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Raptor1967
2004-Dec-23, 10:26 PM
I hope what I heard isn't True but I think Newfoundland is separating from Canada. I heard a bit on the radio about how they are taking down the Canadian flags even as I write this. All I can say to all my Friends out there is WE ARE REALLY GONNA MISS YOU. As far as I am concerned there isn't a friendlier more Heartwarming place on the planet. I say this with tears in my Eyes as I don't think Canada is ever going to be the same if this turns out to be true.

Parrothead
2004-Dec-23, 10:43 PM
It's not that bad. Williams is asking the provinces take down Canadian flags to show support, in what he feels is Ottawa playing games (unfaithful bargaining) over off-shore oil revenues. I agree Newfoundland is a friendly and heart-warming place. They will not be splitting away, just a means of keeping the feds to their words, from the last federal election. LINK (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1103816797289_37/?hub=TopStories).

Raptor1967
2004-Dec-23, 10:47 PM
THANK YOU I have been to busy to check it out and that news makes me feel better. And in that case all the power to them I support them Wholeheartedly

jrkeller
2004-Dec-23, 11:05 PM
I feel a 51st state coming soon.

Maksutov
2004-Dec-24, 01:35 AM
Does this include the part of Newfoundland that has a section of the Torngat Mountains? That's some really beautiful, wild, remote country up there!

The Supreme Canuck
2004-Dec-24, 04:09 AM
They're not going anywhere. The premier's just had a bit of a fit. They'll get over it.

Doe, John
2004-Dec-24, 04:21 AM
This isn't serious? I mean if a state in the USA hauled down the American Flag at their capitol I would think it pretty serious.

The Supreme Canuck
2004-Dec-24, 04:44 AM
Think about it. They did it to get more money from the federal government. If they separate, they get no federal money. They need that money to stay afloat and so cannot separate. Besides, there would need to be a referendum for it to be legal. Certainly I'm a bit concerned, but this sort of thing has happened before. Quebec (for a while now) obviously, but also Alberta (nowhere near as seriously as Quebec, though).

Interestingly enough, if Quebec had won the most recent referendum, the Canadian government would have sent troops to defend federal property. That could have gotten ugly.

ZaphodBeeblebrox
2004-Dec-24, 05:45 AM
Think about it. They did it to get more money from the federal government. If they separate, they get no federal money. They need that money to stay afloat and so cannot separate. Besides, there would need to be a referendum for it to be legal. Certainly I'm a bit concerned, but this sort of thing has happened before. Quebec (for a while now) obviously, but also Alberta (nowhere near as seriously as Quebec, though).

Interestingly enough, if Quebec had won the most recent referendum, the Canadian government would have sent troops to defend federal property. That could have gotten ugly.

It'll happen eventually ...

The First Time, the Vote was 25%-75%, the Last Time, the Vote was 49%-51%, does anybody know, what happens, when you Switch the Numbers, The Next Time?

Makgraf
2004-Dec-24, 06:19 AM
This isn't serious? I mean if a state in the USA hauled down the American Flag at their capitol I would think it pretty serious.
Quebec does stuff like this all the time (their premier even refered to our flag as "a red rag"). Of course they do call their provincial parliament "The National Assembly" and the head of their province "The Prime Minister".

Newfoundland probably won't have enough people to seperate, it's haemorghing its population. Plus as the Supreme Canuck pointed out, they get beaucoup federal money which they wouldn't if they seperated.

Bawheid
2004-Dec-24, 08:57 AM
A lot of Newfies are of Scots descent aren't they? We'll take them back. :D

TriangleMan
2004-Dec-24, 11:52 AM
From what I've read the Newfoundland Premier is a bit of a reactionary type anyway but this is pretty dramatic. Ottawa should hold its guns though otherwise every province with an "issue" will start removing flags as a means to try to get what they want.

As for Newfoundland separating I'm not sure it would improve anything for them. It was not a rich territory when it joined Canada, and has remained one of the most economically troubled provinces ever since. The collapse of the cod fishery hasn't helped at all either and the province receives billions of dollars every year from the federal government. Separating from Canada will not turn their economy around so the populace will continue to leave Newfoundland to find work.

