html) the average in the United States is less than 6 per year.

Argos
2010-Mar-12, 02:47 PM
A propos: Eleven rare Siberian tigers die at Chinese zoo

Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8563673.stm)

suntrack2
2010-Mar-15, 05:22 PM
ha, great going there. they are great people. :) when all the tigers will go away, they may use robotic tigers in future to show in the zoo. :)

SeanF
2010-Mar-15, 08:53 PM
I took this picture (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CmhUMu77bCg/S5jWMRYWpVI/AAAAAAAAAL0/aEcfRLTgGjQ/s1600-h/IMG_9941.jpg) just last week in Guangzhou.

Didn't even bother asking what the going price was...

suntrack2
2010-Mar-19, 05:30 PM
I took this picture (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CmhUMu77bCg/S5jWMRYWpVI/AAAAAAAAAL0/aEcfRLTgGjQ/s1600-h/IMG_9941.jpg) just last week in Guangzhou.

Didn't even bother asking what the going price was...

auo !! nails of tigers are looking in the picture infront of a boot. I think the nails of tigers are not booted with the tiger properly, it may snatched like (from titger) and looking kept for selling in the market !!, I am surprised SeanF Sir. :)

great picture collection by you.

BigDon
2010-Mar-19, 05:54 PM
Hey Sean, how close to Souix Falls is Guangzhou?

SeanF
2010-Mar-19, 09:30 PM
Thanks, suntrack! :)


Hey Sean, how close to Souix Falls is Guangzhou?
According to this website (http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=FSD-CAN&MS=wls&DU=mi), it's 7445 miles, which is more than 1/4 the circumference of the Earth. :)

suntrack2
2010-Mar-25, 05:24 PM
Thanks, suntrack! :)


According to this website (http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=FSD-CAN&MS=wls&DU=mi), it's 7445 miles, which is more than 1/4 the circumference of the Earth. :)

thanks SeanF, 2010 is a special tiger year in china, as per their feng shui calender.

sunil

PraedSt
2010-Mar-27, 08:36 PM
I saw that tigers in Africa programme. Shame it was a fraud, I quite liked the idea.

mugaliens
2010-Mar-28, 06:34 AM
I forget what happened to the poor thing.

If I ever come across a tiger/lion/leapord/cougar/wolf/bear/etc. in the wild, I'll leave them alone. :)

But if they won't return the favor, I'll make dang sure I'll live to see another day.

So I'm human. If humans had any other attitude, we'd have died out eons ago.

HenrikOlsen
2010-Mar-28, 09:04 PM
I saw that tigers in Africa programme. Shame it was a fraud, I quite liked the idea.
I utterly loathed it.
We already have enough invasive species without someone deliberately releasing another apex predator into already threatened ecosystems.

PraedSt
2010-Apr-02, 09:30 PM
I utterly loathed it.
We already have enough invasive species without someone deliberately releasing another apex predator into already threatened ecosystems.
That's a very static view of life. :) Why do you hate it so much?
In this particular example, I do think that tigers would eventually displace (most) lions, but I don't see how that would cause African wildlife to collapse.

Argos
2010-Apr-03, 01:52 PM
That's a very static view of life. :) Why do you hate it so much?
In this particular example, I do think that tigers would eventually displace (most) lions, but I don't see how that would cause African wildlife to collapse.

I think Lions and Tigers would occupy the same ecological niche, where only one can prevail. Furthermore, elephants, gnus, etc, would be in serious trouble. Introducing an alien species in any given environment can have unpredictable consequences.