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Inclusa
2011-May-28, 08:23 PM
MacDonald is not haute cuisine, but its quality of food is definitely sub par.
The bread is not "dense" enough to fill you, and everything is pretty brand.
French fries there is probably known for its consistent low quality.
One thing: both unhealthy and fairly brand food there.
One question though: Is MacDonald in Wal-Mart worse than stand alone franchises?

Buttercup
2011-May-28, 08:32 PM
I'm going to beat Gillianren to this one, apparently: It's McDonald's actually. ;)

I've liked their food. Can't eat regular beef nor chicken anymore (dietary issues). :( Love their fries, and in the past craved Big Macs often (still do!). Their triple-thick milkshakes are yummy.

I'd prefer a stand-alone restaurant. And those are already noisy enough. :hand:

Noclevername
2011-May-28, 08:44 PM
It's an acquired taste.

LaurelHS
2011-May-28, 08:48 PM
I don't mind McDonald's food, but the McDonald's in my neighbourhood has a burger place across from it called Vinny's; it's cheaper and has fresh food instead of reheated stuff. So if I'm craving a cheeseburger and fries, I usually don't get them from McDonald's.

The_Radiation_Specialist
2011-May-28, 09:00 PM
MacDonald's food sucks?

Is the Pope Catholic? Are there bears in the woods? :)

HenrikOlsen
2011-May-28, 09:03 PM
Yes.

I am personally of the opinion that it's not an acquired taste, rather it's the destruction of taste or never acquiring taste that's required to like it.

Or possibly acquiring a dependency for it. Yes, it's been shown to be an actual physical dependency. Fatty food is a habit-forming drug and several forms of obesity (not all) would benefit from treating it as such.

grapes
2011-May-28, 09:36 PM
MacDonald is not haute cuisine, but its quality of food is definitely sub par.
The bread is not "dense" enough to fill you, and everything is pretty brand.
French fries there is probably known for its consistent low quality.
One thing: both unhealthy and fairly brand food there.
One question though: Is MacDonald in Wal-Mart worse than stand alone franchises?Bland?

I dunno, I'd probably agree with you except for the existence of the McDouble, for a buck :)

Uneven as its quality may sometimes be...

The_Radiation_Specialist
2011-May-28, 09:55 PM
Bland?

Inclusa doesn't happen to be of Asian origin, does he/she? Many of my Asian friends do confuse the sounds "l" and "r" occasionally in speech and writing. I think it has something to do with the sound having the same letter in Chinese or something but I'm not sure.

Gillianren
2011-May-28, 10:22 PM
Sometimes, I have a mad craving for Chicken McNuggets. I'm not sure I've eaten a McDonald's hamburger since they started selling McNuggets, back in something like 1984. It's certainly not high quality food--and we also have a locally owned fast food place a few blocks away from our McDonald's which is better and where I go if I want good fast food--but I do enjoy it occasionally.

Noclevername
2011-May-28, 10:31 PM
I'm not a fan of the Golden Arches-- especially since I used to work at one and know how unsanitary they can be-- but every so often I get a craving for the Southern Style Chicken Sandwich. Except I have them leave off the butter and pickles, which I guess means it isn't Southern Style. I also, Thor knows why, like the Hi-C orange drink they serve. Weird, I guess it's just my second childhood come early, or something.

NickW
2011-May-28, 10:52 PM
I like the Hot N Spicy chicken sandwich. I also like the mcdouble. Its a good cheap meal in my book.

Inclusa
2011-May-28, 10:57 PM
I mean "bland"; sorry for being careless about the spellings.
Mandarin has both the "l" and "r" sound, though.,
My friend told me that some Americans insist on "half-cooked" ground beef, which is a hygienic risk (at least).

HenrikOlsen
2011-May-28, 11:09 PM
I normally don't cook ground beef rare, but for whole pieces of dead cow there's few things better.
Also, for beef I watched the butcher grind, so I know exactly how long it spend at what temperatures after that, I'll happily cook ground beef rare as well.

PetersCreek
2011-May-29, 12:14 AM
What Henrik said. Fresh, properly handled ground beef presents a minimal risk of foodborne illness. Since we don't know exactly how well supermarket ground beef was handled, it's usually safer to completely cook it. I also have a good source for it and prefer it on the pink side. I also grind my own on occasion, which allows some creativity, such as the addition of pork fat to very lean beef.

