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01101001
2005-Jan-27, 10:06 PM
I subjected you to some of my ambigram art before, mostly names of some science greats, in the Explain your name (http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=293342#293342) topic.

I am pleased to announce that I have created a Plait ambigram.

For background, an ambigram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambigram) is a word or phrase expressed so that it can be read in more than one way. I like to do rotationally symmetric ambigrams that read the same upside down as they do right side up.

Someone asked if I had read Scott Kim (http://www.scottkim.com/inversions/)'s book, Inversions (available here (http://www.scottkim.com/store/index.html)). Indeed. It's the bible of ambigramming. I highly recommend it, not just for its specific topic of graphical manipulations but also for its insights into creativity and design.

To kick things off, here is a rotationally symmetric ambigram of Phil (http://www.01101001.com/images/phil.gif):
http://www.01101001.com/images/phil_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/phil.gif)

Here are some more given-names ambigrams from my collection [of course, copyrighted; all rights reserved; they are hard work!]:

Anna (http://www.01101001.com/images/anna.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/anna_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/anna.gif)

Bob (http://www.01101001.com/images/bob.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/bob_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/bob.gif)

Candy (http://www.01101001.com/images/candy.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/candy_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/candy.gif)

Dave (http://www.01101001.com/images/dave.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/dave_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/dave.gif)

George (http://www.01101001.com/images/george.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/george_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/george.gif)

Jim (http://www.01101001.com/images/jim.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/jim_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/jim.gif)

Julie (http://www.01101001.com/images/julie.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/julie_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/julie.gif)

Ken (http://www.01101001.com/images/ken.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/ken_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/ken.gif)

Michael (http://www.01101001.com/images/michael.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/michael_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/michael.gif)

Mimi (http://www.01101001.com/images/mimi.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/mimi_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/mimi.gif)

Molly (http://www.01101001.com/images/molly.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/molly_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/molly.gif)

Vivian (http://www.01101001.com/images/vivian.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/vivian_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/vivian.gif)

Will (http://www.01101001.com/images/will.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/will_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/will.gif)

So, where's Plait? Not yet. It's not ready for publication. I'm still tweaking it -- one-pixel adjustmets, here, there, to improve readablity. I'll unveil it in a couple of days. In the mean time, puzzle lovers might want to try their own versions. See if you come up with a similar solution, or even a better one.

The Bad Astronomer
2005-Jan-27, 10:15 PM
Wow.

Wow.

Now, if you can The Bad Astronomer, I might have a use for it. :-)

pghnative
2005-Jan-27, 10:29 PM
...I'm still tweaking it -- one-pixel adjustmets, ....
Do you have a program that changes the second (symmetric) pixel automatically, or do you have to do that manually?

mickal555
2005-Jan-27, 10:49 PM
Cool you did michael....

01101001
2005-Jan-27, 11:08 PM
...I'm still tweaking it -- one-pixel adjustmets, ....
Do you have a program that changes the second (symmetric) pixel automatically, or do you have to do that manually?
I wish. I think Scott Kim once published a Macintosh program to facilitate ambigramming that might have had that feature. I should look for something like that, or just grit my teeth and write it.

Yeah, due to its rotational symmetery, when you push an ambigram in one place, it pops out somewhere else. That's what makes readability a challenge, for if you change a part so it looks better, its corresponding part might well look worse.

There's nothing like that in the paint programs I use. I just mark the point of symmetry in a project and keep making changes, copying the half I changed, flipping it over and taking a look at the whole result, often rejecting the change. Some of that certainly could be automated.

Incidentally, one thing that I don't think can be automated yet, something many people have suggested, is the part that requires creativity. Many urge that a computer program could just morph and massage opposite ends of a word and get them to look like each other. While something certainly would result, I think it would be hard to have a machine to fully understand readability, what makes letters distinct and equally important what makes them similar. It would be an interesting artificial intelligence problem to render really good ambigrams.

Somewhere on the Web is, or was, an automated ambigrammer, but it was pretty ugly. It simply worked letter-by-letter, just having a table of how every letter could me forced to look like every other letter upside down. The results were... less than pleasing.

I usually have to doodle with a word for many minutes or hours, sometimes mull it over for days, to come up with a good ambigram -- if I even can. Converting it to digital form is just a painful step I do at the end, but sometimes it can take longer than the fun part.

Nicolas
2005-Jan-27, 11:24 PM
I've once written a JAVA prog that automatically draws the other pixel. It wasn't hard at all. I've lost the code though.

Maksutov
2005-Jan-27, 11:44 PM
Great work!

Wait until our third most numerous poster sees her name!

More examples of how skilled the human brain is at picking out patterns and shapes, even when extremely distorted. Its ability to discern all the variations on the basic alphabet has always amazed me. No wonder we often see things that aren't really there, even on Mars. :wink:

Normandy6644
2005-Jan-27, 11:51 PM
I also like how that first "Phil" also looks like "Phd."

