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SpaceBrain
2010-Aug-09, 11:34 AM
This (circled area) has sand built up to top the rocks. The rocks around it does not and appears airbrushed to me.

Is there a structure here or is there or just a lot of straight skinny rocks laying parallel to each other?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33294714@N04/4875458330/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33294714@N04/4871700410/

grapes
2010-Aug-09, 12:50 PM
(The second link is a marked up version of the first view)

It just looks like wind blown sand piles to me.

ETA: is that really a Mars pic? There is a couple of pictures in your photostream there that are of the same view, taken with a "Motorola VGA"

Swift
2010-Aug-09, 01:08 PM
It looks completely like wind blow sand and rocks to me. Honestly, it doesn't even make me hesitate for a moment (as some natural formations do).

The apparent right angle is actually a little more striking than the parallel lines, though neither is uncommon in natural formations. The park I volunteer in on a regular basis has a shale layer that commonly breaks up into rectangular blocks.

You also have to be careful in assuming that what looks like parallel or perpendicular lines in a photo really are. Depending upon the details of how the photo was taken, such things often get distorted. One way to tell is to look at other photos taken of the same site, but from other perspectives.

It would help a lot if you would actually reference the original photo. I assume it is from one of the Mars rovers, but some more detail would be good.

SpaceBrain
2010-Aug-09, 01:25 PM
Yes it's a Spirit rover panorama pic, at the Bonneville crater so there is no other angles to view- I have shots in the photo stream of my monitor from my camera- why cause I had trouble with "screenshot" and the marked up pic with arrows show the long skinny rocks that form a ?

SpaceBrain
2010-Aug-09, 01:32 PM
I am realizing that it may be nothing but what I see in that blurred area is so different than whats around it. Here is where everyone can go see it-
It's on Google Mars- Mars Spirit at the Bonneville Crater

Once you are looking across the Crater:

(Do not tilt the camera up or down until you find the boards)
Use the "hand" to pan right (about 90 degrees)
Where the flat area begins to drop into the Crater
Stop- when you see two very similar, football size, black rocks (about 10 feet away from the Rover)
You will see the airbrushed area directly above these two rocks (the size of a dime)
Zoom in- once or twice and you will see the "doorway"

I put a tack in that spot and it read:

Latitude: 14 degrees "33'55.24"S

Longitude: 175 degrees "28'46.56"E

I hope you enjoy it, Mitch

R.A.F.
2010-Aug-10, 11:53 PM
You will see the airbrushed area directly above these two rocks (the size of a dime) Zoom in- once or twice and you will see the "doorway".

By what criteria did you determine that the area was "airbrushed"?...and a "doorway"??

I think you are reading more into this image than is actually there.

SpaceBrain
2010-Aug-11, 04:56 AM
By what criteria did you determine that the area was "airbrushed"?...and a "doorway"??

I think you are reading more into this image than is actually there.

Precisely the point R.A.F. I am asking you to look at this picture and tell me what you see. Natural or Artificial?

I said "doorway" as some sort of reference, so you could see it in the panorama.

NEOWatcher
2010-Aug-11, 11:55 AM
I am realizing that it may be nothing but what I see in that blurred area is so different than whats around it. Here is where everyone can go see it-
It's on Google Mars...
Google? Blurred area? Nope, not even worth searching.

Google works by stitching photos together, this means different pictures at different angles, different distances, and different formats (mostly lossy) need to somehow come together. Whether it's along the stitch lines, or differences between pictures, there will be blurring that is not in the original picture.

Gillianren
2010-Aug-11, 05:24 PM
Precisely the point R.A.F. I am asking you to look at this picture and tell me what you see. Natural or Artificial?

Okay, but the point here ought to be what you see and what you can show it means.


I said "doorway" as some sort of reference, so you could see it in the panorama.

But aren't you then putting your own interpretation on it?

R.A.F.
2010-Aug-11, 05:33 PM
Precisely the point R.A.F. I am asking you to look at this picture and tell me what you see. Natural or Artificial?

OK...natural...now can you answer my question re. explain the reasoning that lead you to believe that an area of the image had been "airbrushed"?


I said "doorway" as some sort of reference, so you could see it in the panorama.

Then you should have said "3rd rock from the left", or "clear area near the large rock". Using the term "doorway" implies something that just isn't there...

djellison
2010-Aug-11, 05:48 PM
Yes it's a Spirit rover panorama pic, at the Bonneville crater so there is no other angles to view-

There are PLENTY of other angles to view if you want to bother looking for them

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/panoramas/spirit/2004.html

The Mar 15th Pan includes the region you're talking about

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spirit/20040316a/site19_navcam_cyl_L-A072R1_br2.jpg - this is just a couple of days later looking at nearby dunes.

If you were even slightly serious about looking at this stuff - you would have downloaded an installed Midnight Mars Browser to see the path of the rover overlaied on this imagery, identified other points at which the rover saw the target you are interested in. You will find the raw frames that made the color image you have cropped from here - http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit_p068.html starting just over half way down.

Are you interested in researching this - or are you just interested in pointing at images and shouting 'DOOR'. 'SKULL'. 'AIRBRUSHED'. How you could get to the point you are already at without the smallest amount of research is frankly, astonishing.

Swift
2010-Aug-11, 05:58 PM
This (circled area) has sand built up to top the rocks. The rocks around it does not and appears airbrushed to me.

Is there a structure here or is there or just a lot of straight skinny rocks laying parallel to each other?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33294714@N04/4875458330/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33294714@N04/4871700410/
SpaceBrain,

You presented this (other than the "airbrushed" comment) as "I'm just asking". Everyone who has participated in this thread has answered that this is just a natural formation.

It is time to, as they say, to "cut the cards".

If you are just asking, your question has been answered. If you are advocating that this is something else, either an artificial structure, and/or some NASA cover-up is involved, then you need to clearly state that and start presenting evidence of it.

Your next post needs to address this point. Consider this an official moderator demand.

SpaceBrain
2010-Aug-11, 08:34 PM
There are PLENTY of other angles to view if you want to bother looking for them

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/panoramas/spirit/2004.html

The Mar 15th Pan includes the region you're talking about

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spirit/20040316a/site19_navcam_cyl_L-A072R1_br2.jpg - this is just a couple of days later looking at nearby dunes.

If you were even slightly serious about looking at this stuff - you would have downloaded an installed Midnight Mars Browser to see the path of the rover overlaied on this imagery, identified other points at which the rover saw the target you are interested in. You will find the raw frames that made the color image you have cropped from here - http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit_p068.html starting just over half way down.

Are you interested in researching this - or are you just interested in pointing at images and shouting 'DOOR'. 'SKULL'. 'AIRBRUSHED'. How you could get to the point you are already at without the smallest amount of research is frankly, astonishing.

I thank you for your research that you have done here. I couldn't find the raw frame on that site when I looked for it last week. I guess it's nothing but a bunch of rocks, so in the future I will be not be shouting out anything.

SpaceBrain
2010-Aug-11, 08:43 PM
I agree this post was incomplete and frustrating for everyone, do to my obvious inexperience. I will not make the same mistake again.

Please delete this or lock the thread, I see now that it is pointless.

Swift
2010-Aug-11, 09:03 PM
We only delete threads if they are spam or contain illegal or immoral material. But since this discussion seems to be done, I will close the thread. If anyone has a good reason for it to be reopened, please Report this post.