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parallaxicality
2010-Dec-24, 01:26 PM
This has apparently been mentioned on the main news channels as well (http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/22-12-2010/116314-giant_spaceships-0/)

This one has more concrete background info (http://www.examiner.com/ufo-in-canada/3-very-large-objects-space-flying-to-earth)

Nowhere Man
2010-Dec-24, 02:28 PM
Toseeked. (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/110333-3-Very-Large-Objects-In-Space-Flying-To-Earth)

Fred

Alan G. Archer
2010-Dec-26, 12:21 AM
This has apparently been mentioned on the main news channels as well (http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/22-12-2010/116314-giant_spaceships-0/)

This one has more concrete background info (http://www.examiner.com/ufo-in-canada/3-very-large-objects-space-flying-to-earth)

This thread can be merged with "3 Very Large Objects In Space Flying To Earth (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/110333-3-Very-Large-Objects-In-Space-Flying-To-Earth)."

Parallaxicality, the Pravda article cited Nezavisimaya Gazeta as the source for their translated, republished article, but they did not provide the specific URL for the original Russian article. The original Russian article is by geologist Dr. Alexander M. Portnov. His article, "Чужой монастырь под названием 'Космос' (http://www.ng.ru/science/2010-12-22/12_space.html)," was published on Dec. 22, 2010.

In his two Dec. 4, 2010, blog posts, Sky-Map.org's Sergei Goshko (http://blog.sky-map.org/) noted the increased traffic to his site as a result of the latest round of giant-UFOs-heading-to-Earth stories. I concur with him that the latest hoax stories had their origins in Russia and Eastern Europe. More specifically, I have pinpointed what I believe to be the source material that hacks like Andrew Wozny at the Examiner.com and others have repeated and/or modified. The material is from a cheesy Russian online tabloid called Экспресс газета (Express Newspaper). The hoax article by Artem Stotsky, "К Земле движется армада гигантских НЛО," was published by the tabloid on Nov. 22, 2010. The article has since been translated with software, Google Translate or Dictionary.com Translator, into at least five other languages: English, Spanish, French, Italian, and Dutch.

A more recent iteration of the story has SETI astronomers using HAARP to track the UFOs. On Dec. 5, 2010, one poster to a Latvian discussion board (http://www.spoki.lv/mistika/NLO-uzbruk/239693) wrote that SETI was tracking the alien spaceships via HAARP (http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/) and said that mass hysteria from these revelations will be inevitable.

Additional reading:
"К Земле летят гигантские космические корабли инопланетян: рождение мифа (http://wwint.alfamoon.com/index.php?mod=news&act=show&id=284)" (Russian to English Google Translate version of "By the Earth fly giant spaceships aliens: the birth of the myth" here (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwwint.alfamoon.com%2Finde x.php%3Fmod%3Dnews%26act%3Dshow%26id%3D284&sl=ru&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8).)

Maha Vailo
2010-Dec-26, 02:00 AM
Good golly. All this mass hysteria from 3 printer's errors.

Have the Russians truly forgot one of their most famous proverbs? "Trust, but verify"? Seems ike there's too much of the former and not enough of the latter.

- Maha "a lie can go around the world...." Vailo

Nowhere Man
2010-Dec-26, 02:05 AM
More like, "In Pravda there is no news, and in Isvestia there is no truth."

Dews

vonmazur
2010-Dec-26, 07:15 AM
Dews: Now write that in Russkii!!! I cannot get this computer to do Kryillic letters....."V' Izhvetia nye Pravdye...."

Dale

Tenshu
2010-Dec-26, 07:49 AM
so basically some people didn't apparently want to give up on those three false findings, how sad as it's now going to cause uneeded chaos.

Nowhere Man
2010-Dec-28, 03:26 AM
And in this article (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/12/27/giant-spaceships-to-attack-december-2012/), the BA gives this ridiculous story a good stomping.

Fred

MAPNUT
2010-Dec-28, 04:03 PM
and said that mass hysteria from these revelations will be inevitable.

But why? I think we'd all enjoy a good distraction.

Alan G. Archer
2010-Dec-29, 12:17 AM
But why? I think we'd all enjoy a good distraction.

