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ilkhani-tus
2004-Mar-09, 12:49 AM
#-o <I have no idea if this is even in the right forum>

Ok, this is getting ridiculous... |<--more extreme members of the religious right-->| <~~Edit:

are saying that this (http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/news.asp) "cross-shaped" object is of course, another sign.

I know that there are all sorts of patterns to be found in space, but I forget where I can find pictures of them. I know of the "black eye" picture, and the nebula that looks like it's giving the finger...(I wonder what they'd say about that?)

Anyone know of where I can find some other cool pictures of patterns in space without the idiotic commentary of the first one?

wedgebert
2004-Mar-09, 12:56 AM
Of course, to all those in the southern hemisphere, that object is the sign that the anti-christ is about to be born (or something equally evil)

Andromeda321
2004-Mar-09, 01:01 AM
It's not a cross though. The left-right parts don't line up.
AND it's slanted!!! #-o #-o #-o

freddo
2004-Mar-09, 01:05 AM
The horsehead nebula (http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap971025.html)
The eye of Sauron? (http://www.star.ucl.ac.uk/~apod/apod/ap991031.html)
OMG They killed Kenny! (http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html)

The astronomy picture of the day site has heaps of this sort of stuff... Have a browse.

The Bad Astronomer
2004-Mar-09, 02:00 AM
Please avoid using names when refering to groups like that. While I disagree with their interpretation and much of what they say, "Fundies" will be considered by many to be an insult.

Lorcan Faol
2004-Mar-09, 06:01 AM
Until I see a nebula that has a vivid image of a person or living being holding a sign that clearly reads "Let me know if you can read this, I've got a message for you", I will not be convinced of any of this 'amazing and mysterious space image' mumbo jumbo. It's still cool to see the very interesting designs, though. That never gets boring.

ilkhani-tus
2004-Mar-09, 08:16 AM
Please avoid using names when refering to groups like that. While I disagree with their interpretation and much of what they say, "Fundies" will be considered by many to be an insult.

:oops:

Ok, fixed. (I think)...

ilkhani-tus
2004-Mar-09, 08:19 AM
The horsehead nebula (http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap971025.html)
The eye of Sauron? (http://www.star.ucl.ac.uk/~apod/apod/ap991031.html)
OMG They killed Kenny! (http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031207.html)

The astronomy picture of the day site has heaps of this sort of stuff... Have a browse.

Thanks! Although I can't see "Kenny" in that last one... :-?

Iain Lambert
2004-Mar-09, 09:51 AM
Neither can I. Personally, I think it looks rather more like Garry from Weird Science, complete with bra on head, but I'm not known for my sanity.

SciFi Chick
2004-Mar-09, 01:30 PM
I can't stand how the article says:


A curious cross has now been dimly perceived in the heavens. What it is, no one really knows.

It's a galaxy. What do they mean, no one knows?

And as for signs, has anyone seen that commercial McDonalds put out a year or so ago? It's two surfer dude type guys staring up at a bright light, and one of them says, "It's a sign." in a mysterious voice. Cut to a picture of McDonalds drive thru menu. =D>

gethen
2004-Mar-09, 02:44 PM
Interesting that an article written for an apparently fundamentalist publication would tell us that the object in question is "20 million light years from earth." That would mean that the light from that object took 20 million years to get here, which is hard to figure in a universe less than 10,000 years old. If it's a sign, it would make more sense if it were a bit more easily visible to the world at large.

MAPNUT
2004-Mar-09, 03:11 PM
If it's a sign, it would make more sense if it were a bit more easily visible to the world at large.

No, the fact that we have just now achieved the technology to see it means that our doom is at hand.

Eta C
2004-Mar-09, 03:24 PM
Of course this discussion omits the cross in the southern skies. Was Australia founded under a sign of impending doom? I don't think so.

nitefallz
2004-Mar-09, 03:36 PM
A sign of what? That there is an all powerful "creator?" That the bible is true, etc.


My two cents on that is:

The cross is man made, why, if there was a creator, would he/she use that as any sign for us to see? The cross Jesus was crucified on could've easily been something else. What if they impaled people instead?

