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ToSeek
2004-Mar-11, 02:40 AM
And sees this. (http://members.wap.org/kevin.parker/images/BonnevilleRim.jpg)

The raw navcam images are here. (http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/navcam/2004-03-10/)

outerspacerock
2004-Mar-11, 02:47 AM
Looks pretty sandy or dusty down there. No exposed strata jumps out at me as opposed to the Opportunity site. :( Wonder if they will go down or move on? Looks like the might have a path down on the right....

frogesque
2004-Mar-11, 03:08 AM
Had a look through some of the other images - it all looks as though the surface rocks are basaltic and have recently been through a crusher. Little evidence of wind abrasion.

Don't think this could have been a "wet" area :(

majic
2004-Mar-11, 03:18 AM
This is a pretty cool image showing the tracks of the MER! (http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/navcam/2004-03-10/2N132226383EFF1700P1943R0M1.JPG) . (Far right)

ToSeek
2004-Mar-11, 03:41 AM
Looks pretty sandy or dusty down there. No exposed strata jumps out at me as opposed to the Opportunity site. :( Wonder if they will go down or move on? Looks like the might have a path down on the right....

I was thinking exactly the same thing: after all this buildup, Bonneville looks pretty boring. Maybe there's stuff on the inside of the near rim, but right now it doesn't look nearly as interesting as Opportunity's crater. I guess we'll find out tomorrow if they intend to go inside - as you say, it looks level enough on the right to be able to get in that way.

Maksutov
2004-Mar-11, 03:52 AM
I don't know, looks as though there are some interesting rocks on the left side of the crater. Might even have some bedrock. These initial images might have been taken from too far away to provide the resolution that would identify sedimentary bedrock. I'm sure JPL will drive a little bit closer.

EFossa
2004-Mar-11, 09:19 AM
It doesn't seem to have any different features than the large hollows they've been driving through, apart from its size and depth of course. I hope they decide to head for the hills.

Daffy
2004-Mar-11, 03:39 PM
Just an observation about how blase we have all become...here we are looking at images from another world that no human has ever seen before and we are commenting about how boring it all is!

ToSeek
2004-Mar-11, 03:57 PM
Just an observation about how blase we have all become...here we are looking at images from another world that no human has ever seen before and we are commenting about how boring it all is!

Well, "boring" compared with the great gash revealing the bowels of the earth, um, Mars that I was hoping for. It's still pretty cool.

ToSeek
2004-Mar-11, 04:04 PM
This is a pretty cool image showing the tracks of the MER! (http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/navcam/2004-03-10/2N132226383EFF1700P1943R0M1.JPG) . (Far right)

As the song says, "It's been a long road, gettin' from there to here..." (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/066/2P132219261EFF1600P2283L2M1.HTML)

Daffy
2004-Mar-11, 04:07 PM
Just an observation about how blase we have all become...here we are looking at images from another world that no human has ever seen before and we are commenting about how boring it all is!

Well, "boring" compared with the great gash revealing the bowels of the earth, um, Mars that I was hoping for. It's still pretty cool.

Must...resist...tempted to make...a dumb bowels pun...must be...strong.

Well, this one will go down in the anals of astronomy. :D

I tried. Really, I did.

EFossa
2004-Mar-11, 05:43 PM
I think it will look quite spectacular through pancam. These are black and white navigation camera images, remember how fetureless the landing site looked in those first navcam images? Hopefully they'll do a big colour mosaic of the crater.

ToSeek
2004-Mar-11, 06:03 PM
I think it will look quite spectacular through pancam. These are black and white navigation camera images, remember how fetureless the landing site looked in those first navcam images? Hopefully they'll do a big colour mosaic of the crater.

I'm kind of ticked right now because I've sorted through all the current day's pancam images, of which there are a ton, and none are of the crater.

harlequin
2004-Mar-11, 09:12 PM
I am not convinced that there is no bedrock. The far side is just too far away. I would want a closer look at the top of the far side which seems to be of a bit different than what is below it. Of course I admit I might easily being try to see what is not there. The next rover needs a spy glass. Here from the left camera. (http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/navcam/2004-03-10/2N132225906EFF1700P1943L0M1.JPG)

Is that white smuge a reflection or lens flare. It appears in the right camera (http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/navcam/2004-03-10/2N132225906EFF1700P1943R0M1.JPG) as well.

johnwitts
2004-Mar-11, 11:24 PM
Is that white smuge a reflection or lens flare. It appears in the right camera (http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/navcam/2004-03-10/2N132225906EFF1700P1943R0M1.JPG) as well.

That's a piece of spaceship from another planet. I'm serious. I'm not messing with you here. NASA has claimed it to be a piece of spaceship from another planet. They have other evidence to back up this claim.

JohnOwens
2004-Mar-11, 11:31 PM
Is that white smuge a reflection or lens flare. It appears in the right camera (http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/navcam/2004-03-10/2N132225906EFF1700P1943R0M1.JPG) as well.

That's a piece of spaceship from another planet. I'm serious. I'm not messing with you here. NASA has claimed it to be a piece of spaceship from another planet. They have other evidence to back up this claim.

