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dvb
2004-Nov-18, 03:13 PM
would our governments try to cover it up?

I know this sounds like a silly conspiracy theory, but I'm looking at it from a more serious point. If aliens did indeed contact us, and it was made publically known, I could imagine mass hysteria breaking out across the globe. Would it be wise for our governments to let us know that aliens have contacted us? What possible repercussions could we expect to come from this?

Candy
2004-Nov-18, 03:20 PM
1) I don't think it will ever happen.

2) If it did, with world satellite interception, there is no way to hide it. It would never withstand the information highway.

3) BABBers wouldn't believe it, unless the BA said it was true. :D

4) I wouldn't believe it, unless I saw it with my own eyes. :o
[edited to add 4]

kucharek
2004-Nov-18, 03:29 PM
If the aliens think they should do it secretly and just contact the government: Which government and whom of the government should they choose to contact? I mean, if they put so much thinking into the thing that they came to the conclusion that it should be done privately, they will have a hell of a time to figure out which and whom. It makes no sense, in my eyes.

Nicolas
2004-Nov-18, 04:05 PM
Most probably they will just PM the BA and we'll never hear anything about it untill he brings the fact up in some lecture :D

Candy
2004-Nov-18, 04:18 PM
This question intrigues me, dvb.

I guess I should get the image of trailer park alien abductions out of my head, but itís hard.

If actual alien's... I can't even imagine it would ever happen. Unless, it were in the future, and it were our descendants.

That scenario I could accept. 8-[

Bozola
2004-Nov-18, 04:31 PM
The first major evidence of alien contact would be a massive advertizing by fast-food chains untilizing the aliens' image to sell their products.

I'll be ready to give up on finding intelligent life in the universe if Pfizer ever gets an alien to do a Viagra commercial.

Raptor1967
2004-Nov-18, 04:45 PM
I donít think (If there are Aliens visiting us) that they would make any attempt at contact until our social Structure was stable enough to withstand the discovery. Any race with the technology to reach us I hope would be wise enough to wait until the Population at large was ready for the visit to minimize the damage to our society. As for secrecy I would think that by the time this event took place our government and society at large would be mature enough that it wouldnít be necessary to hide the encounter.

It scares me to think of what mankind would do if we had interstellar travel at our current level of maturity. Our exploitive and paranoid ways would most likely be our downfall in the interstellar community.

Nicolas
2004-Nov-18, 05:31 PM
I don't know. Some people get hysteric about everything, some don't. We survived the fact that humans can fly, we survived different theories on how our world was created and its history, possibly our society will survive the existence of alien life too. I don't think it's something that can be kept silent anyway, if there truly would be contact. On the alien side of the story, I don't think it would be easy for them to know whether we a) wouldn't even realise they came from another planet b) would realise it and would all break donw c) would cope with it perfectly d)annihilate them

In short, I don't think the aliens would keep it secret. Maybe they would keep it passive, like not searching contact themselves, passing the ball to us when they are near or on earth. something like "if you want to get to know us, visit us". Of course if they'd want to examine us, contact would be automatic. The government may be a little hesitating about giving a statement to the public, but I'm sure the aliens will convince them of the international character of their visit :)

Candy
2004-Nov-18, 05:50 PM
Maybe they would keep it passive, like not searching contact themselves, passing the ball to us when they are near or on earth. something like "if you want to get to know us, visit us". What happens on Earth stays on Earth. :D

Nicolas
2004-Nov-18, 05:55 PM
If I would meet an alien species on a distant planet, the first thing I would do is wait and see what they are undertaking. Seems the safest and most polite thing to do. Only if they don't seem like killing you and aren't massively afraid, you could try to slowly come closer when they don't do that themselves. But if they are interested in you, they will come closer by themselves. Unless you spaceship happens to be Uzi-shaped by some coÔncidence maybe. :D

kucharek
2004-Nov-18, 06:08 PM
Maybe they would keep it passive, like not searching contact themselves, passing the ball to us when they are near or on earth. something like "if you want to get to know us, visit us". What happens on Earth stays on Earth. :D
We beam all our reality shows up to satellites and most of it misses them and so is broadcast to THEM. :oops:

PS: Maybe that's the reason why THEY avoid contact with us...

Understandable...

2004-Nov-18, 06:38 PM
I'd ask them to take me away... :D

dvb
2004-Nov-18, 07:45 PM
Take me to your lieder! :o

2004-Nov-18, 07:58 PM
Take me to your lieder! :o

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

Makgraf
2004-Nov-18, 09:37 PM
If aliens contacted us would the government keep it secret? I don't know.
Could they keep it secret? I doubt it. The ship of state is the only one that leaks from the top.

Assuming the contact is just the aliens informing us of their existance (and not contacting us say, by blowing us up ala Independance Day) then I think there might be some hysteria at first but after being digested through the 24 hour news channels and the last night comedians I think it would become old news pretty fast.

The religious aspect would be interesting. Would aliens be considered to have souls? Would they been seen as devils? Would you have religious schisms based on the alien question? Would some interpret it as signaling the end of the world?