As for McDonald's, I pretty much only go there at gunpoint. I briefly worked there as a teen but irrespective of that, I really don't care for their food. I know some people like the shakes but there are much better available from other chains.

Gillianren
2011-May-29, 12:19 AM
Medium rare is my preference. Graham likes his turned into shoe leather.

Jamotron
2011-May-29, 01:00 AM
They sell food at McDonalds now?

NickW
2011-May-29, 01:22 AM
I typically cook my hamburgers medium, but steaks have to be medium rare.

Jim
2011-May-29, 01:37 AM
I like McDonald's, but not all the time and not everything. The fries are very good. I've actually gotten a hamburger from someplace else and then stopped by McD's for the fries.

If you want fresh cooked food at McD's, there's a little trick. Make a special order. Ask for the burger without onions or ketchup or whatever you can do without or can add later. Ask for the fries without salt and add it later to taste. They'll have to special make it.

Githyanki
2011-May-29, 03:20 AM
Their breakfasts rock, however.

Gillianren
2011-May-29, 04:25 AM
One of the recipes I use most frequently out of the Top Secret Recipes series is McDonald's biscuits.

Perikles
2011-May-29, 07:56 AM
I've never been to a McDonalds. Does that make me a freak or just deprived?

Buttercup
2011-May-29, 12:15 PM
I've never been to a McDonalds. Does that make me a freak or just deprived?

:confused: I'd say BOTH. ;)

I worked at McD's during college. One day a lady, perhaps in her mid-60s, walked in. She glanced at the menu boards and asked sincerely, "What sort of food do you serve here?"

I felt like answering "Filet mignon, pheasant under glass, baked Alaska, braised breast of duck with wine sauce..." :p

grapes
2011-May-29, 03:21 PM
and liver with fauva beans and a nice chianti, would have been a good finish

Gillianren
2011-May-29, 05:55 PM
I've never been to a McDonalds. Does that make me a freak or just deprived?

As to being a freak, I suppose that depends on where you live. In some places, they're a little more common than others.

Perikles
2011-May-29, 06:03 PM
As to being a freak, I suppose that depends on where you live. In some places, they're a little more common than others.I don't think I've ever been anywhere where there was no McDonalds somewhere near, except the island of Patmos. But I have this image of a place everyone takes their children, so I have always avoided it. That and the desire to know what kind of animal I'm eating. And what part of it.

swampyankee
2011-May-29, 06:08 PM
I've never been to a McDonalds. Does that make me a freak or just deprived?

Neither. Just lucky.

Gillianren
2011-May-29, 06:22 PM
I don't think I've ever been anywhere where there was no McDonalds somewhere near, except the island of Patmos. But I have this image of a place everyone takes their children, so I have always avoided it. That and the desire to know what kind of animal I'm eating. And what part of it.

I'm just saying that it's much harder to avoid it in certain parts of the United States, for example, where McDonald's is pretty much what you've got. However, I can assure you that, in the US at least, the ingredients aren't suspect. They wouldn't dare put anything in which would cause adverse reactions if they wanted to retain their market share. Though Jack in the Box made cleanliness a selling point after their e. coli cases in the early '90s, but they're a much, much smaller chain and had less to lose.

You also might be interested in or amused by this. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/681/do-mcdonalds-milkshakes-contain-seaweed

Perikles
2011-May-29, 07:19 PM
You also might be interested in or amused by this. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/681/do-mcdonalds-milkshakes-contain-seaweedYuk! but as they say, dead cow is no worse. I'm relieved there is quality control, but I still like to see exactly what it is I'm eating, and not minced something.

Gillianren
2011-May-29, 07:25 PM
So avoid all hamburgers, then? And sausage?

Perikles
2011-May-29, 08:27 PM
So avoid all hamburgers, then? And sausage?You've caught me being inconsistent there. I actually avoid all hamburgers (far too greasy) and all English sausages (which are disgusting) but some German and Spanish sausages are so delicious I repress my curiosity about their provenance, even when they contain some bits of gristle.

