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Terry Giblin
2010-Dec-02, 02:33 AM
The Universe - Pulsars & Quasars (http://www.megavideo.com/?v=HY7F2655)

People do this for a living, how do I apply?

Light in, Light out.

Terry Giblin
2010-Dec-03, 10:06 PM
Here is the only 'image' or 'picture' I had, at the time, of a Quasar.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2796/terrygiblin3c273.jpg

The rest came from applying some, maths & physics, I had learned.

"That's the way nature works, ... If you don't like it? Go somewhere else. To another universe...." - Richard Feynman.

Light in, Light out.

pzkpfw
2010-Dec-03, 10:38 PM
Terry Giblin, could you please explain carefully what you are up to here? These cryptic seagull posts you are making lately are going to earn you an infraction.

Terry Giblin
2010-Dec-04, 02:33 PM
Terry Giblin, could you please explain carefully what you are up to here? These cryptic seagull posts you are making lately are going to earn you an infraction.

Dear pzkpfw,

I know this might sound strange but all I am doing is trying to start a conversation about Quasars, which I have been studying for the past 25 years.

As per my previous post, when I first started studying Quasars in 1986, all I had to go on is the picture shown above and what Jocelyn Bell (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/109846-What-does-a-Pulsar-look-like?highlight=) discovered in 1965.

But thats the beauty, of Maths and Physics, based on these two discoveries (and others) anyone how is willing to learn and understand the mathematics and physics as I have, will come to the same ultimate conclusion, which allows us to make further predictions and to prove or disprove any other theory.

I have spent 25 years studying Quasars, from a purely applying mathematics and physics point of view, but I can say with 100% confidence that the majority of what was said in the program is true, according to our known understanding of maths and physics.

The program explains in minutes, what took me several years to prove independently.

Imagine taking someone's 'lifes work' and explaining it in a few minutes......

Everyone can now see, what I have worked out and dreamed about for 20 years.

Any questions?

Light in, Light out.

Nereid
2010-Dec-04, 03:07 PM
The Universe - Pulsars & Quasars (http://www.megavideo.com/?v=HY7F2655)

People do this for a living, how do I apply?

Light in, Light out.
I clicked on the link and got a webpage that seems like an advertisement for something called MegaVideo ("MegaUpload ... ALL FREE!")

Is this what you had intended?

Nereid
2010-Dec-04, 03:11 PM
Dear pzkpfw,

I know this might sound strange but all I am doing is trying to start a conversation about Quasars, which I have been studying for the past 25 years.

As per my previous post, when I first started studying Quasars in 1986, all I had to go on is the picture shown above and what Jocelyn Bell (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/109846-What-does-a-Pulsar-look-like?highlight=) discovered in 1965.
What do pulsars have to do with quasars?


But thats the beauty, of Maths and Physics, based on these two discoveries (and others) anyone how is willing to learn and understand the mathematics and physics as I have, will come to the same ultimate conclusion, which allows us to make further predictions and to prove or disprove any other theory.

Are you referring to something that is to be found in astronomy, astrophysics (and related) papers, published in relevant peer-reviewed journals?



I have spent 25 years studying Quasars, from a purely applying mathematics and physics point of view, but I can say with 100% confidence that the majority of what was said in the program is true, according to our known understanding of maths and physics.

The program explains in minutes, what took me several years to prove independently.

Imagine taking someone's 'lifes work' and explaining it in a few minutes......

Everyone can now see, what I have worked out and dreamed about for 20 years.

Any questions?

Light in, Light out.
Yes ... what program (presumably just a few minutes' long)?

Terry Giblin
2010-Dec-04, 03:29 PM
The Universe - Pulsars & Quasars (http://www.megavideo.com/?v=HY7F2655)

megavideo is just one of many sites which allow you to download movies and documentries for free.

Simply click on red and then green dot and the movie will start.

Terry Giblin
2010-Dec-04, 03:58 PM
What do pulsars have to do with quasars?

It was the discovery of Pulsars which also lead to the discovery of Quasars.

When Jocelyn Bell (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/109846-What-does-a-Pulsar-look-like?highlight=) first discovered Pulsars, the race was on to find as any many as possible.

Several new Pulsars were discovered, using radio telescopes, but when they studied further at different wavelengths, another new discovery was also made.

Quasars were discovered, some having the same properties as Pulsars, ie fast rotating bodies, but at much further distances and red shifts and therefore far larger and more powerful than Pulsars.


Are you referring to something that is to be found in astronomy, astrophysics (and related) papers, published in relevant peer-reviewed journals?

I have read most of them but I have never written or published any of my own work, if that is what you are asking, apart from my 'A Mathematical Model of a Quasar' - which I used "IAU Symposium No. 119, Quasars", as my primary reference.


Yes ... what program (presumably just a few minutes' long)?

The documentary above, in 1 hour explains everything I have taken years to prove and convience myself of, using only the accepted laws of mathematics and physics.

StupendousMan
2010-Dec-04, 05:31 PM
It was the discovery of Pulsars which also lead to the discovery of Quasars.


Observation of a Rapidly Pulsating Radio Source (http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1968Natur.217..709H), Hewish et al., Nature, vol 217, pp 709-713, 1968.

Large Redshifts of Five Quasi-Stellar Sources (http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1965ApJ...141.1295S), Schmidt, ApJ, vol 141, pp. 1295-1300, 1965.

Your first statement is demonstrably, obviously false. Is there any reason we should continue reading your argument?