And what would be the broder impact on the human phyche. What if every star is settled and every discovery is already discovered. Would we just give up as a species? Would we launch some form of galatic crusade (Take that intersteller community!)? Maybe we'd all pack into space arks and head off to other galaxies.

Gullible Jones
2004-Nov-19, 01:57 AM
I would have a lot to talk to the aliens about... :lol:

xbck1
2004-Nov-19, 02:39 AM
If the aliens decided to come to Earth, I would probably think, "Cool!" Then I'd keep on browsing the Web.

I'm of the idea that there would be a bunch of small groups of people that would panic, commit suicide, etc. The rest of the world would just keep on keepin' on; I don't think there would be too much impact other than everybody talking about aliens all the time. What could people actually do besides speculate about them and rehash all the stuff they already know?

I certainly don't think that "all of humanity will be united" or some crap like that. We'd all take it a different way and just move on eventually. Sure, we'd get some interesting cultural exchanges or something, but other than that, I don't think much would change.

ozsmurf
2004-Nov-19, 04:31 AM
2nd what xbck1 said. The x-prize being claimed was in about page 6 of the local papers here, and was metioned on the news but was not the headline for the day. Some people (the BABBers) would be very interested and others would still want to talk about the football (or cricket).

Of course long term there would be huge impacts, but short term a lot of people would be "so what?".

ComputerTech
2004-Nov-19, 05:21 AM
Interesting question indeed...

The bigger question is what happens to all of the UFO abductee's after such a discovery is made?

The thing that has recently caught my eye is the fact that a lot of the abduction or UFO witness stories are all very similar. Though not direct evidence of anything does make me wonder.

#1. The UFO was virtually silent. That's seems very common in a lot of UFO stories.

#2. Heat, radiation or chemical burns from the UFO. Either burnt areas around the object or on the witness.

#3. Various groups of crafts seen multiple times. Disk shaped, triangle shaped, etc. Sometimes multiple people, see exactly the same described object in completely different area's with burn marks to prove it.

#4. The examination of humans on board. Similar examinations almost everytime. One woman (1970's) described a "thin tv going over her body" taking pictures. She was describing what we use today, plasma screens. Or Betty and Barney Hill saying the aliens did not know why her teeth came out but Barney's did not. She had dentures.

#5. The alien beings having very thin, small bodies but large black eyes. Some attribute this consistant coincidence with movies from very early on, but I doubt it. I mean, we've all seen movies with OTHER types of aliens but rarely do we see them crop up in highly investigated abduction stories. The consistant alien description is almost always small bodies, big heads with big black eyes.

The point is, there are numerous stories where the UFO cases are incredibly similar. So, if we make contact and find that they do have large black eyes with thin bodies as described by thousands of abductee's then maybe we don't want to know them! lol..

What if we came in contact with aliens years ago and never revealed it?

Because, if we come in contact with aliens now.. then the question becomes what about every single UFO/Alien story from the last 60 years?

xbck1
2004-Nov-19, 05:50 AM
[huge snip] Because, if we come in contact with aliens now.. then the question becomes what about every single UFO/Alien story from the last 60 years?Well, I don't think that any of the "abductees" would be any more credible unless the aliens looked like what those people describe, did things as those people describe, and actually admitted doing the things that those people say happened to them.

Also, regarding how people have similar "abduction" experiences, there are many ways to explain that. There are numerous problems with people saying that they've been abducted by aliens. One of the problems is that people naturally try to classify everything they see in their own subconscious catalog of reference that they build up from the moment they're born. Sure, the big-eyes-small-mouth-pale-skin description is very weird, but that's still very much like a human. The eyes are the same shape, the body is the same shape, they have all their sensory organs in the same familiar cluster as a human. I just find it too hard to believe that aliens would look like a bald, skinny version of me with a big head and weird eyes.

Oh, and has anybody noticed that these (http://www.horrorcards.org/marsattacks.html) trading cards came out a while before most "abduction" cases? They have big eyes and head, small stature, etc. Hmmmmm.

Morrolan
2004-Nov-19, 06:43 AM
well, all previous UFO and abduction stories can be discounted as it's pointless for this discussion and none of the fever dreams have proven to be true. so that's all Fantasyland anyway.

what is interesting lies more before the 'keeping it a secret' question:

1. assuming something from outside of the solar system would approach it.
2. assuming those on board would be interested not in any of the other planets, but only ours.
3. assuming their visit would be for the sake of making contact, and not for sampling or collection of specimens for their local zoo or vivisection lab....

then what criteria would they apply to decide where and with whom to make contact? population density of any given area? absence of human habitation? temperature? level of technical development (and how would an alien civilisation measure that?)? contact (that's a good one: which language do they speak, probably none of the local ones)?

my guess is, they'd approach it the way we would (and have in the past) approach 'new land': chart out the imediate area for a suitable landing spot (i.e. easy in, easy out) and land.

can any of those that were involved in some of NASA's recent explorations tell us how landing sites are chosen? maybe it would go in the same way.