Also it would seem odd to use something that was an instrument of death to give "hope". Then again worshipping Christ on the Cross is fairly morbid too, but thats another story. And I am drawing assumptions as well... It's unfortunate how zealous people get sometimes and avoid any logical reasoning.

Normandy6644
2004-Mar-09, 03:59 PM
At least they got the majority of the astronomy right 8) . What I think is funny is that they are interpreting this as a sign for Jesus' return, but the light from this galaxy (and consequently the "cross") began its journey here millions of years before Jesus was even born. If you want one from near my hometown, try this one (http://www.startime.com/virginmary/).

nitefallz
2004-Mar-09, 04:17 PM
At least they got the majority of the astronomy right 8) . What I think is funny is that they are interpreting this as a sign for Jesus' return, but the light from this galaxy (and consequently the "cross") began its journey here millions of years before Jesus was even born. If you want one from near my hometown, try this one (http://www.startime.com/virginmary/).

Wow, that's... interesting. Seeing something like that I can understand how people become the way they do.

Maksutov
2004-Mar-09, 04:25 PM
At least they got the majority of the astronomy right 8) . What I think is funny is that they are interpreting this as a sign for Jesus' return, but the light from this galaxy (and consequently the "cross") began its journey here millions of years before Jesus was even born. If you want one from near my hometown, try this one (http://www.startime.com/virginmary/).

To me it looks like someone has a very large, very sore thumb sticking out of a bandage. Is that still there, or did they clean the windows? :roll:

Maksutov
2004-Mar-09, 04:26 PM
Hamlet, Act III, Scene II:

Hamlet: Do you see that cloud, that's almost in shape like a camel?
Polonius: By the mass, and 't is like a camel, indeed.
Hamlet: Methinks, it is like a weasel.
Polonius: It is backed like a weasel.
Hamlet: Or, like a whale?
Polonius: Very like a whale.

Swift
2004-Mar-09, 08:58 PM
Until I see a nebula that has a vivid image of a person or living being holding a sign that clearly reads "Let me know if you can read this, I've got a message for you", I will not be convinced of any of this 'amazing and mysterious space image' mumbo jumbo. It's still cool to see the very interesting designs, though. That never gets boring.
In (I think) the last book of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, God's last message to his creation. :D

Iain Lambert
2004-Mar-10, 10:47 AM
"Let me know if you can read this, I've got a message for you"

No way I'm looking at that - I bet its got a virus as the attachment.

Wally
2004-Mar-10, 01:21 PM
At least they got the majority of the astronomy right 8) . What I think is funny is that they are interpreting this as a sign for Jesus' return, but the light from this galaxy (and consequently the "cross") began its journey here millions of years before Jesus was even born. If you want one from near my hometown, try this one (http://www.startime.com/virginmary/).

To me it looks like someone has a very large, very sore thumb sticking out of a bandage. Is that still there, or did they clean the windows? :roll:

Someone shot it out just last week with a couple steelies and a sling shot.

Normandy6644
2004-Mar-10, 03:05 PM
Yeah, I think they replaced it, but with normal glass. The funny thing is whenever I drove by the building there were always some people outside (it had been turned into essentially a church) looking in awe. My thoughts were always, it's a building!! I mean I'm rather religious, but seeing figures on a building doesn't do a whole lot for me. Unless it started to talk or something...

Maksutov
2004-Mar-10, 03:35 PM
At least they got the majority of the astronomy right 8) . What I think is funny is that they are interpreting this as a sign for Jesus' return, but the light from this galaxy (and consequently the "cross") began its journey here millions of years before Jesus was even born. If you want one from near my hometown, try this one (http://www.startime.com/virginmary/).

To me it looks like someone has a very large, very sore thumb sticking out of a bandage. Is that still there, or did they clean the windows? :roll:

Someone shot it out just last week with a couple steelies and a sling shot.

Man, you'd think an omniscient, omnipotent god would prevent something like that from happening!

But, the flip side is, the persons who committed these sacrilegious acts are condemned to burn in hell and suffer unbelievable torments for eternity.

So, no big deal... 8)

Maksutov
2004-Mar-10, 03:43 PM
Yeah, I think they replaced it, but with normal glass. The funny thing is whenever I drove by the building there were always some people outside (it had been turned into essentially a church) looking in awe. My thoughts were always, it's a building!! I mean I'm rather religious, but seeing figures on a building doesn't do a whole lot for me. Unless it started to talk or something...

