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EDG
2010-Jun-05, 01:01 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8701959.stm

Watch the video there, at 2:30 there's a portrait of what looks to me like Kim Jong Il (and his son, presumably) standing on.... Mars?!

Seriously?!!

(the rest of the film is an eye-opener, though most likely beyond the scope of discussion on this board. I was just wondering what the story behind that painting could be).

LaurelHS
2010-Jun-05, 01:24 AM
I thought it was just a Korean mountain at sunset or sunrise. Kim Jong-Il was born on a sacred Korean mountain and his birth was heralded by double rainbows and all the birds sang and a new star appeared in the sky . . . okay, he was actually born in Vladivostok, but North Koreans aren't supposed to know that.

01101001
2010-Jun-05, 01:49 AM
An image of the image -- with rubber duckies (http://www.travellingducks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/IMG_2930-350x525.jpg)

No useful hints in the surrounding text: travellingducks.com (http://www.travellingducks.com/)

LaurelHS
2010-Jun-05, 02:10 AM
Those rubber ducks travel more than I do. :cry:

SkepticJ
2010-Jun-05, 03:07 AM
Maybe they're like John Osterman (Dr. Manhattan), and can go anywhere.

01101001
2010-Jun-05, 03:16 AM
It must be a common theme. Here's another similar image, but different, detailed enough to show it's not Mars scenery:

Father and Son Kim Sung Il and Kim Jung Il (http://lh6.ggpht.com/_hXM70CoCRWg/SuDJGMlJz0I/AAAAAAAAAYc/WU7fL7W_nTc/s1600-h/Father%20and%20Son%20Kim%20Sung%20Il%20and%20Kim%2 0Jung%20Il[2].jpg) (from Keeper of Odd Knowledge Blog (http://keeperofoddknowledge.blogspot.com/2009/10/profiles-in-communist-tyranny-great.html), meandering text also bereft of clues to the image contents)

EDG
2010-Jun-05, 04:09 AM
Wait. There's a lake in the background... They're not on Mars, they're on Titan!

*gasp!* :)


(Interesting though. The second image that the 01101001 posted, the Kim on the left looks the same, but the Elder Kim on the right has been altered - he's got a different pose. OK, seriously, it's not another planet, but it darn well might be :). I guess red is the colour of the Revolution or something, so the picture background must be that colour!).

KaiYeves
2010-Jun-05, 11:38 PM
Yeah, the landscape looks Earthly, the colors are just a little odd-looking.

Tuckerfan
2010-Jun-06, 01:31 AM
If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend watching Pulgasari (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulgasari), which is the movie Kim made after kidnapping a Japanese film producer. You get an idea of just how nutty Kim is, since it was he who ordered the kidnapping of the Japanese producer simply so that the producer could make films at Kim's whim.

The news piece linked to in the OP was a pretty lousy piece of journalism, IMHO. The reporter seemed to think that it was "odd" for people to give flowers to Kim's dead father. Does it really seem that odd? (http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/05/25/us/obama.650.1.jpg) She also seemed to be puzzled by the idea that Kim's father could be watching over North Korea. We in the West aren't exactly immune to such ideas. (http://www.tapestryproductions.com/_productimages/framed100342.jpg) Legend has it that the drum of Sir Francis Drake could be heard playing during WWII. (Presumably, summoning zombie Drake from his watery grave off Panama to rise up and feast upon the flesh of Nazis.)

Asking hugely loaded questions of North Koreans in hopes of scoring points on TV is just asking for trouble. Assume for the moment that one of the people had slipped up and said something which proved that they didn't believe the propaganda they were regurgitating for the camera. The first thing that would have happened is that the North Korean police would have confiscated the video, so the footage would never be seen by the outside world. Secondly, they probably would have thrown the reporters in prison, or at least out of the country. Third, the poor sap who slipped up could expect to be executed along with his or her immediate family.

