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electromagneticpulse
2004-Oct-27, 03:26 AM
Okay what i dont get is SETI, i mean why is it there? Why in all the gods names of all the religions ever invented and all the "gods" of all the cults and all the drunks on the planet why would aliens go hey look theres a star other there lets just send them a message to prove were inteligent life.

I mean if we are smart and looking for alien civ's then shouldn't we be looking faster then light i mean the light we see is millions of years old or older and we think we could see life. Take a million years off earth we were hitting each other with rocks if we had even figured out how to pick them up yet.

Okay its 4.4 light years to Alpha Centauri so if there was life there watching us they would have just had to put up with the whole millenium bug stuff.

The nearest planet discovered is thought to be Gliese 876 about 15.3 light years away so they wouldn't have even made the 90's yet from what they would be seeing. Thats a gas giant so we'll probably have to look a longer way away. So should we even be bothering watching cause all we are going to get if we aren't getting stuff now is their first TV broadcasts seriously red or blue shifted... hey we could know what they look like. Eww alien porn :lol:

Stupid mind thinking, anyway does anyone feel that SETI is a futile search.

paulie jay
2004-Oct-27, 03:31 AM
I don't think that it's futile. I'm happy to concede that there's probably not much chance of success, but the idea itself doesn't offend me any.

Demigrog
2004-Oct-27, 04:09 AM
Okay what i dont get is SETI, i mean why is it there? Why in all the gods names of all the religions ever invented and all the "gods" of all the cults and all the drunks on the planet why would aliens go hey look theres a star other there lets just send them a message to prove were inteligent life.


Well, we did it...

Cylinder
2004-Oct-27, 04:41 AM
I look at SETI in the same terms as any other observational science. They are the first to point out that the sheer scale of the search is daunting. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step - or so a fortune cookie once told me.

CTM VT 2K
2004-Oct-27, 06:57 AM
I look at SETI in the same terms as any other observational science. They are the first to point out that the sheer scale of the search is daunting. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step - or so a fortune cookie once told me.


I though it started with a broken fan-belt and a leaky tire. I know mine usually do :-?

mickal555
2004-Oct-27, 07:04 AM
Whats SETI ???????? :-?

mickal555
2004-Oct-27, 07:06 AM
wait is it that screensave that serches for life
It souded like a t.v challel

Cylinder
2004-Oct-27, 07:19 AM
I though it started with a broken fan-belt and a leaky tire. Too true. :lol:

Wally
2004-Oct-27, 01:52 PM
wait is it that screensave that serches for life
It souded like a t.v challel

Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence

. . . and yes, they recently (as in the past few years, I think) began a program where people could "donate" the use of their PC's to help crunch all the data they pick up.

A Thousand Pardons
2004-Oct-27, 02:29 PM
I mean if we are smart and looking for alien civ's then shouldn't we be looking faster then light i mean the light we see is millions of years old or older and we think we could see life. Take a million years off earth we were hitting each other with rocks if we had even figured out how to pick them up yet.

Okay its 4.4 light years to Alpha Centauri so if there was life there watching us they would have just had to put up with the whole millenium bug stuff.
You make a good point. Maybe we should start looking here (http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=565&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=a sc&highlight=sinai) first. :)

electromagneticpulse
2004-Oct-27, 03:45 PM
I don't think that it's futile. I'm happy to concede that there's probably not much chance of success, but the idea itself doesn't offend me any.

I dont find the "listening" futile per say but i read the SETI response to any cases where a dyson sphere may exist and first they have to prove that it is a high emitter of IR or a sole emitter of IR. Second they then have to pick up inteligent signals.

This is where i get my problem i mean they've built a dyson sphere its about 1au or more from their star (depending on the size) and it doesn't emit anything other then IR. Doesn't this already surgest they wouldn't be using EMF signals to communicate, even if they were the coms would go inside the sphere to allow faster communications.
With our recent breakthroughs in quantum entanglement doesn't it surgest that if an alien race capable of using almost all their stars energy. i forget what the actual scale is but it would be a class 2 civilization while we haven't even reached a class one yet which shows the technology gap we would have.

http://www.planetary.org/html/UPDATES/seti/SETI@home/Update_032304.html

At the end of the day, no Dyson Sphere had been confirmed by any of the three searches. No unusual radio transmissions had been detected by SETI@home or SERENDIP at any of the 22 observable candidates stars; no pulsed light signals had been observed by the Leuschner telescope. If there are any Dyson Sphere among Charlie’s 33 candidates, they are either among the 11 unobservable stars, or their confirmation will have to await more sensitive detection methods.

