View Full Version : China fast on track for Space

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2004-Jul-28, 12:00 AM
China is expected to launch its second manned spacecraft, Shenzhou VI, on a five-day mission in the second half of next year. China aims to send a spacecraft to the Moon in three years' time, the head of the country's space agency, Sun Laiyan, has confirmed as well as building their own orbiting space station. Huang Chunping, chief of the China Manned Space Program's rocket carrier system who was speaking in Fuzhou, Fujian province, said the mainland also aimed to establish a laboratory in space by 2010. The next few years will also see more Chinese astronauts, or yuhangyuan, launched into Earth orbit, following the path taken last October by Yang Liwei. They also seem to be working on some projects with the EU
More of the Double Star science satellites were successfully launched 25th July 2004. China plans on doing more in space. Some of these space people will be women. Western analysts believe China currently has rockets capable of sending craft to the Moon and back but it would need more powerful boosters for landings.

Do you think there could ever be another Space race ?

2004-Jul-28, 12:22 AM
I don't think so, not with the current state of things. Their manned lunar plans were called off earlier this year anyhow.

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2004-Jul-28, 01:04 AM
I would say the problem is not about China going faster, speeding up the designs and making better missions. But the problem lies with the USA going slower and not doing enough. There seems to be a new leader in town and that is the commission, inspections on budget and the Aldridge recommendations. President Bush has said recently that the shuttle will be retired by the year 2010 and sadly no real replacement for shuttle is on the drawing boards. So evern if NASA started building a real replacement for the shuttle right now there could be a big gap in manned missions to space for the US, this gap size might be at least as long as there was between the Skylab and the Shuttle, and probably longer ? A part of NASA is also going to be taken apart and reshaped, and the centres chaged to federally funded research and development centres, the latest inspections and the previous offical enquiry into Colombia sending the program into a standstill. I think it is important that the NASA continues with its manned missions, we have learned so much from Space so why pull back and allow others like Russians and Chinese to go forward when we know NASA can do wonders like Voyagers journey, putting men on the moon and other great projects of great success.

2004-Jul-28, 01:12 AM
We're not pulling back. At most the delay will be 4 years, less time than there was between ASTP and the first flight of the Columbia.

2004-Jul-28, 01:14 AM

It's really sad that the U.S. space program has been allowed to stagnate as it has been for the last 20-30 years. I've seen online that the current funding bill is looking to cut a lot of money out of the space program, including the proposed NASA replacement for the STS. I don't know if the PRC is going to be the fast track space power, it would be nice if the PRC program would force a renewal of the U.S. program.



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2004-Jul-28, 06:44 PM

It's really sad that the U.S. space program has been allowed to stagnate as it has been for the last 20-30 years. I've seen online that the current funding bill is looking to cut a lot of money out of the space program, including the proposed NASA replacement for the STS. I don't know if the PRC is going to be the fast track space power, it would be nice if the PRC program would force a renewal of the U.S. program.



I don't think it is that bad for NASA and the US space program yet, but it would be nice if the PRC forced a renewal of the U.S. program

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2004-Jul-29, 01:20 AM

The spacecraft, Tan Ce 2 (Explorer 2), rode a Long March 2C rocket into orbit from its Taiyuan spaceport staging ground at 3:05 a.m. EDT (0705 GMT) July 25, a full day earlier than its scheduled liftoff time to avoid heavy rains expected Monday.

The spacecraft joined its predecessor Tan Ce 1 and the European Space Agency's (ESA) four-satellite Cluster mission already in orbit. Together, the six satellites make up the most comprehensive flotilla to study the Earth's magnetic field.

"I'm delighted not only that the launch was successful, but that the spacecraft's [science] boom deployed," said England's Michael Hapgood, lead scientist for Double Star's European Payload Operations Service, in a telephone interview. "It's always a dodgy thing deploying anything mechanical in space, and it worked."

Researchers hope the twin satellites of Double Star will give scientists a new look at the effects of magnetic storms high above the planet's surface

China + EU double star from Space . com (http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/doublestar_launch_040726.html)

