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WaxRubiks
2010-Aug-05, 04:08 PM
I just had the idea that maybe if you could send atoms down a small wormhole that had some sort of twist in the 4th dimension, so that when the matter re-entered space, maybe close by, it would have reversed topology and become anti matter.

If you take a sphere's surface as a 2D example of the universe(2-sphere) then if you could have a wormhole that went down, into the sphere, and then looped in a higher dimension and re-entered the sphere from the out side then any thing that entered it would then be reversed upon re-entry, so that an 'R' that entered the worm hole would then be a 'я' when it re-entered, and if applied to matter maybe it would turn matter into ant-matter.*

If it could be done cheaply(if at all), it would make good source for energy creation, when annihilated with ordinary matter.

Any way; just an idea..



ETA: maybe it isn't possible; I've been trying to see how it could work with a 1-sphere(circle), and I don't think it would work in that case.


*ETA2: sort of as in this 3D representation of a 4D mobius strip....or what ever it is....

mugaliens
2010-Aug-06, 05:12 AM
It's a klein bottle. Interesting representation, though I prefer a different mental construct, a take-off on the hypertesseract (http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=482). Ignore the claims in the link, as he's by no means the first. I fist saw this in a 1984 3-D DOS program, but it's been a long time since I've ever come across anything nearly as good.

This does it well (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_dimension)it terms of justice, though.

The other was true 3D and a multi-perspective version thereof.

Jens
2010-Aug-06, 05:34 AM
I just had the idea that maybe if you could send atoms down a small wormhole that had some sort of twist in the 4th dimension, so that when the matter re-entered space, maybe close by, it would have reversed topology and become anti matter.


Sounds like a great idea for science fiction. If you are thinking of it as a practical idea, then I can see certain problems, the first one being that we don't know if wormholes actually exist.

mugaliens
2010-Aug-09, 08:37 AM
Sounds like a great idea for science fiction. If you are thinking of it as a practical idea, then I can see certain problems, the first one being that we don't know if wormholes actually exist.

"There is no observational evidence for wormholes, but on a theoretical level there are valid solutions to the equations of the theory of general relativity which contain wormholes." - Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole)

I think it's interesting that wormholes could possibly be prolific, appearing continuously at the quantum scale.

grant hutchison
2010-Aug-09, 11:55 AM
This does it well (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_dimension)it terms of justice, though.I used a similar construction in a little animation (http://www.ghutchison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Hyprcube.mpg) (460 KB mpg) I built back in the days of eight-character filenames. (The animation is intended to loop endlessly, hence its brevity.)
But a trip through a tesseract will bring you back to your starting point unchanged; whereas a trip through a four-dimensional Klein bottle will bring you back mirror-reflected. Arthur C. Clarke used the idea in 1946, in his short story Technical Error: the victim of this reflection was unable to metabolize normal L-amino acids and D-sugars.

Grant Hutchison

caveman1917
2010-Aug-09, 12:35 PM
I used a similar construction in a little animation (http://www.ghutchison.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Hyprcube.mpg) (460 KB mpg) I built back in the days of eight-character filenames. (The animation is intended to loop endlessly, hence its brevity.)
But a trip through a tesseract will bring you back to your starting point unchanged; whereas a trip through a four-dimensional Klein bottle will bring you back mirror-reflected. Arthur C. Clarke used the idea in 1946, in his short story Technical Error: the victim of this reflection was unable to metabolize normal L-amino acids and D-sugars.

Grant Hutchison

If you reformat that into an animated gif, you can simply put it anywhere on a webpage and it will loop continously. No need for the user to have an mpg decoder installed or anything, gif is a web standard all browsers will take. It will probably even end up a lot smaller sized too.

caveman1917
2010-Aug-09, 01:03 PM
I was a bit bored so here (http://i740.photobucket.com/albums/xx45/caveman1917/Hyprcubempg.gif) you go ;)
470kB animated gif, slightly smaller though.

eburacum45
2010-Aug-09, 01:39 PM
Interestingly enough I had the same thought myself for a method of creating antimatter for Orion's Arm a couple of years ago. We didn't use it, as the amount of energy required to create a wormhole in that scenario (and to accelerate matter out of one after the 'hole has been traversed) is so large that the process is not particularly competitive with other methods. If it turns out to be possible to make wormholes fairly easily and make them with a twist and send matter through them reasonably easily as well, then yes; this could be a very good method.

grant hutchison
2010-Aug-09, 03:02 PM
I was a bit bored so here (http://i740.photobucket.com/albums/xx45/caveman1917/Hyprcubempg.gif) you go ;)
470kB animated gif, slightly smaller though.Ah, neat, thanks. :)

Grant Hutchison