This is what seems like ignorance are we so special that alien life would be sending pulsed light signals to us? What if they developed on a desert world they would be thinking that our planet would never support life.

Im all for the SETI search but i think they should spend more time looking for habitable planets instead of signs of alien life as this search is a needle in a cosmic hay stack and the more we look at it the bigger the hay stack is getting.


Well, we did it...
Thats what i mean by "SETI is just making us look dumb". I mean what are the chanses that message we sent out is going to be picked up as they themselves would have to be looking at our planet to pick it up.


I would have to agree with ATP and say we should search the blue marble first... i mean earth... i mean the blue crappy thing with primates on :D

paulie jay
2004-Oct-28, 04:38 AM
Oh I understand your viewpoint completely, electromagneticpulse, but I suppose that I don't take SETI seriously enough (probably due to my aforementioned doubt of any potential success) to let the subtleties bother me.

I suppose I'm more like the contented uncle indulging his nephews in their search for lost treasure in the back yard - you never know they might just strike it rich. But so long as they don't dig up the petunias and streak mud across the carpet I'm happy to let them go at it.

electromagneticpulse
2004-Oct-28, 01:49 PM
Oh I understand your viewpoint completely, electromagneticpulse, but I suppose that I don't take SETI seriously enough (probably due to my aforementioned doubt of any potential success) to let the subtleties bother me.

I suppose I'm more like the contented uncle indulging his nephews in their search for lost treasure in the back yard - you never know they might just strike it rich. But so long as they don't dig up the petunias and streak mud across the carpet I'm happy to let them go at it.

But what if the lost treasure turns out to be an unexploded bomb from WW2? just a thought :lol:

paulie jay
2004-Oct-28, 11:16 PM
I rephrase then - so long as they don't track blood across the carpet, then I'm happy to leave them to it"

:lol: :lol:

The Bad Astronomer
2004-Oct-29, 07:26 PM
Stupid mind thinking

I don't understand this statement. Do you mean the SETI people? There are some top-notch scientists involved with SETI, including some whom I call friends. I am wondering about the ad-hominemity of this statement.

russ_watters
2004-Oct-29, 07:45 PM
Okay what i dont get is SETI, i mean why is it there? Yes, clearly you don't understand:
Why ...would aliens go hey look theres a star other there lets just send them a message to prove were inteligent life. As already pointed out - we've done it. Beyond that, they don't even need to be sending a message necessarily, they just need to be using radio (at high enough wattage) to communicate.
I mean if we are smart and looking for alien civ's then shouldn't we be looking faster then light There is no reason to think the laws of physics are different for other civilizations - so there is no such thing as faster than light
...i mean the light we see is millions of years old or older... No, SETI is looking for life on the order of a hundred light years away.
and we think we could see life. Take a million years off earth we were hitting each other with rocks if we had even figured out how to pick them up yet. This assumes other civilizations are at precisely the same point in evolution as we are. Its an unreasonable assumption.
Okay its 4.4 light years to Alpha Centauri so if there was life there watching us they would have just had to put up with the whole millenium bug stuff. Why would they have the same calendar as us?
The nearest planet discovered is thought to be Gliese 876 about 15.3 light years away so they wouldn't have even made the 90's yet from what they would be seeing. Again, why would they be at precisely the same point in evolution as us?

BA, the grammar is so awful, I'm not entirely sure emp wasn't talking about himself!

One Day More
2004-Nov-08, 04:08 AM
The fact about 100 light years distance for SETI just got me curious. How many stars would there be in that much time? What about planets?

Careless
2004-Nov-08, 05:04 AM
Okay its 4.4 light years to Alpha Centauri so if there was life there watching us they would have just had to put up with the whole millenium bug stuff. Why would they have the same calendar as us?
Pretty sure he meant they would have just gotten radio signals from us babbling about Y2k.