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2011-Sep-15, 08:37 AM
New results from Integral can’t give us a final answer, but they do put limits on the size of the quantum ‘grains’ of space, showing us that they must be smaller than at least some theories of quantum gravity suggest. All of this comes courtesy of a gamma-ray burst — specifically, GRB 041219A, which took place on the 19th of December back in 2004.
The so-called ‘graininess’ of space should affect how gamma rays travel, changing their polarization (the direction in which they oscillate).

There are two kinds of the graininess (discreteness) of the space-time.
1. Analogues fluctuations of the space and time which have their polarization and dimension. These fluctuations might be a carrying frequency for light and may affect the polarization of the photon during its journey.
2. Digital mathematical discreteness of the holographic space-time where distance and the space are the illusion.

The Holographic Universe is a mathematical program where the space-time is emergent from a probability of the relation between the events. The events are non-local in the holography and the distance is defined as a function of the probability of the relation between the events. Therefore the geometry is created by an order of the causal sets (Rafael Sorkin). Each relation between events due to their Compton wave encodes the Planck time dilation and therefore the time is also emergent. The most probable fastest relation between events is the speed of light then.

“In any case, it seems to me that the alternative continuum-discontinuum is a genuine alternative; i.e. there is no compromise here. In [a discontinuum] theory there cannot be space and time, only numbers”. (Einstein here calls "discontinuum" what Riemann calls "discrete manifold".)

The digital recorded holographic space is a perfect picture of the relations between the events and there aren't the fluctuations nor graininess like in an analogue medium. The polarization of the photon emitted in the extragalactic quasar will not change in such a mathematical digital program because it doesn't travel through a space but appears as a relation with a certain probability on a device of the observer. The information has to be conserved as it is shown in the Quantum Decoherence.

The General Relativity shows the motion of the matter in the curved space but doesn't explain how the matter affects the space on a distance. It has explain the Theory of the Quantum Gravity which has to show the quantization of the space-time. The observation of the GRB excludes the analogues quantization. The quantization according to holographic picture of the space-time remains and I will defend it.

2011-Sep-16, 08:44 AM
Here is a helpful paper of Achim Kempf:
Spacetime could be simultaneously continuous and discrete in the same way that information can.
The modern physics developes toward the science of the information. Claude Shannon was the first who had invented the laws of the thermodynamics in the information science. Recently developed Quantum Decoherence shows the conservation of the information and it suggests the space isn't something material like an aether of the XIX century but a mathematcs and geometrical structure rather.

My question is about a holographic space. Is it possible for such a mathematical space to affect the polarization of a distant photon as it suggests the paper - "No quantum gravity signature from the farthest quasars "

John Mendenhall
2011-Sep-28, 02:59 PM
Interesting idea, but the math is way over my head. Good luck with your ATM.

Regards, John M.