(by the way, i think keeping this a secret would be impossible, given the proven inability of any government of keeping even the smallest thing secret.)

NB. please don't see this as a hijack, i'm trying to build on the OP.

[edited typo]

Enzp
2004-Nov-19, 09:49 AM
I would be very surprised if the government did not try to hide it until they found a way to capitalize on it. They do that to everything else.

I don't worry about the people though. Half of us already believe in ET already, so this is no revelation to them. The Hoaglands of the world will hop on the bandwagon and say they told us so, but they will do that even in the absence of ET. Those of us who think about things will find it interesting. If ET lands in London, Paris, Washington, or Des Moines, I still have to heat my house and feed myself. A few overly emotional people will perceive an undefined threat or malevolence, but most of us will go on about our day.

Some years back when they discovered the Mars rock here on Earth and they thought they found evidence of life, the scientists said there was the possibility of life on Mars, but the local newscasters simply said "Scientists today said they have found life on Mars." Not so much as a peep from the populace. The people didn't know the newscaster was wrong.

I also think we are no more or no less "ready" to meet ET now than at another time. I think the "maturing" of humanity is a fantasy notion from Sci Fi. We are the same people we were 30,000 years ago, we just have more technology. We still believe in spooks, we still fear the dark and the unknown. We still invade other villages and otherwise express a certain selfishness. SOme of us are peaceful and others bellicose. SOme care about the world, the universe around us, others don't. I will spend hours outside freezing with my face to the sky when the aurora is up there. My wife though will say "Yeah,yeah, I'm watching Law and Order, YOU go freeze."

So I don't expect a lot of repercussions. I do however expect instant marketing.

dvb
2004-Nov-19, 10:10 AM
Thank you everyone for your viewpoints.

I could imagine conspiracy theories cropping up everywhere even if aliens had good intentions for us. I can see most people having a hard time believing anything that the aliens say to us, since we have a hard enough time believing anything our own governments say half the time. There would be a lot of misinformation, and fear would spawn from that. Many might start believing that the aliens have a hidden agenda, even if they don't.

What I can't see happening is the majority of people being indifferent to the subject. I mean come on here. Aliens? This is bigger than anything we've ever discovered. I think there would be a lot of open ears to such news, and certainly not on page 4 of the local newspaper.

ComputerTech
2004-Nov-19, 10:28 AM
[huge snip] Because, if we come in contact with aliens now.. then the question becomes what about every single UFO/Alien story from the last 60 years?Well, I don't think that any of the "abductees" would be any more credible unless the aliens looked like what those people describe, did things as those people describe, and actually admitted doing the things that those people say happened to them.

Also, regarding how people have similar "abduction" experiences, there are many ways to explain that. There are numerous problems with people saying that they've been abducted by aliens. One of the problems is that people naturally try to classify everything they see in their own subconscious catalog of reference that they build up from the moment they're born. Sure, the big-eyes-small-mouth-pale-skin description is very weird, but that's still very much like a human. The eyes are the same shape, the body is the same shape, they have all their sensory organs in the same familiar cluster as a human. I just find it too hard to believe that aliens would look like a bald, skinny version of me with a big head and weird eyes.

Oh, and has anybody noticed that these (http://www.horrorcards.org/marsattacks.html) trading cards came out a while before most "abduction" cases? They have big eyes and head, small stature, etc. Hmmmmm.

There's no doubt we could debunk abductee cases untill we are blue in the face. Yet, we'd be no closer to the truth. :oops:

There have been numerous hollywood aliens, of varying kinds for years. The only one that I've ever seen mentioned in abduction cases are the gray's. We will be very suprised if when we do discover such a thing, that they are not the ones described by the abductee's for years. Then again.. lol, we could learn from the different ones that the gray's are another race on another planet! lol, I give up! :roll:

One thing you said that bugged me was you saying the aliens would need to admit they abducted them. Why? How else would the person know exactly what they look like if they were not abducted? Wild guess?

I am not sure why you find having big eyes and a head so unbelievable, but we all have our own threshold. :)

The issue of one day proving aliens exist changes EVERYTHING regarding what we currently know about it. Too much to accuratly discuss on here probably! Mind boggling stuff.

ComputerTech
2004-Nov-19, 10:29 AM
The alien leader would of course, be the anti-christ. :o

xbck1
2004-Nov-19, 06:20 PM
The alien leader would of course, be the anti-christ. :oOy vey. That was entirely unneeded and pointless.


One thing you said that bugged me was you saying the aliens would need to admit they abducted them. Why? How else would the person know exactly what they look like if they were not abducted? Wild guess?Well, I'm not the type of person who just relies on what people say. If I did that, I'd believe in chamtrails, lizards running the government, and pod people from Uranus. If, on the other hand, there was overwhelming evidence to support something then I'd probably be convinced. But if the aliens came and they looked like giant purple Sno-Balls, then I'd have a real hard time believing anybody about an "abduction" story.

So, if aliens came and looked like what people have been describing, acted like what people have been describing, did things that people have been describing, and even told us after all those qualifiers that they have been doing what people have been describing, then HEY! I'll probably believe it.