View Full Version : The speed of light 1,400 years ago?

2011-Oct-16, 02:14 PM
There is a claim I looked at some time ago that the speed of light was alluded to in a certain religious book. the mathematics look like pure numerology to me and in fact I made a video pointing out the numerous errors in the equation. One such error (and by no means the only one) is the use of COS() which is somehow supposed to nullify the gravitational effect of the Moon on the oceans, and define an inertial reference frame by pretending the Earth isn't moving, or whatever you might find most convincing.

To cut to the point, I would really love to see an analysis of the claims which can be read at the following site:

I've been banging my head against this brick wall for over a year now and it hurts so I have decided to seek 3rd party arbitration and thought that Bad Astronomy would be the ideal place to come, so I really hope some of you guys will be suitable enthused to give this page a thorough analysis and proving it right/wrong rather than just dismissing it off hand.

Thanks all


2011-Oct-16, 05:37 PM
I can't make heads or tails out of that web site. Looks like a hodgepodge of pseudo-science/pseudo-religion. Why bang your head at all over it?

2011-Oct-16, 08:03 PM
An incredibly roundabout, and incorrect, way of explaining why some goats have stripes.

2011-Oct-16, 10:58 PM
I have actually debunked it myself here:

But for probably the past year the same accusation (red herring) pops up again and again "You haven't defined your inertial frame of reference!" The thing is that the original miracle claim really doesn't do this either. Multiplying the distance of the Moon over 12000 sidereal months by the COS where theta is the angle of difference between the Earth->Moon on a sidereal month and a Synodic month is clearly fabrication.

It would be nice though to get some people who have studied in astronomy to take a look and give an opinion on the Cosine part. I'm all for being proven wrong!

Van Rijn
2011-Oct-17, 06:17 AM
That site has been discussed on BAUT more than once. See here:


It also has links to prior threads.

2011-Oct-17, 08:31 AM
Ah, sorry to have posted a duplicate thread. I did search for "Quran speed light" first and saw a lot if irrelevant threads, I didn't notice it was page 1 of 5.

The other thread does not address the COSINE part. I've sent a link to this thread to the person arguing why it is required and hopefully he will turn up to defend it.