Candy
2005-Jan-27, 11:59 PM
Great work!

Wait until our third most numerous poster sees her name!
http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/spezial/Fool/bis.gif
I'd like to thank the academy..

Maksutov
2005-Jan-28, 12:10 AM
I also like how that first "Phil" also looks like "Phd."
Yeah, that is nice. For some reason the first thing it reminded me of was


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BTW, research into Phil's middle initial (it's "C" not "H", darn, as documented on the second page of a certain book) led me to this page (http://epo.sonoma.edu/group/plait.html). Phil's doing great work, but something has to be done about that "NASA E/PO Education Resource Director" acronym! :D

The Bad Astronomer
2005-Jan-28, 12:52 AM
That acronym was chosen on purpose. 8)

Maksutov
2005-Jan-28, 02:12 AM
OK, you got your revenge! :D

sarongsong
2005-Jan-28, 03:33 AM
...Wait until our third most numerous poster...
Aha...a Candygram! =D>

01101001
2005-Jan-28, 05:53 AM
Phil's doing great work, but something has to be done about that "NASA E/PO Education Resource Director" acronym!
Sometimes, an ambigram doesn't take very long to do.

Nerd (http://www.01101001.com/images/nerd.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/nerd_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/nerd.gif)

lyford
2005-Jan-28, 06:20 AM
That acronym was chosen on purpose. 8)

Yes, but I swear that pic sure makes it look like you have a giant earring (xmas ornament, I know, but still....) Would a true NERD be so stylish?

http://epo.sonoma.edu/group/plait.jpg

Or was that pic chosen on purpose too? :lol:

Amadeus
2005-Jan-28, 11:23 AM
Ha!

Take that, Da vinci code!
Lost secrets indeed!

Argos
2005-Jan-28, 11:56 AM
Beautiful art. Very cool. Congrats. :wink:

mickal555
2005-Jan-28, 12:38 PM
Awesome :D btw

Candy
2005-Jan-28, 02:33 PM
Phil's doing great work, but something has to be done about that "NASA E/PO Education Resource Director" acronym! :D
He used this for the AstroFest, too! (http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=327438#327438) :P

lyford
2005-Jan-28, 03:08 PM
oh and i forgot - great stuff 01101001!

I like dave and george the best since the look like "normal" script, and then reveal their secrets later!

A Thousand Pardons
2005-Jan-28, 03:38 PM
Sometimes, an ambigram doesn't take very long to do.
I thought I'd try it with Milli, and it was fast:
http://mensware.home.mindspring.com/dan/ambsmill.gif
so I tried it with Pardons, but I used my left hand. It didn't come out so well:
http://mensware.home.mindspring.com/dan/ambspard.gif

Kebsis
2005-Jan-28, 04:16 PM
Do Kebsis! Do Kebsis!

jfribrg
2005-Jan-28, 04:16 PM
Have you ever seen an ambigram for dyslexic?

lyford
2005-Jan-28, 05:31 PM
so I tried it with Pardons, but I used my left hand. It didn't come out so well:
http://mensware.home.mindspring.com/dan/ambspard.gif

Now practice it a THOUSAND TIMES!!!! :wink:


Have you ever seen an ambigram for dyslexic?
Or an ambigram of a palindrome? *pop*

01101001
2005-Jan-28, 07:34 PM
Have you ever seen an ambigram for dyslexic?
Or an ambigram of a palindrome? *pop*

I think Scott Kim's book, Inversions (http://www.scottkim.com/store/index.html), has an ambigram of either dyslexic or dyslexia. It had mirror symmetry, reading the same left to right as right to left.

Ambigrammed palindromes tend to be strings of letters that themsleves, individually, have, or can be made to have, symmetry. Madam, I'm Adam (http://punya.educ.msu.edu/PunyaWeb/ambigrams/display.asp?ID=147) is an example.

Oh, I found the automatic ambigram generator, Ambigram-matic (http://ambigram.matic.com/ambigram.htm), that I spoke of earlier. They have Able was I ere I saw Elba some ways down their main page. It lacks a certain something -- like having the result seem all of the same font/face.

At work, I have a gallery of my ambigrams posted on the wall. On several occasions, I received what I consider my highest compliment, from people who didn't understand what they were seeing: "Hmm, interesting collection of fonts." That elates me.

George
2005-Jan-28, 10:25 PM
George (http://www.01101001.com/images/george.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/george_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/george.gif)

Cool 8).

Thanks.