True.

Appearing on the same day as Artem Stotsky's viral article, Alexander Boyko's Nov. 22, 2010, article, "К Земле приближаются гигантские космические корабли (http://skuky.net/39840)," was not as widely disseminated. And the Latvian poster's addition of HAARP to the mix can be traced back to at least to Oct. 13, 2010, to the site Pronlo.net (http://pronlo.net/main/2497-gigantskie-kosmicheskie-korabli-dvizhutsya-k-zemle.html).

Were did these nutty stories come from? The seeds for the current crop of nonsense may have been planted by the Project Camelot (http://projectcamelotportal.com/) folks in late 2009. These two sightings were reported to MUFON (http://www.mufon.com/):

Dec. 12, 2009: "Reported 1.5 mln miles off the South Pole a 20 mile craft (http://mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/manage_sighting_reports.pl?mode=view_long_desc&id=20968&rnd=863381293579711)"
Jan. 16, 2010: "Invading fleet detected on WWT off South Pole region. (http://mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/manage_sighting_reports.pl?mode=view_long_desc&id=21519&rnd=862271293579530)"

The Above Top Secret forum has two threads concerning the two sightings reported to MUFON: "MUFON Report: Very large Mothership or planetary 20-mile structure coming in 18 degrees RA of Neptun[e] (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread526209/pg1)" and "MUFON: Invading ET/Alien fleet detected near Saturn? (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread535174/pg1)"

The Weekly World News has their take on the hoax story, "ALIEN SPACESHIPS TO ATTACK EARTH IN 2011 (http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/26535/alien-spaceships-to-attack-earth-in-2011/)," published on the same day as the BA's article. Coincidence?

Tenshu
2010-Dec-29, 01:36 AM
geez someone needs to stop this madness pronto.

chrlzs
2010-Dec-29, 07:48 AM
geez someone needs to stop this madness pronto.
But it won't stop - indeed it is hard to see how it can do anything but increase. We have an Interweb that encourages anonymity, accessible to an increasing percentage of the population, be they gullible or not.. Plus people like to troll, make practical jokes, scaremonger, and make money in any way that they can. And a whole 'new breed' of folk have suddenly discovered that they can become notorious and gain followers by simply making grand claims, pretty much based on nothing (or in many cases, deliberate deceit).

I don't think our society really has any clue about the impact of all that, the damage it can be causing and the growing subculture.

In the meantime, you need to have a strategy to ensure that you retain your sanity (and money), and apply the appropriate level of skepticism to everything you see. And part of that is to make sensible choices about where you look... -cross YouTube off the list, I reckon.. :D

Tenshu
2010-Dec-29, 07:53 AM
already noted on that part.

Swift
2010-Dec-29, 02:26 PM
And a whole 'new breed' of folk have suddenly discovered that they can become notorious and gain followers by simply making grand claims, pretty much based on nothing (or in many cases, deliberate deceit).
And I predict that this increasing trend will lead to mass panic, riots, a catastrophic decrease in human intelligence, wildly fluctuating stock prices, the collapse of the Internet, flash mobs, cats and dogs sleeping together, and the end of civilization as we know it! :eek:

:shifty:

Just fooling, and trying to prove chrlzs' point.

Alan G. Archer
2010-Dec-29, 03:56 PM
Project Camelot and Project Avalon heavy Bill Ryan (http://projectcamelotportal.com/about.html) downplayed all of this five days ago at the Project Avalon Forum in the thread, "Arrival of Alien Ships in 2012 Mentioned by Various Project Camelot Sources (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9893-Arrival-of-Alien-Ships-in-2012-Mentioned-by-Various-Project-Camelot-Sources&p=84780&viewfull=1#post84780)."

Gillianren
2010-Dec-29, 06:44 PM
And a whole 'new breed' of folk have suddenly discovered that they can become notorious and gain followers by simply making grand claims, pretty much based on nothing (or in many cases, deliberate deceit).

