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Jim
2010-Sep-05, 04:47 AM
You may be aware that Guillermo Del Toro is planning to make a 3D film of H.P. Lovecraft's At The Mountains of Madness; James Cameron will produce.

And Tom Cruise will star.
http://www.examiner.com/comedy-in-national/will-tom-cruise-drop-his-les-grossman-comedy-to-appear-guillermo-del-toro-s-3d-epic

I did mention that this is a horror film, right?

baric
2010-Sep-05, 04:49 AM
Tom Cruise may be a nutter, but the man can act.

Let's hope they can pull this off as a horror film, especially since the genre has progressed far beyond its origins with Lovecraft.

Romanus
2010-Sep-05, 05:32 AM
Guillermo del Toro is one of my favorite directors; I expect a masterpiece.

captain swoop
2010-Sep-05, 07:00 PM
At thwe Mountains of Madness is my fave Lovecraft story. I hope they stick with the plot and period.

Trakar
2010-Sep-05, 07:58 PM
At thwe Mountains of Madness is my fave Lovecraft story. I hope they stick with the plot and period.

A big fan of Lovecraft myself, to me the plot is more important that keeping it in the period. I've just seen too many of Lovecraft's pieces rendered unrecognizable by film-makers that I get a sense of dread when ever I hear of one being made for big or small screen.

HenrikOlsen
2010-Sep-06, 10:22 AM
A really big problem with filming Lovecraft is that a major part of his impact is in the language of the written page, which simply don't have a parallel in a visual medium.

tnjrp
2010-Sep-06, 12:21 PM
Tom Cruise will star.

I did mention that this is a horror film, right?If they get Madonna on board as well then it'll have to be Unrated...

On the plus side, Cruise has plenty of experience running in his films so he should look convincing in the Shoggoth-chasing-the-protagonist scenes.

Seriously tho, I have great confidence in Del Toro's ability to pull off stunts like directing a Lovecraft movie that's true to the spirit of the original work. Hopefully Cameron and Cruise (who'll likely end up producing as well) don't manage to dictate the direction or worse yet, drive Del Toro out of his own pet project... Unless they replace him with Stuart Gordon in which case there'll still be some hope :razz:

baric
2010-Sep-06, 03:59 PM
A big fan of Lovecraft myself, to me the plot is more important that keeping it in the period. I've just seen too many of Lovecraft's pieces rendered unrecognizable by film-makers that I get a sense of dread when ever I hear of one being made for big or small screen.

At least they got that part of Lovecraft right!

megrfl
2010-Sep-06, 04:11 PM
The writer of the link nailed it, Cruise would be a fool to pass up this film in favor of the Les Grossman comedy. Les Grossman in small doses, ok, but 90 minutes? no thanks.

swampyankee
2010-Sep-06, 04:36 PM
If they get Madonna on board as well then it'll have to be Unrated...


Will she play Shoggoth?

Trakar
2010-Sep-06, 05:08 PM
A really big problem with filming Lovecraft is that a major part of his impact is in the language of the written page, which simply don't have a parallel in a visual medium.

That's a translation issue for all too many of the good and great literary pieces. It takes a good director to overcome the limitations of film and tape.

captain swoop
2010-Sep-07, 07:18 PM
A good book doesn't always make a good film. A good film from a good book doesn't have to be a literal visual depiction of the book. Wizard of Oz is a good example. as are Mary Poppins and Gone With the Wind.

Jim
2010-Sep-07, 08:31 PM
Yeah, like, in the novel GWTW, the South won.

Seriously, I don't mind if a movie - based on a book or novel - stays 100% faithful to the story, just as long as it is faithful to the source.

Del Toro will very likely stay true to the feel of the source. I think he's a good choice to bring to the screen a story that is rooted deeply in the ambiance.

Cruise is a good actor, unless he suddenly realizes he's acting. Then his performance becomes one-dimensional. And in a 3D movie, that would be disastrous.

Solfe
2010-Sep-09, 02:42 AM
I am going to have to see this one, no matter how much I dislike Tom Cruise.
I dislike Tom Cruise, mostly for being in that wreck called "War of the Worlds". I can't believe how much I disliked that movie even with good effect, all of the good actors and actresses and being good sci-fi. Wrecked a perfectly H.G. Wells story.