Hmmm....but, how do I know wether I am upside-down or not? :wink:
It's like lookin in a mirror and wondering what he's thinkin? #-o

Candy
2005-Jan-28, 11:37 PM
http://mensware.home.mindspring.com/dan/ambspard.gif
What's a goopsod? :wink:

Maksutov
2005-Jan-28, 11:46 PM
George (http://www.01101001.com/images/george.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/george_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/george.gif)

Cool 8).

Thanks.

Hmmm....but, how do I know wether I am upside-down or not? :wink:
It's like lookin in a mirror and wondering what he's thinkin? #-o
It all depends on what kind of reference frame you're dragging with you. :D

Maksutov
2005-Jan-28, 11:50 PM
http://mensware.home.mindspring.com/dan/ambspard.gif
What's a goopsod? :wink:
It's where they grow the plants that are used to produce this stuff:

http://img174.exs.cx/img174/4707/12cutout200w9zf.jpg

mickal555
2005-Jan-29, 03:44 AM
kebsis: http://img161.exs.cx/img161/203/kebis7ym.gif
there you are :D

I'm lucky in that my first name is the same length as my last name:

Michael
Scotson

So I could get michael and flip it into Scotson

01101001
2005-Jan-29, 04:47 AM
kebsis: http://img161.exs.cx/img161/203/kebis7ym.gif
there you are :D

Here's a rough sketch of the sort of thing you can get if you don't take a letter-by-letter approach:

http://www.01101001.com/temporary/kebsis_t.gif

(Kebsis, if you want it, make yourself a copy. I'm not going to keep it on the Net for too long. I did the creative part; you can do the laborious polishing. Post it here if you do,)

George
2005-Jan-29, 04:47 AM
George (http://www.01101001.com/images/george.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/george_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/george.gif)

Cool 8).

Thanks.

Hmmm....but, how do I know wether I am upside-down or not? :wink:
It's like lookin in a mirror and wondering what he's thinkin? #-o
It all depends on what kind of reference frame you're dragging with you. :D
:)

SKY
2005-Jan-29, 05:08 AM
Those are very cool 01101001. :)

mickal555
2005-Jan-29, 08:20 AM
how do you do it?
I tried michael into that generator and it did't look like writing at all... your one looks great I think candy's looks the best then michael then phil(the PHD lookalike clinches it)

01101001
2005-Jan-29, 09:49 AM
how do you do it?
I tried michael into that generator and it did't look like writing at all... your one looks great I think candy's looks the best then michael then phil(the PHD lookalike clinches it)
Well, the Ambigram-matic (http://ambigram.matic.com/ambigram.htm) just works letter by letter, and, for instance, in Michael it uses an m that upside-down looks like an l, and that's a very tall order, and it winds up looking more like a bolt of lightning.

If you look at the Michael I did -- and incidentally, Scott Kim did one for his book that I saw after doing mine and it looked quite similar -- the Mi pair of letters, when reversed, turns into the triplet ael. I think a computer program could do a lot better if instead of a 26x26 table of how each letter looks like every other letter upside down, it also had a very much larger table including pairs and triplets (and quads?) of letters -- but the task of creating that table would be daunting.

And, that wouldn't even cover a lot of what I wind up doing. If you look at that Kebsis example above, I think in all cases that it is only parts of letters (or parts of pairs) that reverse into just parts of corresponding letters. The boundaries between letters are surprisingly fluid, just due to the way we read and write, and exploiting that gives a lot more flexibility.

How do I do it? First, like most things, it does get easier with practice. My first ambigrams were a great struggle for me, but after 20 or 30 of them, it did seem to get easier. I've got a lot of tricks in my toolbag now, for situations I've seen before. Like, in the Nerd I did above, I had done the e-r flip before, so the only real issue for me was finding an N that looked like an upside-down d.

As you might guess, when I start doodling, I write the subject word and then below it write it upside down. I tend to look mostly for ways that vertical lines might line up. I try to find potential centers of rotation, not necessarily in the middle of the middle letter (or between the pair of middle letters). The lines very near that point need to show a little symmetry, so it's easy to reject candidates. If a solution doesn't start to come to me, then I have to begin trying a different case -- lower vs. upper, or style -- script vs. printing, or face -- serif vs. sanserif. That's where it can get hard, because the territory to explore just got much bigger.

If I'm still stuck, to tell the truth, I begin changing the goal. If I'm having trouble doing an ambigram for, say, Michael Scotson, I might try to do Michael, or MichaelS, or Mike, or MS. I had to do that for my grandfather William, who mostly went by Bill. I couldn't do pleasing versions of either, so I did that Will, above. Someone, some time, must have called him Will. Then, to make amends, I did a Wm which I know he did use -- but that was just a little bit too easy.

Sometimes, though, you just have to plug away. In doing all my then 19 closest relatives (now 21; I wish I had input on my new great-nieces's and -nephew's names, for they threw me some hard ones) I was stuck on both grandmothers, Gerda and Verna. Nothing. I'd stop and try again a month or two later. After 6 months, I finally got a Verna, a good one. It was more than a year later that a Gerda finally came to me, one rather elegant.