Terry Giblin
2010-Dec-04, 05:45 PM
Observation of a Rapidly Pulsating Radio Source (http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1968Natur.217..709H), Hewish et al., Nature, vol 217, pp 709-713, 1968.

Large Redshifts of Five Quasi-Stellar Sources (http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1965ApJ...141.1295S), Schmidt, ApJ, vol 141, pp. 1295-1300, 1965.

Thank you, for this additional information, you learn something new every day.

But unless I am mistaken, Jocelyn Bell and her colleagues were given credit for discovering Pulsars, as indicated in this recent documentary, Jocelyn Bell describes how she discovered pulsars 1965 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKtnaTxLARc).

In fact the reference you give is the same one I used, Jocelyn Bell, originally. Now they have even made a documentary to celebrate the fact, Nature 1965.

Nereid
2010-Dec-04, 06:36 PM
I thought Maarten Schmidt's discovery (astoundingly large redshift, for a 13 mag object; 3C273) was made in 1963 ...

By 1965 lots of astronomers were on the trail of quasi-stellar radio sources, and Sandage had even found his first 'quasi-stellar galaxy' (an AGN, in today's lingo) ...

Terry Giblin
2010-Dec-04, 06:52 PM
The discovery of 3C273, by Maarten Schmidt and the discovery of Pulsars, by Jocelyn Bell were what kicked started the search and investigation into what became known as Quasars.

ngc3314
2010-Dec-04, 07:24 PM
Since the first quasar redshifts were identified and published in 1963, while pulsars were discovered at least two years later (whether you count Jocelyn Bell or the USAF radar operator in Alaska), there is no particular relevance of the discovery of pulsars to the gold rush of quasar studies that only intensified into the 1960s.

I agree with some other posters - I am not going to go into an unknown video-hosting site and wade through some video of unknown length to comment. Do you have a summary of the points you want to make?

Terry Giblin
2010-Dec-04, 07:45 PM
Yes watch the video.... I just found it funny that a persons life work and effort can be summed up in a 1 hour documentary... the power of technology ..... the power of the internet.

Swift
2010-Dec-04, 08:35 PM
Yes watch the video.... I just found it funny that a persons life work and effort can be summed up in a 1 hour documentary... the power of technology ..... the power of the internet.
It would appear that the video is a History Channel program, though I only watched the first few minutes. Like a lot of History Channel material it seems more interested in entertaining than informing. Terry Giblin, you've mentioned the video multiple times. If people want to watch it fine, but you can't make it a requirement for this discussion. Going forward, please just discuss things in your own words.

nota
2010-Dec-05, 08:53 AM
so what do we know of these strange beasties

there is at least one black hole in a quasar
there is a disk of matter around the hole
there are jets
they are very far away and long ago
there is a huge amount of energy produced

Shaula
2010-Dec-05, 10:32 AM
Quasars were discovered, some having the same properties as Pulsars, ie fast rotating bodies, but at much further distances and red shifts and therefore far larger and more powerful than Pulsars.
Did I miss something? Quasars don't rotate fast AIUI. They vary their brightness quickly enough that they cannot be a large body or group of bodies (hence the black hole identification) but nothing like as fast as pulsars. In fact there are very, very few points of similarity between the two AIUI. One is an enormous active galactic nucleus and the other a tiny remnant of a star. What points of similarity are you thinking of?

Cougar
2010-Dec-05, 06:02 PM
In fact there are very, very few points of similarity between the two...

...and many points of dissimilarity, not the least of which is the fact that one phenomenon generates the emission we detect due to gravitationally accelerating (sometimes nonuniform) matter to near light speed into the object, and the other generates the emission by "electromagnetically" accelerating matter to near light speed away from the object.

Terry Giblin
2010-Dec-05, 07:28 PM
Quasars in a nutshell:
Quasars - Super Massive Black Holes (http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/7614/terrygiblinquasars.jpg)

Various Models:
Spherical Accretion onto a Black Hole (http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/297/pict1020y.jpg)
Electrified Black Holes (http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/80/pict10210.jpg)
Dynamo Model (http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6176/pict10220.jpg)
Accretion Disks (http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6285/pict1023.jpg)

Reference's
Reference books: (http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/4048/schoolbooks.jpg) Reference page 1, (http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5890/references1.jpg) Reference page 2. (http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1092/references2.jpg)

slang
2010-Dec-06, 08:15 AM
What is Schwcurzschild? Those references look slightly dated. What are you trying to achieve by showing these pictures? I don't think they answer any of the questions asked.

tusenfem
2010-Dec-06, 09:03 AM
Terry Giblin, you will now come with a complete and accurate description of what you want to discuss. Please get the basics right, if you have been studying quasars for the last 25 years and give Jocelyn Bell as the discoverer of these objects, then apparently you have done very little in 25 years, because you could find the details about quasars and pulsars in any introductory or popular astronomy book.

An infraction is given for not presenting anything substantive after specifically asked for it by a moderator. Just links of book page scans is NOT a discussion.

Dean Whitehead
2010-Dec-06, 09:11 AM
some tell me if i am wrong but a Quasars comes from a black hole when it is "eating to much"( e.g. nebulas/galaxys/stars) and it has to eject it out and you get two streams on energy from its north and south thats a Quasar right or wrong??

tusenfem
2010-Dec-06, 05:39 PM
I forgot to close this thread as Terry Giblin is taking a short break.