"It is most illogical." :)

Solfe

invisible
2010-Sep-09, 03:14 AM
Thats my second favourite Lovecraft story after 'Call of Cthulhu". I think I've read all of his short stories. Even some of the weird early dreamscape stuff. Lets hope it doesn't end up like that 'Dagon' debacle. Not the best horror I ever watched. Had almost nothing to do with the original tale. Cheap B-grade stuff. Atleast this one sounds like it will have a fairly hefty budget. The murals on the walls will be interesting to see.

tnjrp
2010-Sep-09, 06:18 AM
Hmm, I OTOH found Dagon actually fairly true to the spirit of the original (which, somewhat confusingly, was The Shadow Over Insmouth of course -- perhaps they decided to go with a title that can be used as is in Spain where the film was shot and in the English-speaking world) and reasonably well done for the shoestring budget it had :think:

captain swoop
2010-Sep-10, 02:45 PM
I liked War of the Worlds, just about the only think I like Cruise in.

Buttercup
2010-Sep-10, 06:13 PM
Tom Cruise in Vanilla Sky forever! :) His best role, imo.

Don't care for Lovecraft. Tried reading him around 10 years ago...blech.

Noclevername
2010-Sep-12, 12:19 PM
Will Cruise be playing Cthulhu?

tnjrp
2010-Sep-13, 06:18 AM
Chtulhu isn't in ATMOM.

I hear Cruise has a role in a live action My Little Cthulhu children's show tho. He's the right size to play MLC.

parallaxicality
2010-Sep-14, 09:01 PM
I think you mean The Adventures of Lil Cthulu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOHJUrcVdJk)

Personally, I prefer Hey There Cthulu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxScTbIUvoA), but that's just me.

Any adaptation of ATMOM that stayed true to the story would be considered a ripoff of "The Thing", since "The Thing" was basically a ripoff of ATMOM.

I'm just hoping there aren't any six-foot penguins.

Or shuggoths going "Tikka-ti-lee! Tikka-ti-lee!"

Or unknown script that magically translates itself (a common problem in Lovecraft, who seemed to have very naive ideas about what it takes to decipher other languages).

Paul Beardsley
2010-Sep-14, 09:14 PM
Chtulhu isn't in ATMOM.

I thought the race of Cthulhus was a major part of the revealed history.



Or unknown script that magically translates itself (a common problem in Lovecraft, who seemed to have very naive ideas about what it takes to decipher other languages).

Weren't the "writings" in Madness in the form of pictograms?

parallaxicality
2010-Sep-14, 10:31 PM
Yes, like heiroglyphs, which were only translated after a few years' work with the Rosetta Stone.

Nowhere Man
2010-Sep-15, 02:46 AM
Nah, the pictures were more like dioramas or historical paintings. The Old Ones' writing was groups of dots.

Fred

tnjrp
2010-Sep-15, 07:54 AM
Indeed they had "dotted surfaces forming their books". Wikipedia mentions "hieroglyphic murals" that Dyer and Danforth interpreted, whatever that means. Can't recall the specifics. Which leads nicely into...
I thought the race of Cthulhus was a major part of the revealed history...at least one of us not remembering the story :)

I recall "star spawn" mentioned in passing but I don't recall them being in any means integral to the story.

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I think you mean The Adventures of Lil Cthulu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOHJUrcVdJk)

Personally, I prefer Hey There Cthulu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxScTbIUvoA), but that's just meNope: http://dreamlandtoyworks.com/my_little_cthulhu.html

AndreasJ
2010-Sep-15, 08:39 AM
I recall "star spawn" mentioned in passing but I don't recall them being in any means integral to the story.

I'd say they get mentioned rather more than in passing (and Big C is name-dropped), but you could excise them without changing the essentials of the story. You'd have to include some of the Old Ones' ancient enemies, tho.

tnjrp
2010-Sep-15, 08:44 AM
I don't see why you'd absolutely needed to do that unless they actually feature in the events unfolding (which I still much doubt), but to itch his own of course.

AndreasJ
2010-Sep-15, 09:51 AM
An adaption of AtMoM that concentrated solely on the "events unfolding", ignoring the Old Ones' history, would to me be besides the point.

ETA: But it's only something they "have" to do if they want to perserve (what I perceive as) the essentials of the story. Lots of movie adaptions don't.

tnjrp
2010-Sep-15, 10:07 AM
An adaption of AtMoM that concentrated solely on the "events unfolding", ignoring the Old Ones' history, would to me be besides the pointObviously, but IMCO the crux of the ATMOM story is that Elder Things originated life on Earth in a sort of ultimate "ancient astronauts" scenario, not that there was other aliens around as well. That is the main element that should be preserved.

That, and penquins ;)

Paul Beardsley
2010-Nov-05, 03:12 PM
If, like me, you enjoy audio adaptations of books, check this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00vpkkt/episodes/player) out.

It's a straight reading of the novel. Abridged, but not savagely - the reading is over two hours long. There are spot effects, including the sound of a plane's propellor engines in the background, music which is not particularly original, but which adds to the atmosphere, and one character's voice is treated to sound as if he's reporting by radio (which he is), which adds a surprising amount of subtle drama.