Gillianren
2011-May-29, 08:54 PM
If your hamburgers are too greasy, make them with a leaner cut. We use an 80/20 blend for most things, but I think hamburgers are better at 85/15. You can buy 93/7 in our grocery store, but that's too lean for my tastes. I think anything you made with it would turn out too dry.

Trebuchet
2011-May-30, 12:20 AM
McDonald's hamburgers are too dry, if anything.

That said, I eat at McDonald's fairly often. The principle reason for me, and I suspect for many others, is that you know exactly what you're going to get. It's the known quantity. (And quality.) You can go into pretty much any McD's in the country and not be surprised.

When I was in the military, all those years ago, in South Korea, guys would take their leaves and get on a plane to Tokyo. Because there was a McDonald's there. They'd bring back the Big Mac wrappers and everyone would admire them.

ABR.
2011-May-30, 01:16 AM
Trebuchet and McDonald's...say, that gives me an idea!

ETA: For the record, the breakfasts are a tradition on days when I have field work.

Inclusa
2011-May-30, 02:25 AM
News about food contamination is so commonplace that undercooked meat is generally considered a health hazard.
Salad is a common Western food; enough cases about contaminated vegetables make me hesitant.

Gillianren
2011-May-30, 03:04 AM
In the United States, there are actually far fewer of either than you seem to believe. Undercooked meat is not generally considered a health hazard. It is considered a potential health hazard. As in, be aware of the risks. However, probably millions of servings of salad and millions of servings of meat are eaten in the US every day, and most people who eat them are fine.

Solfe
2011-May-30, 03:23 AM
I like McDonald's, but that is because they have "side salad" on the dollar menu. Two (or three) of those are perfect. Bland and boring, yes; but I could eat salad for breakfast, lunch and dinner. They also have "Apple Dippers" on the menu; all it is apple slices with a caramel dip. Those are much better than the McDonaldland cookies. Occasionally, I will get a double cheeseburger.

I love a good Hamburger, but McDonald's isn't the place I go when I am craving one.

Inclusa
2011-May-30, 05:09 AM
Have anyone heard of Fatburger, than?

WayneFrancis
2011-May-30, 05:49 AM
Maccas actually makes me ill...some how the burgers can find their way out a hour after eating them. Hungry Jacks(aka Burger King) doesn't bother me for some reason but still hardly ever eat there.

jokergirl
2011-May-30, 09:57 AM
McDo here in Europe is pretty ok, though not exactly filling. But the quality of both meat and veggies (both locally produced if possible) is fine I hear.

I just wish they had useful veggie burgers on the menu.
Then again, I know a bunch of "vegetarians" who sometimes get cravings. They use McDo to satisfy their meat cravings, claiming "they can't taste it's meat" :lol:

profloater
2011-May-30, 12:46 PM
If immortality were an option I might avoid the risk of sausages but everything has an end except a sausage which has two ends. Anyone who has not tasted fries from the Frite shop near the Waterloo Lion in Brussels has so far missed a major taste sensation and the one in Place Flagey, also Brussels is nearly as good. I prefer so called Angus from Burgerking, (no special interest) they just taste better to me. My mother had a bad egg on a French station in WW2 and never ate eggs again. I have had nasty food poisoning from a salad but I still eat them, and eggs, it's a rebellion thing.

Githyanki
2011-May-30, 05:11 PM
Just a note; a la Argentina, it costs about $32ARs for a meal (with fries, drink etc.). It costs only $20ARs to have steak and fries at a cafe. It costs more to eat at McDonald's than to eat at a dinner!

tlbs101
2011-Jun-01, 05:42 PM
One question though: Is MacDonald in Wal-Mart worse than stand alone franchises?

I've eaten a few burgers and fries from McD's inside several WalMarts. The food is the same whether inside a WalMart or in a stand-alone McD's. I haven't noticed any difference in the quality.

Fazor
2011-Jun-01, 06:03 PM
I eat McD's. Not anywhere near as often as I used to. Maybe once a month or so. It's not healthy, but nothing's healthy if you over-eat it. And some people are more active and have higher metabolisms and can eat that kind of food more often than bowling-pin shaped folk like myself.