A better (though longer) piece on North Korea, is The Vice Guide to North Korea (http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-guide-to-travel/vice-guide-to-north-korea-1-of-3). You'll see a lot of other weird stuff there in the videos, and examples of Kim's favorite types of performances (he likes musicals). As the narrator of the documentary says, "it's like Andrew Lloyd Webber on acid, and weird." Surreal doesn't even begin to describe what it's like. About the only thing that it didn't have was 200 dancing Elvis impersonators.

It's worth watching just to see the narrator find a Sex Pistols song on the karaoke machine (which was built in South Korea) start singing it and have his hosts just not know how to handle it. Apparently, they had no idea that the song was on the machine, and even though they spoke English, they couldn't quite grasp the concept behind the song.

EDG
2010-Jun-06, 03:12 AM
The reporter seemed to think that it was "odd" for people to give flowers to Kim's dead father. Does it really seem that odd? (http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/05/25/us/obama.650.1.jpg)

Not even remotely the same. They've practically deified the guy, and don't even believe he's dead.


She also seemed to be puzzled by the idea that Kim's father could be watching over North Korea. We in the West aren't exactly immune to such ideas. (http://www.tapestryproductions.com/_productimages/framed100342.jpg)

True, but such ideas aren't really widespread in the West - I don't think that many people genuinely believe that the ghosts of Lincoln and Washington are literally watching over Capitol Hill.

Tuckerfan
2010-Jun-06, 03:36 AM
Not even remotely the same. They've practically deified the guy, and don't even believe he's dead.

Of course, saying that you thought he was dead will get you shot, so honest opinions are rather hard to come by, I'd say.


True, but such ideas aren't really widespread in the West - I don't think that many people genuinely believe that the ghosts of Lincoln and Washington are literally watching over Capitol Hill.

There are any number of people who will claim that God personally speaks to them and/or the President of the US (granted, some people think that Satan is speaking directly to the current President), so its not really much of a stretch. After all Reagan claimed to have been visited by the ghost of Lincoln (IIRC, Clinton said something similar).

LaurelHS
2010-Jun-06, 03:52 AM
True, but such ideas aren't really widespread in the West - I don't think that many people genuinely believe that the ghosts of Lincoln and Washington are literally watching over Capitol Hill.

Actually, Lincoln's ghost (http://204.232.255.211/104/83.html) walks at midnight in Springfield, Illinois (I don't believe this really, I just like poetry).

Cave Dweller
2010-Jun-06, 09:44 AM
I thought it was just a Korean mountain at sunset or sunrise. Kim Jong-Il was born on a sacred Korean mountain and his birth was heralded by double rainbows and all the birds sang and a new star appeared in the sky . . . okay, he was actually born in Vladivostok, but North Koreans aren't supposed to know that.

It was close to Khabarovsk :)

SeanF
2010-Jun-06, 04:23 PM
(granted, some people think that Satan is speaking directly to the current President)
Wasn't really necessary to put the word "current" in there, now, was it? :)

Tuckerfan
2010-Jun-06, 04:28 PM
Wasn't really necessary to put the word "current" in there, now, was it? :)

Well, lets just say that based on my unscientific sampling methods more people seem to be saying that about the current President, than have said it about previous Presidents.

Ara Pacis
2010-Jun-06, 05:03 PM
Well, lets just say that based on my unscientific sampling methods more people seem to be saying that about the current President, than have said it about previous Presidents.

I can't think of any president that they haven't said that about.

Tuckerfan
2010-Jun-06, 05:17 PM
I can't think of any president that they haven't said that about.

Yes, but in the past, the majority of them seemed to be wearing tinfoil hats, or other obvious indicators that they were not in touch with reality. Now, however, I've heard it from a larger segment of the population, most of whom seem perfectly normal until they say such things.

RalofTyr
2010-Jun-08, 05:35 AM
Wait. There's a lake in the background... They're not on Mars, they're on Titan!

*gasp!* :)


Yeah, and they're frozen solid. You can thank the CIA for that.