I'm halfway through episode 3 of 5, and thoroughly enjoying it.

ngc3314
2010-Nov-05, 05:54 PM
Speaking of audio, the Atlanta Radio Theatre Company (http://www.artc.org/) has recorded a very credible soundscaped audio adaptation (which I finally got to see performed live this year).

Nowhere Man
2010-Nov-05, 11:32 PM
And the HPLHS did a "radio" adaptation (http://www.cthulhulives.org/radio/DART/dart-atmom.html) a few years ago.

Fred

captain swoop
2010-Nov-07, 12:29 PM
good find, how did I miss that? I listen to Radio7 all the time

publiusr
2010-Nov-15, 10:30 PM
Personally, I prefer Hey There Cthulu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxScTbIUvoA), but that's just me.

I like the image of him sprawled out with empty liquor bottles. Man, things must really be bad to get him down...

tnjrp
2011-Mar-09, 10:59 AM
Meanwhile in the bad news, the Del Toro movie's not gonna happen, at least not in the short term:
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Guillermo-Del-Toro-s-At-The-Mountains-Of-Madness-Is-Dead-23536.html

Jim
2011-Mar-09, 05:33 PM
Good news-bad news. No movie, but at least no Tom Cruise starring in it.

captain swoop
2011-Mar-11, 01:01 AM
the latter more than compensates for the former.

publiusr
2011-Mar-19, 06:03 PM
The Thing Prequel will have to do for now.
http://www.outpost31.com/index2.html

Romanus
2011-Mar-19, 06:10 PM
^
Speaking of The Thing...it was only recently that I came the the realization that that movie (and more so the story it's based on) and Alien vs. Predator are thinly-veiled spiritual companions of Lovecraft's work.

parallaxicality
2011-Mar-19, 06:24 PM
The plot of AVP was borrowed from the original plot of Alien, which made it as far as pre-production. In the original draft, the crew encountered the remains of three alien races, not two. The pilot alien left a mark on his computer that led the crew to an abandoned pyramid-shaped temple. In it, we see the heiroglyphs left by the indigenous inhabitants of the planet; a primitive race with a technological level akin to ancient Egypt. As the crew made their way into the bowels of the pyramid, the heiroglyphs revealed the Aliens' lifecycle, and also that the indigenous people sacrificed themselves to them in religious rites. Kane found the eggs lying on an altar, awaiting their next sacrifice.

The Alien series has always been very Lovecraft inspired. Giger draws heavily from Lovecraft; heck, the Alien's design was taken from a painting Giger did called "Necronom #IV".

Here is Giger's concept art for the heiroglyphs (http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/3/20287.jpg)

Here's Giger's art for the pyramid (http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/199/e/e/Giger_Concept_Art_for_Alien_by_TheOldOne81.jpg)

captain swoop
2011-Mar-19, 08:08 PM
link doesn't work

parallaxicality
2011-Mar-19, 08:39 PM
try it now.

EDIT: Found the pyramid!

Hills Cloud
2011-Jul-27, 12:49 AM
That sucks big time.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1118070/board/nest/179451810

there is an internet campaign starting to try and keep it going but I think delToro should just try another studio. Universal were a bad choice.

captain swoop
2011-Jul-27, 09:14 AM
Well, it isn't Sophomoric comedy, based on a Superhero comic or a remake of an earlier and better classic movie so it stands no chance.

vonmazur
2011-Jul-28, 12:34 AM
I was hoping for "Captain America meet Thor"...or "Loki takes Hollywood"

Dale

Hills Cloud
2011-Jul-29, 03:52 AM
Thor would kick his butt. His hammer would turn that dustbin lid into schrapnell. :)

HenrikOlsen
2011-Jul-29, 04:53 AM
They're on the same side and Cap's one of the very few people who has been worthy enough, and thus able, to lift Thor's hammer.

Hills Cloud
2011-Jul-29, 05:19 AM
Never read that particular comic. Just saw the movie 'Captain America' a couple of hours ago. Not usually a fan of war movies but it wasn't bad. Liked the ending. Asleep for 70 years. I wonder if his girlfriend is still alive. Her grandchildren might be around his biological age.

If Thors hammer was really forged from the embers of a dying star like in the movie then I don't understand how any technology could lift it. In fact it couldn't even rest in its own crater but should tunnel down to the earths core under the weight of its neutronium.

Paul Beardsley
2011-Jul-29, 05:45 AM
Hmm. I've just looked at this thread for any news/discussion of the Lovecraft-inspired movie, and instead I get a spoiler for another (new) movie.

Hills Cloud
2011-Jul-29, 08:50 AM
I'm afraid we're still stuck with 'Dagon'. The 'B' grade one.