One thing I get tired of hearing is how 'evil' these 'horrible fast food' chains are. I've read countless articles blaming fast-food places for childhood obesity in the US, for instance, but they rarely ever put any of the blame on the parents who provide this food to them. "It's not the parent's fault because it's convenient, fast, and cheap*, so it makes it okay to eat there five times a week." but then "It's McDonald's fault that they don't offer convenient, fast, and cheap, AND healthy food that nobody wants!"

*I say 'cheap' because you hear that a lot. After closely watching our food budget, I can say that fast food 'value meals' really aren't cheap compared to many alternatives.

If McDonalds could sell thousands of sliced-apples and low-fat cottage cheese value meals a day, they would. Consumers are dictating what kind of food they'd rather buy.

Buttercup
2011-Jun-01, 06:47 PM
I could go for a Big Mac, fries, and milk right now. :(

Githyanki
2011-Jun-04, 03:24 PM
Fazor, remember that fast-food is a luxury. Someone else preparing your food is a luxury.

NickW
2011-Jun-04, 04:27 PM
Well, I just live a luxurious life! My wife prepares my food for me all the time. :)

Mercier
2011-Jun-04, 04:53 PM
Though Jack in the Box made cleanliness a selling point after their e. coli cases in the early '90s, but they're a much, much smaller chain and had less to lose.

Less to lose? Depends on how you look at it. Their shareholders could potentially lose 100% of their investment, just as is the case with McDonalds. Should you worry about financial risk less than Bill Gates, since you have less to lose?

As to the OP, not a fan of McDonalds, but sometimes if you're out and about in the middle of the night, it's all that there is :(

publiusr
2011-Jun-04, 05:34 PM
Mc Donalds can sometimes have very good fries--or used to. I had a box of McNuggets one day that was really beyond good. Haven't had a batch as good before or since. Krystals (White Castle like burgers) are about the same way.
When they are good they are very very good--but when they are bad they're horrid.

Trebuchet
2011-Jun-04, 11:44 PM
Micky D's does have good fries. The secret used to be that they were fried in beef fat. When that came out they were forced (by the publicity) to switch to vegetable oil. To which they added beef flavoring. For which they were sued by some vegetarians -- Buddhists, as I recall. Why anyone to whom vegetarianism is critically important ever went near a McD's is beyond me.

Inclusa
2011-Jun-05, 06:50 AM
Perhaps my taste gets a little persnickety these days.

Tom Servo
2011-Jun-06, 05:08 AM
Since childhood I think their quality has remained the same except for their Chicken Mcnuggets.

I think they have improved them fairly recently.

I remember as a child the mcnuggets would have some dark meat mixed in them (wich didn't really matter but it looked bad) and some chewy peices of cartilage (wich was more than annoying)

However in the recent years I have noticed that I have never eaten any dark meat or chewy peices. So I do think they improved on that.


My biggest problem is not with the quality of the food but rather the quality of the people they have hired to run the restaraunts. Very poor quality indeed. I also noted some strange things they are trying like a prerecorded message whenever you pull up to the drive thru that says in a happy female voice, "Hi welcome to McDonalds would you like to try (insert random food item) today?" This confuses me and I say, "um no thanks?". then a very unenthusiastic deep male voice using sloppy english says, "what you want to order?"

Very odd and confusing I wish they would stop this. It drives me nuts.

perhaps it is just in my area but the frys are inconsistent. One day they are salted normaly the next they are coated in salt and sometimes no salt at all. Very odd.


Anyway I like Chik-fil-A better any day.

Gillianren
2011-Jun-06, 06:04 AM
I think changing to white meat is the opposite of an improvement, but that's me. I don't understand the fixation we seem to have with it.

Van Rijn
2011-Jun-06, 08:09 AM
I used to like the fries, but when they went vegetarian the fries became bland. I still get cheeseburgers a few times a year because I like them. On the other hand, there isn't that much on the menu I have tried (never tried mcnuggets, for instance), and there definitely are some things I've only tried once and decided never to eat again (like the Egg McMuffin).

novaderrik
2011-Jun-06, 09:41 AM
they do have a pretty good 1/3 pound Angus mushroom and swiss.. if they make it fresh.
i also like their strawberry shakes, and a couple of their salads are pretty good.