It amazes me how loing the same brain can fail at a problem, over and over, and then suddenly one day come up with a solution. And, of course then it's obvious. How does that work?

Oh, I just remembered one trick I learned from the Inversions book -- though it has a lot of suggestions for solving ambigram problems. It surprised me, but words in roman characters carry most of their information in the physical upper half. You can see it yourself if you cover up the upper half of some text and try to read it, and then the lower half. If you can get the upper halves of letters readable, then you can take some liberties with their lower halves -- which then become, conveniently, upper halves when the word is turned over. I've used that curious fact a lot.

Edit: That's dumb, talking about them without showing them, so:

Verna (http://www.01101001.com/images/verna.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/verna_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/verna.gif)

Gerda (http://www.01101001.com/images/gerda.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/gerda_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/gerda.gif)

Fram
2005-Jan-29, 01:17 PM
That 'Gerda' is beautiful (as are many others of yours). I tried it (as a basic exercise, nothing as fancy as yours) with Fram, but it turned out that I had made a left-right symmetrical one in uppercase, not a left-right and upside down one like yours. Can you also call that an ambigram, or are the rules quite strict?

Jim
2005-Jan-29, 05:34 PM
Hey, thanks!!
:D =D>

01101001
2005-Jan-29, 06:09 PM
I tried it (as a basic exercise, nothing as fancy as yours) with Fram, but it turned out that I had made a left-right symmetrical one in uppercase, not a left-right and upside down one like yours. Can you also call that an ambigram, or are the rules quite strict?

Liberal. That's still good. I just seem to prefer rotational symmetry, but mirror-symmetry still qualifies as an ambigram. Ambigrams don't even have to have symmetry. Broadly, they are just words or phrases that can be read in more than one way, not necessarily the same way twice. The glyph 6 is an ambigram.

Ambi-gram: both writing.

Sidebar: Ever notice how humans are good at detecting mirror, or bilateral, symmetry, much moreso than detecting rotational symmetry? No doubt, there is some evolutionary advantage in recognizing the symmetry of such as other humans, and animals, and plants, and now our tools, structures and vehicles.

If I show someone a 180-degree rotationally symmetric ambigram on a piece of paper, almost always they'll sit there and keep turning the paper around to convince themselves it's true. Heck, I even do that on a fresh design, even though I created it and know with certainty it is rotationally symmetric. The old brain just wants to make sure -- again and again, like there's something magical about it, like, "Maybe when I flip it this time it will look different!"

A Thousand Pardons
2005-Jan-29, 08:19 PM
http://mensware.home.mindspring.com/dan/ambspard.gif
What's a goopsod?
hey, it was left handed. But I still don't know how you saw that r as an o, or even the a as an o. And you missed the e. And my d's don't look like that--that's an f.

OK, OK, I'll practice.

01101001
2005-Jan-29, 08:39 PM
Now, if you can The Bad Astronomer, I might have a use for it. :-)
Heh. Don't think I didn't try. No luck to date. I'm not optimistic.

But, for you star-knowledge folks out there, Astronomy has been done by others. The best I've seen, unfortunately not Net-viewable, is in the book Wordplay (http://www.johnlangdon.net/New_Pages/Things_for_Sale.htm), by John Langdon (http://www.johnlangdon.net/). (Review: Too much philosophy, not enough drawing -- but the ambigrams by this professional graphic artist are sublime.)

A somewhat similar version of Astonomy, not quite so suave, is here (http://punya.educ.msu.edu/PunyaWeb/ambigrams/display.asp?ID=98), from a collection of several hundred ambigrams, here (http://punya.educ.msu.edu/PunyaWeb/ambigrams/options.asp).

01101001
2005-Jan-30, 12:48 AM
I am pleased to announce that I have created a Plait ambigram.
OK. It's done cooking. I hope it lives up to expectations.

First, as a refresher:

Phil (http://www.01101001.com/images/phil.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/phil_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/phil.gif)

And, now, without further ado...

Plait (http://www.01101001.com/temporary/plait.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/temporary/plait_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/temporary/plait.gif)

Some of you, I think, saw this next bit coming. So, what happens when you stir them together?

Phil Plait, PhD (http://www.01101001.com/images/philplaitphd.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/philplaitphd_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/philplaitphd.gif)

Yeah, I know. It's PhD. And, yeah, PlAiT, is pretty weird capitalization. Well, you just have to do the best you can with the material you're given.

Moose
2005-Jan-30, 01:13 AM
Sweet.

Tobin Dax
2005-Jan-30, 04:24 AM
01101001, these are great and fun to look at.

I tried my name last night just free-handing it in MSPaint, but I couldn't quite get "Scott" to work. