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bonker
2004-May-10, 07:35 PM
I have been reading this forum for awhile now, and find it interesting. I particularly like the threads about how to tell the artificial from the naturally occurring objects.

I'm going to attempt to link a website below that shows a large number of face-like images that appear to be carved into mountains. I found this interesting:


http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/8338/Faces/Index.html

beskeptical
2004-May-11, 04:44 AM
Those are great. Some of them are pretty convincing faces.

George
2004-May-11, 08:44 PM
Great link. So did the Cydonians visit Earth? :wink:

I like the sleeping giant (Montana) best. Most are great eye openers for anyone encountering them face to face (literally :) ).

Narthex
2004-May-12, 02:34 AM
Some of them are pretty convincing faces.

Yes, some are very face-like from the side. But when considering whether they are artificial or not, we'd want to see them from the front as well as the profile, and see if they are still face-like, or if the likeness deteriorates into random geological noise. A further question to ask is whether the profile seems set apart from the rest of the rock in some meaningful and purposive fashion, which would lend strength to arguments for possible artificiality.

A neat site. Thanks, bonker.

George
2004-May-12, 10:40 PM
I hope the BA has this link as it gives excellent debunking support regarding the Martian face (or any face).

Narthex
2004-May-13, 11:53 AM
These stone "faces" are predominately shown in profile, and that profile is only readable as a face from one vantage point. They don't exhibit the
appropriate 3-dimensional features an actual sculpture would have. The very fact that there are so many shows that it is common to pick out face-like features on vertical rock faces. The mesas of Cydonia do not show that three-dimensional face-like features are common.

In contrast to the stone profiles on postcards, the Mars face does exhibit the rough proportions of a human face in the appropriate relief. The framing proportions are appropriate, as are the placement of the features, and the relative heights of the features.
For example, while a natural rock "face" could have cheeks that sink in or balloon out and still not affect the profile, the cheek area on the intact side of the Mars face is at an appropriate height compared to the rest of the features.

George
2004-May-13, 12:54 PM
These stone "faces" are predominately shown in profile, and that profile is only readable as a face from one vantage point. They don't exhibit the
appropriate 3-dimensional features an actual sculpture would have. The very fact that there are so many shows that it is common to pick out face-like features on vertical rock faces. The mesas of Cydonia do not show that three-dimensional face-like features are common.

In contrast to the stone profiles on postcards, the Mars face does exhibit the rough proportions of a human face in the appropriate relief. The framing proportions are appropriate, as are the placement of the features, and the relative heights of the features.
For example, while a natural rock "face" could have cheeks that sink in or balloon out and still not affect the profile, the cheek area on the intact side of the Mars face is at an appropriate height compared to the rest of the features.

This a fair point, but, the Cydonia face is hardly unique as an imaginary face with close proportional features. It is, however, noteworthy in comparison to the few profile pictures from this thread's link. I notice the "face" located in the "brain" (see neighboring thread here (http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=13352) ) is also quite proportional but this still does not lend much support to the Cydonia face created by beings issue. [I believe the "smilley face" on Mars from Pathfinder also is proportional.] I show it as another example of our mind's ability to make up faces that are fabricated by imagination only. Facial profiles are worth noting as they also demonstrate this ability of our mind. I want to say they are amusuing but, here in San Antonio alone, people have traveled far to see faces of "Jesus" and "Mary" on trees and windows even though there has never been an eye-witness account as to what they look like.

It would be helplful to have numerous other links to catalogs of artificial faces. :)

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Narthex
2004-May-13, 03:56 PM
You seem to be the only one seeing a face in the "brain."

The Galle "Happy Face" is a crude two-dimensional cartoon. Where the Cydonia face literally "stands out" is in being fairly accurate in three dimensions, which is much harder to find randomly.

Swift
2004-May-13, 05:51 PM
I remember reading an article (might have been in American Scientist) that face recognition is one of the earliest "skills" that infants develop. It's apparently so that they can recognize their mothers. I suspect that because of this, humans are very attuned to face-like appearances, and so we have a tendency to pick out faces even more than the other pareidolia that we do.

George
2004-May-13, 05:56 PM
You seem to be the only one seeing a face in the "brain."

You may be right as I do not know how to resize an image on this board or if it can be done. I do not have my website up and running yet so I am using WebShots photo album for the imaging provision.


The Galle "Happy Face" is a crude two-dimensional cartoon. Where the Cydonia face literally "stands out" is in being fairly accurate in three dimensions, which is much harder to find randomly.

It may have a vertical base helping it to stand out, but the other images taken at different solar angles hardly reveal a 3D image. Also, the proportionality is not all that valid in the lower face.

http://www.space.com/images/Mars-Image3.gif


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01101001
2004-May-18, 05:18 AM
Opportunity has tried making its own Face on Mars (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/n/110/1N137952920EFF2513P1950L0M1.HTML).

Master258
2004-May-18, 12:45 PM
Opportunity has tried making its own Face on Mars (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/n/110/1N137952920EFF2513P1950L0M1.HTML).

:lol: :lol: :lol:

George
2004-May-18, 01:06 PM
Opportunity has tried making its own Face on Mars (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/n/110/1N137952920EFF2513P1950L0M1.HTML).

:o :) . Even though it's upside down, it is pretty good for a first try. :wink:

Irishman
2004-May-18, 06:45 PM
Upside down? Okay, there are three distinct ways to orient that face.

1. Three central stones make eyes and mouth, with mouth to upper left.

2. Three central stones make eyes and mouth, with mouth to upper right.

3. Three central stones make eyes and nose, with nose toward the bottom. The tire tread sticking to the right is his hair. Hmm, maybe a her - the treads on the left could be hair down the back.

ToSeek
2004-May-18, 07:05 PM
Opportunity has tried making its own Face on Mars (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/n/110/1N137952920EFF2513P1950L0M1.HTML).

I like the cool hairstyle.

braggec
2004-May-18, 07:19 PM
Where the Cydonia face literally "stands out" is in being fairly accurate in three dimensions, which is much harder to find randomly.

Yup, which is why it took a trip to mars before we found one.

George
2004-May-18, 11:12 PM
Upside down? Okay, there are three distinct ways to orient that face.

1. Three central stones make eyes and mouth, with mouth to upper left.

2. Three central stones make eyes and mouth, with mouth to upper right.

3. Three central stones make eyes and nose, with nose toward the bottom. The tire tread sticking to the right is his hair. Hmm, maybe a her - the treads on the left could be hair down the back.

Your'e right. Quite advanced and no Cydonians. Odd, huh! :)

01101001
2004-May-22, 12:01 AM
Opportunity has tried making its own Face on Mars (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/n/110/1N137952920EFF2513P1950L0M1.HTML).
One (http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportunity/pancam/2004-05-21/1P138037092EFF2513P2587R5M1.JPG) of many closeups of the "face".