Quick suggestion: take your thought, "The funny thing is whenever I drove by the building there were always some people outside (it had been turned into essentially a church) looking in awe. My thoughts were always, it's a building!!" and take it to its logical conclusion. Tie it in with, "seeing figures on a building doesn't do a whole lot for me." Look at the whole of organized religion from where you were/are when asking those questions/realizing those facts. Perhaps things look different from that perspective? :)

Normandy6644
2004-Mar-11, 03:09 AM
I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at here....all I was saying is that I see the amazing where most people (though not of this board, since we're generally like minded) see the ordinary: the Fibonacci sequence in nature, imaginary numbers in resonance, and the all around splendor that is our world. To me this says a lot more than some glass stains on a building. Though perhaps there is some similarity...

AGN Fuel
2004-Mar-11, 05:07 AM
Yeah, I think they replaced it, but with normal glass. The funny thing is whenever I drove by the building there were always some people outside (it had been turned into essentially a church) looking in awe. My thoughts were always, it's a building!! I mean I'm rather religious, but seeing figures on a building doesn't do a whole lot for me. Unless it started to talk or something...

We had a similar type thing in Sydney last year, where if the wind was blowing from the right direction and there was a heat haze, by twisting your head, drinking 3 quarts of vodka & squinting, people were claiming they could see the Virgin Mary in a fence post. It was attracting crowds of several hundred people....

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/02/1044122264479.html

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

rigel
2004-Mar-11, 01:51 PM
Iv'e seen many faces in rock formations across the southwest, especially when the sun was low and catsing shadows.

Wally
2004-Mar-11, 05:46 PM
anyone remember that bagle from Mexico (iirc) a number of years ago. A spittin' image of Mother Theresa. Wouldn't you like to have gotten a hold of that thing and bitten the nose right off it! :lol:

Sigma_Orionis
2004-Mar-11, 08:59 PM
I must be really thick or something, I can't even see through stereograms
OTOH I do fall quickly for the convex/concave illusion....

Maksutov
2004-Mar-11, 09:39 PM
Yeah, I think they replaced it, but with normal glass. The funny thing is whenever I drove by the building there were always some people outside (it had been turned into essentially a church) looking in awe. My thoughts were always, it's a building!! I mean I'm rather religious, but seeing figures on a building doesn't do a whole lot for me. Unless it started to talk or something...

We had a similar type thing in Sydney last year, where if the wind was blowing from the right direction and there was a heat haze, by twisting your head, drinking 3 quarts of vodka & squinting, people were claiming they could see the Virgin Mary in a fence post. It was attracting crowds of several hundred people....

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/02/1044122264479.html

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Sure it was the perceived image, and not the free vodka that was attracting the crowds? :wink:

Maksutov
2004-Mar-11, 09:45 PM
anyone remember that bagle from Mexico (iirc) a number of years ago. A spittin' image of Mother Theresa. Wouldn't you like to have gotten a hold of that thing and bitten the nose right off it! :lol:

IIRC, it was on a taco shell, apparently one that had been left in the back of the icebox and had gotten all wrinkled. Couldn't have been a bagel since current government regulations via the Dept. of Homeland Security prohibit transportation of bagels across country lines for immortal purposes. Since Mexico is a country, that means: ¡ningunos panecillos, senor!.

:)

Normandy6644
2004-Mar-13, 03:43 PM
mmmm......Mother Theresa taco. 8)

Psi-less
2004-Mar-14, 03:43 PM
The part that surprised me was this: "Astronomers have recently discovered an amazing object in the heavens. Some have dubbed it a "celestial cross.""
I guess it all depends on how you figure "recently". The photo was first publicly released June 8, 1992--almost 12 years ago! :o And if the photo was taken because of someone's request, don't they get a year to study it and take whatever data from it they can prior to the photo's general release? I'm not sure who the astronomers are who are dubbing it a "celestial cross" since it sure wasn't mentioned in the Hubble news release where they refer to it as a "dark X" (no relation to the planet of the same name. :lol: ) Here's the press release for anyone interested (the part about the possibility of a black hole was very interesting). http://tinyurl.com/2cueg

Psi-less