Moose
2004-Dec-24, 12:57 PM
It's no big deal.

Anywhere else it would be pretty reactionary, but this is basically a stunt to get attention and blow off steam.

It's not even an original stunt. (Greg Thomey's "Jerry Boyle of the Newfoundland Separation Federation") He's simply trying to get Ottawa's attention. If RevCan got a dollar for every time a province (or city, for that matter) threatened to separate, we'd have the national debt cleared by now.

We've become so used to our politicians doing weird stuff (the flag flap, the rhino party, Preston Manning) that they have to pull the really big stunts like that to get any kind of real attention at all.

If he was at all serious about it, he'd be holding a referendum and publishing poll after poll showing he has the support to pull it off.

He just wants Ottawa to reconsider their stance on transfer payments. Most provinces do (and there is some validity to their argument.)

Ut
2004-Dec-24, 02:02 PM
It's not that easy to just get up and leave the country. The federal government and the Queen have to let you leave. The BNA leaves room for provinces to join, but the only one granted the right to pack its bags and leave was Nova Scotia, and I think we lost that in 1982. It'd take a lot more than the premier trying to win over support by taking down the flag, or 50%+1 of people voting for a split in a referendum.

Quebec isn't going anywhere. Part of its latest plan for separation is to leave its debt to Canada. That ain't happening. Like I said, they're not allowed to just get up and leave; they have to be let go, and there's no federal government short of a Bloc Quebequois government that would grant them that.

-- Edited because the L key on this keyboard is teh crud.

Candy
2004-Dec-24, 02:05 PM
It'd take a lot more than the premier trying to win over support by taking down the fag, or 50%+1 of people voting for a split in a referendum.
:lol:

Raptor1967
2004-Dec-24, 03:24 PM
Well I finally had time to check out the news and thank god. I couldn't live without the newfies I love them all.

Now lets all go down a bottle of screech and salute their tenacity

Parrothead
2004-Dec-24, 05:07 PM
Well I finally had time to check out the news and thank god. I couldn't live without the newfies I love them all.

Now lets all go down a bottle of screech and salute their tenacity

Well, I finished off the Screech I had on hand, earlier this year. Now, the bottle of overproof rum my sister brought me from Jamaica could be closer to the real thing (http://www.geocities.com/sky_lar/nfldscreech.html) :wink:

The Supreme Canuck
2004-Dec-24, 06:36 PM
Like I said, they're not allowed to just get up and leave; they have to be let go, and there's no federal government short of a Bloc Quebequois government that would grant them that.

And that can't happen unless all of the other major parties really mess up. Even then, they'd have a minority government, and I doubt any coalition would back Quebec separation.

Doe, John
2004-Dec-25, 05:44 AM
Canadian politics sounds real interesting. We used to do something similar down south. At a stop light everybody would jump out of the car and run around to a new seat, including the driver. If you didn't jump back in in time, you got left behind. :lol:

Makgraf
2004-Dec-25, 06:04 AM
Canadian politics sounds real interesting.
This is probably the first (and last) time anyone has ever said this. :).

This is actually a (relatively) interesting period in Canadian politics. For most of our history the country has been ruled by Liberals (with interludes of Conservative governments that were, as Hobbes described man, nasty, brutish and short). But now the Liberal hegemony has been, at least temporarily, broken. The Conservative Party (which which made with a merger of two parties: one with the oxymoronic name of Progressive Conservatives and the other that was orginally named CCRAP) has a shot at forming the next government. Meanwhile you have the socialist New Democratic Party and the seperatist Bloc Quebecois nipping at their heels, though neither has any chance of forming a government. No party has a majority in Parliament, in fact no two parties put together have a majority. So it'll be interesting to see what happens.

Ut
2004-Dec-25, 01:51 PM
The Conservatives won't get power until right wing radical Refoooooooooooormers aren't at the helm. Something about the water in Alberta that seems to make people desire to limit the rights of those not cut from the same cookie cutter as them... It's unsettling to many people.

Also, everyone hates Alberta.