Culver's is better in every way, tho. they are mostly an upper midwest chain centered around Wisconsin, but they have locations as far south as Texas and as far east as Pennsylvania.

novaderrik
2011-Jun-06, 09:42 AM
I think changing to white meat is the opposite of an improvement, but that's me. I don't understand the fixation we seem to have with it.

white meat is more "healthy" somehow.. if they'd offer dark meat McNuggets or chicken strips, i'd be all over that...

Jim
2011-Jun-06, 12:17 PM
I think changing to white meat is the opposite of an improvement, but that's me. I don't understand the fixation we seem to have with it.

Oooo, we agree! I prefer dark meat. It's more flavorful and juicier. (I'd say "moist" but a lot of people seem to have a problem with that word.)


they do have a pretty good 1/3 pound Angus mushroom and swiss.. if they make it fresh.
i also like their strawberry shakes, and a couple of their salads are pretty good. ...

I tried the mushroom and Swiss last week and found it very good... juicy (see above). I prefer their vanilla shakes, but I don't care for the whipped-cream-and-cherry-on-top bit they've started.

When the BW decides she doesn't want to cook, she'll sometimes hit the McD drive through. I always ask her to get me a salad. However, when she gets to the pickup window, they often tell her they don't have any salads made, sorry. So she's started going in. If they say they don't have any salads made, she tells them she'll wait. It seems to aggravate them.

The Backroad Astronomer
2011-Jun-06, 12:59 PM
Don't like mcdonalds much. I prefer subway or for hamburgers I go to A&W because that is the only chain burger restaurant in town. the chain I like the most is Harvey's which is canadian chain because you select the topping you want and they put the toppings on while you watch.

Gillianren
2011-Jun-06, 05:10 PM
Oooo, we agree! I prefer dark meat. It's more flavorful and juicier. (I'd say "moist" but a lot of people seem to have a problem with that word.)

One of the ways I discovered that a friend is a good cook was that he managed to cook chicken breast and keep it juicy. I've sent off a question to the Straight Dope about this, actually, and while they said they might get to it, they haven't yet. I was able to find out online that "everyone says" white meat is better for you, but who is "everyone"?

Delvo
2011-Jun-06, 07:02 PM
Oooo, we agree! I prefer dark meat. It's more flavorful and juicier. (I'd say "moist" but a lot of people seem to have a problem with that word.)If I'm getting bird-on-a-bone, I go for the legs, but I've always figured there must be some good reason why all of the shaped/formed chicken products (patties, nuggets, strips/fingers) I've ever seen in my life are breast meat, like that whatever physical process is involved in making and maintaining the shape just works better on that type of meat.


If they say they don't have any salads made, she tells them she'll wait. It seems to aggravate them.They probably need to be made in large batches due to the sizes of the containers that the ingredients are sent to them in, so getting an order for one dumps a bunch more extra work on somebody.

I can't pick a favorite thing at any particular place and get to stick with it, because they all change things from time to time. Just a few minutes ago, I threw away the remainder of an Arby's beef & cheddar sandwich, because it was too salty & oniony (and maybe too sesame seedy). The sandwich by that name had been a standard for me for years whenever I went to Arby's, but now it's on at least the third version since I worked there.

Gillianren
2011-Jun-06, 07:13 PM
If I'm getting bird-on-a-bone, I go for the legs, but I've always figured there must be some good reason why all of the shaped/formed chicken products (patties, nuggets, strips/fingers) I've ever seen in my life are breast meat, like that whatever physical process is involved in making and maintaining the shape just works better on that type of meat.

Americans like breast meat. When I was a kid, it was whatever-meat-they-had-left nuggets. Strips pretty well have to be breast meat, as they aren't shaped or formed in the same way as nuggets and patties, but Americans have been convinced that Breast Meat Is Better, so "all-white meat nuggets" are a selling point now.


They probably need to be made in large batches due to the sizes of the containers that the ingredients are sent to them in, so getting an order for one dumps a bunch more extra work on somebody.

Just the opposite, actually, at least when I worked at Burger King. It was extra work because they had to be made individually. The lettuce, as I recall, was the same as the lettuce which went on the burgers, but you had to slice cucumbers and tomatoes by hand for them.

mike alexander
2011-Jun-06, 07:17 PM
No one else in the house will eat chicken thighs or drums. All things being equal, I consider a chicken thigh the best part of the carcass.