:lol: Hmm, you fail to mention which other planet NASA claims it to be from. I'm pretty sure they said something which at least implied this. :wink:

ToSeek
2004-Mar-12, 12:15 AM
I think it will look quite spectacular through pancam. These are black and white navigation camera images, remember how fetureless the landing site looked in those first navcam images? Hopefully they'll do a big colour mosaic of the crater.

According to the press conference, they're going to stick around for a week or two and analyze the heck out of the crater, including full color panoramas and use of the mini-TES.

Manchurian Taikonaut
2004-Mar-12, 12:34 AM
Mars in 3-D

http://www.hazyhills.com/mars3d/spirit/20040310.html

harlequin
2004-Mar-12, 01:31 AM
New March 11 pictures have arrived.

Better image than March 10 (http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/navcam/2004-03-11/2N132319976EFF1800P1816R0M1.JPG).

Also the orbital picture from way back when showing where the heat shield is, etc. can be found here (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spirit/20040311a/09-mg-02-moc-A020R1_br.jpg). NASA really should update it a bit showing the path Spirit took.

ToSeek
2004-Mar-12, 02:01 AM
New March 11 pictures have arrived.

Better image than March 10 (http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/navcam/2004-03-11/2N132319976EFF1800P1816R0M1.JPG).

Also the orbital picture from way back when showing where the heat shield is, etc. can be found here (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spirit/20040311a/09-mg-02-moc-A020R1_br.jpg). NASA really should update it a bit showing the path Spirit took.

This one (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spirit/20040305a/03-ra-01-map-A061R1_br.jpg) is more current, but it's still out-of-date.

Looks from the photo as if Spirit is truly on the rim now.

ToSeek
2004-Mar-12, 02:22 AM
Today's home-style panoramas:

67k version (http://members.wap.org/kevin.parker/images/BonnevilleSol67.jpg)

400k version (http://members.wap.org/kevin.parker/images/BonnevilleSol67large.jpg)

Superluminal
2004-Mar-12, 03:46 AM
Check out this image: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa/gallery/all/2/p/066/2P132218429EFF1600P2283R2M1.JPG

What do yall make of the black stuff that almost looks as if it is oozing out of the ground?

aurora
2004-Mar-12, 03:47 AM
Looks like there might be an outcrop at the very top of the crater, on the extreme right side.

(referring to ToSeek's composite image).

JohnOwens
2004-Mar-12, 03:49 AM
Check out this image: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/066/2P132218429EFF1600P2283R2M1.JPG

What do yall make of the black stuff that almost looks as if it is oozing out of the ground?

URL fix again, looks like you just left off the '.gov'.

outerspacerock
2004-Mar-12, 03:54 AM
Check out this image: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/066/2P132218429EFF1600P2283R2M1.JPG

What do yall make of the black stuff that almost looks as if it is oozing out of the ground?

URL fix again, looks like you just left off the '.gov'.


Wow... :o

I want to see a color image of that...

Joe Durnavich
2004-Mar-12, 04:12 AM
Aren't those just rocks with the dust blown off of them revealing the dark basalt of the rock?

ToSeek
2004-Mar-12, 03:03 PM
Check out this image: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa/gallery/all/2/p/066/2P132218429EFF1600P2283R2M1.JPG

What do yall make of the black stuff that almost looks as if it is oozing out of the ground?

"First thing you know, old MER's a millionaire..."

Drakheim
2004-Mar-12, 03:07 PM
Thar be oil in them thar hills :lol:

ToSeek
2004-Mar-12, 04:23 PM
Aren't those just rocks with the dust blown off of them revealing the dark basalt of the rock?

If you look at the related photos (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit_p066.html), it appears that it's soil that was disturbed by the rover's wheels. This segment is just so rocky that it's hard to tell that.

Joe Durnavich
2004-Mar-12, 06:02 PM
Oh, hey! Wait a minute... There is dark soil!!

johnwitts
2004-Mar-12, 10:13 PM
Oh, hey! Wait a minute... There is dark soil!!

I've heard something like that somewhere before. :)

snabald
2004-Mar-13, 02:38 PM
Check out this image: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/066/2P132218429EFF1600P2283R2M1.JPG

What do yall make of the black stuff that almost looks as if it is oozing out of the ground?

URL fix again, looks like you just left off the '.gov'.

OIL!!! :D

I would like to know what the nature of that stuff is, is it "wet" is it darker sand? Ash? Volcanic glass?

Manchurian Taikonaut
2004-Mar-15, 12:51 PM
here is a great image of the crater


http://www.spacedaily.com/images/mars-mera-bonneville-desk-1024.jpg

:D

ToSeek
2004-Mar-15, 09:11 PM
There's now a color panorama on the MER website. (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html)

Hamlet
2004-Mar-15, 09:20 PM
There's now a color panorama on the MER website. (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html)

Wow! That's absolutely stunning. There looks to be a lot to investigate here, but I'm not sure it's that much different from the environment around Spirit's landing site.

Ryback
2004-Mar-16, 03:24 AM
Do you guys see that shiny object at the other side of the crater, a bit to the left? What is that?

Manchurian Taikonaut
2004-Mar-16, 03:30 AM
harlequin posted a good link show a pic of the heat shield that landed on mars

http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/pancam/2004-03-12/2P132398621EFF1800P2285L6M1.JPG