Manchurian Taikonaut
2004-Jul-29, 11:29 PM
China is trying to move up again, it has a new plan and the Chinese are working on new designs. I suppose there are some military and power implications because of the Chinese launch into space. There are some who are aware of the potential of the Chinese. Recently the Pentagon has released its yearly report to Congress on the current and future military strategy of the Peopleís Republic of China (PRC), including that nationís active use of space. There are those who say China also desires some of the power and control over everyone else in the long term buck like the Spanish empire had influence or the USA had superpower status and say that at this point in time many of the developed countries are being stupid and abandoning their space programs and paying them minimal attention in terms of funding, some future analysts and economists have said that whoever controls the infrastructure for public access to space will control the next century and the destiny of the globe, but maybe the Chinese aren't so power hungry ? Maybe they are looking at the technologiacl spin-off and the national pride that comes with space. http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/images/3_11_2003_Welcome%20to%20HK.jpg
China's lunar probe project named as Chang'e Project, they are now starting the five systems, namely, satellite, carrier rocket, ground application, launch and observation and control. Yang China's first man in orbit has also been around paying a vistit to Schools in China and HongKong, the China today is more open that the China which was ruled by the hard fist of Mao, China has changed a great deal in ten years just as European nations did after the world war.
The China today is a more free and open market, even the hawkish people who would have called China a communist dictatorship will now say it's an emergent socialist democracy. China's spaceman Yang has been around answering question from the public and then he recently went to the USA where Sen. Nelson, and Buzz Aldrin met with him, there has been much talk of international effort and increased co-operation.
Chief administrator of the China National Space Administration, Sun Laiyan said in an interview 'We think space exploration is a joint venture for the human race. It's in our nature to explore the unknown. We are willing to have international cooperation but we need to develop our technology first. If we don't have it, we won't have equal status with other nations. He said 'we carried a UN flag on our fifth spacecraft, which showed our willingness for international cooperation.' China might try and do something large before the start of the Olympics in China, they could try a lunar orbiter or lander but I don't think they have enough done to be able to think about sending a man to the Moon. China also has a lot to do at home such as giving everyone good housing, keeping jobs moving and stopping poverty but I still think there is room to put more cash into Space. In the five-year plan the Chinese budget has been 10 billion RMB (renminbi, Chinese unit of currency). It's not even 0.03% of GDP, this is why China could put more effort into Space.

2004-Aug-06, 04:06 PM
Official government statement:

White Paper: China's Space Activities (http://www.spacedaily.com/news/china-04zw.html)

The Chinese government has all along regarded the space industry as an integral part of the state's comprehensive development strategy, and upheld that the exploration and utilization of outer space should be for peaceful purposes and benefit the whole of mankind.

As a developing country, China's fundamental tasks are developing its economy and continuously pushing forward its modernization drive. The aims and principles of China's space activities are determined by their important status and function in protecting China's national interests and implementing the state's development strategy.

The aims of China's space activities are: to explore outer space, and learn more about the cosmos and the Earth; to utilize outer space for peaceful purposes, promote mankind's civilization and social progress, and benefit the whole of mankind; and to meet the growing demands of economic construction, national security, science and technology development and social progress, protect China's national interests and build up the comprehensive national strength.

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2004-Sep-02, 06:54 AM
you can read how China is having a showcase for its Space Program

china space launch center (http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/china_update_040901.html)

JIUQUAN, China (AP) -- China, a rising space power, provided a rare look into its top-secret launch center Wednesday, promoting the military-funded project as a lure for foreign investment and a key to the nation's growing prosperity.

A police car with flashing lights led busloads of international journalists across northwestern China's vast Gobi Desert to the Jiuquan space center, past armored patrol vehicles and a sign, in English: "Foreigners are not allowed to enter without permission."

It was the first time China let foreign journalists enter, although officials forbade photographs of the command-and-control center with its rows of computer screens or the mammoth assembly hall where workers built the spacecraft that lifted China's first astronaut into orbit last October.

For the secrecy-conscious national government, Jiuquan houses treasures to be guarded closely. But to local officials, Jiuquan is a blue-ribbon brand name just waiting to be marketed far and wide.

"No matter what products are named after Jiuquan, they will sell," said Hao Yuan, assistant to the governor of Gansu province, where part of the space center is located.

"We welcome foreign cooperation in the fields of aerospace and aviation," Hao said. "We would also like to provide launch services to foreign companies."

china has made public its space plans
Chinese space plan BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3874419.stm)

China aims to send a spacecraft to the Moon in three years' time, the head of the country's space agency, Sun Laiyan, has confirmed to the BBC. as well as building their own orbiting space station

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2004-Nov-02, 12:10 AM
Chinese space plans


2005-Jul-27, 04:42 PM
China Plans Woman In Space By 2010 (http://www.sinodaily.com/news/china-05zzzzzb.html)

China will put its first woman in space within five years and has selected around 30 women pilots to be trained as astronauts, state media reported Tuesday.

2005-Jul-27, 08:39 PM
This is the launch vehicle I would like to see China use:

Using these engines--first stage:
Upper stage:

Having one big rocket like that--while keeping hypergolics--would actually be cheaper than having a whole new line of LOX/kero and LOX/LH2 boosters, shown here on the far right:


They should keep their existing rockets--and focus on the big hydrogen upper stage later on. With 6 RD-270s--they would have Saturn V levels of thrust at lift off--and more engine-out ability than their new EELV inspired Long March series--as mentioned above.