As for McD, a couple of times a year I'll get a craving for a Quarter Pounder and indulge myself. Just gotten to where I like my homemade ones better. Besides, it is no longer cheap. I've never really shaken my belief that a McDonalds basic hamburger should be fifteen cents. Or a bag of ten White Castle sliders for a buck.

Yes, and Kennedy was President.

Gillianren
2011-Jun-06, 08:03 PM
Next time you're up in the area, Mike, I'll bake up a batch of chicken thighs. It's one of those childhood recipes. I've fiddled with it over the years, but it's the same way I've been cooking chicken since I was maybe ten.

Inclusa
2011-Jun-09, 05:38 AM
Next time you're up in the area, Mike, I'll bake up a batch of chicken thighs. It's one of those childhood recipes. I've fiddled with it over the years, but it's the same way I've been cooking chicken since I was maybe ten.

Chicken thighs and drumsticks are all "dark meat", and for turkeys, these are often the choice parts. How do you bake these parts?

What do you mean by "icing"? Loads of stuffs on the Internet are utterly bogus.

Gillianren
2011-Jun-09, 05:48 AM
Yes, I know they're dark meat. That was the point. I don't bake turkey; I don't like turkey. But I take chicken thighs, cover them in flour and seasonings, and put them on a rack on a cookie sheet in my oven. I bake it at about 400 degrees for about forty minutes.

"Icing" is also known as "frosting." It's a quote from an American TV show called Judging Amy. Amy's daughter was explaining why her mother's birthday cake said "Happy Borthday." The third quote is from MythBusters and is in fact a reference to the very fact that loads of stuff on the internet is bogus.

Trebuchet
2011-Jun-09, 08:06 PM
Proof of Gillian's icing slogan. (http://cakewrecks.blogspot.com/2009/08/there-i-fixed-it.html)
More proof! (http://cakewrecks.blogspot.com/2011/02/ha-i-fixed-it.html)

Fazor
2011-Jun-09, 08:25 PM
I always seem to find more gristle or tendon bits in dark meat; other than that, I like either. I like McDonald's new nuggets not because they're "all white meat", but because I have yet to get a piece of gristle or whatever, and because the fried outside seems to be flakier and less greasy. (That said, I very rarely eat McDonald's nuggets.)

I like the dark meat when I eat bone-in chicken, but Tara refuses to eat anything that still has bones on/in it so we never eat bone-in meat. She also doesn't like chicken with the skin still on, which pretty much leaves the boneless, skinless chicken breasts as the best option.

Oxyartes
2011-Jun-09, 09:50 PM
Yes, and Kennedy was President.

Don't tell me you fell for that one!

Jim
2011-Jun-10, 02:31 AM
Last edited by Trebuchet; Today at 07:42 PM. Reason: Misspelled "Gillian". Dang! I'm embarrassed.

It's a good thing you weren't using icing!

Inclusa
2011-Jun-10, 03:37 AM
I see; icing mistakes are hard to correct.

vonmazur
2011-Jun-10, 05:11 AM
I have lived in Birmingham for 20 years and never visited Chic-Fil-A!! not even once!!...They are closed on Sundays and not as easy to get to as MickyD's is...But Hamburger Heaven is a local place that has beaten MickyD's in our area, costs a little more, but they actually make them from scratch and use really good ingredients..

The best of the fast food joints, IMHO, is Backyard Burgers....they are really good, but a local (Southern) chain...

Dale

Inclusa
2011-Jun-12, 03:06 AM
Is it true that Harvey's come with Home Depot?

Solfe
2011-Jun-12, 01:43 PM
Just a note; a la Argentina, it costs about $32ARs for a meal (with fries, drink etc.). It costs only $20ARs to have steak and fries at a cafe. It costs more to eat at McDonald's than to eat at a dinner!

Why on Earth would their pricing be so high? Special sauce can't be that expensive to ship... unless they are teaching cows to make special sauce...

If a steak dinner was the same price as a burger at McD's I would never go to McDonalds.

Relatively speaking, what else could you buy with $32ARs? A trip to McD's is about $5-8 USD (for one person) here which is around the cost of a magazine, two gallons of gas (or less lately) or 8 litres of Pepsi/Coke.