What's the matter, you never been to high school? Those people have always been around. They just have a bigger soap box. I could tell you stories of a fair few who got a pretty big soap box in pre-internet days.

chrlzs
2010-Dec-29, 09:00 PM
What's the matter, you never been to high school?
?? Er, yes. (and do i get a t-shirt for pointing out a grammatical issue? :D)

But I don't recall many high schoolers 'soap box'-ing. Maybe it's a cultural thing.. Indeed as an example I lived and breathed Apollo (I was 11 at the time of Apollo 11), and it was a very topical issue as I went through high school, yet I saw/heard no-one soapboxing about them not going. As time went by through the 70's and 80's, sure there were ufo buzzes every now and then and stuff like Von Daniken and Velikovsky popping up occasionally, but that stuff was in no way 'mainstream'. Nor was any of it a topic that came up at the barbeques I went to (which was the ultimate social litmus test in Australia at the time (and remains so))... But maybe that was just my social circle at fault!

I only became aware of the fact that there might be a significant number of Apollo Hoax believers when the Internet came along and started to be the pervasive force it now is...


Those people have always been around. They just have a bigger soap box.
That's my entire point. I think the increased size of the soap box is very significant. At no point in human history has there been such an opportunity for anonymous persons to push barrows, to scaremonger, to troll, to develop cults.

I think it's culturally significant, and being largely ignored.


I could tell you stories of a fair few who got a pretty big soap box in pre-internet days.
I'm all ears! But I suspect there are a LOT more stories post-Internet. However it's probably going off topic - maybe it deserves another thread.

Gillianren
2010-Dec-29, 09:43 PM
?? Er, yes. (and do i get a t-shirt for pointing out a grammatical issue? :D)

Not when I'm speaking idiomatically, I'm afraid.


But I don't recall many high schoolers 'soap box'-ing. Maybe it's a cultural thing.. Indeed as an example I lived and breathed Apollo (I was 11 at the time of Apollo 11), and it was a very topical issue as I went through high school, yet I saw/heard no-one soapboxing about them not going. As time went by through the 70's and 80's, sure there were ufo buzzes every now and then and stuff like Von Daniken and Velikovsky popping up occasionally, but that stuff was in no way 'mainstream'. Nor was any of it a topic that came up at the barbeques I went to (which was the ultimate social litmus test in Australia at the time (and remains so))... But maybe that was just my social circle at fault!

Maybe not about ancient aliens, but there are plenty of kids who gain little courts in high school by spouting on about things where they know nothing. The theme and the scale are different, but the behaviour was there.


I only became aware of the fact that there might be a significant number of Apollo Hoax believers when the Internet came along and started to be the pervasive force it now is...

Sure; I only found out about it as a Thing when I first read Phil's (first) book. I did already know about the Ancient Aliens people, though. My grandfather had a set of Time-Life books called Mysteries of the Unknown or some such.


That's my entire point. I think the increased size of the soap box is very significant. At no point in human history has there been such an opportunity for anonymous persons to push barrows, to scaremonger, to troll, to develop cults.

I think it's culturally significant, and being largely ignored.

It's true that the scale is different, but on the other hand, most of the cults remain quite small. And probably will. There's a bigger soapbox, but there's also a lot more of them.


I'm all ears! But I suspect there are a LOT more stories post-Internet. However it's probably going off topic - maybe it deserves another thread.

Actually, it's not. Two of them have come up in this very thread.

Tenshu
2010-Dec-30, 12:10 AM
Well needless to say two videos of the subject have already appeared on youtube.

not that i've watched them since I know exactly what the people are going to say and especially the commenters, thier the ones more scary than the video itself.

Marko S
2010-Dec-30, 12:36 PM
Yep, Phil Plait nails it once again:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/12/27/giant-spaceships-to-attack-december-2012/


There are some teeny, tiny, problems with this story, though. Like, the "spaceships" are actually image defects and arenít real, thereís no way to figure out how big they from the picture, and the "astrophysicist" quoted in the article doesnít even exist.

Alan G. Archer
2011-Jan-06, 10:29 PM
At long last, Dr. Seth Shostak, Senior Astronomer for the SETI Institute, responded a few days ago to this controversy with a news release, "Internet Rumor of Inbound 2012 Spaceships Untrue (http://www.seti.org/page.aspx?pid=1539)."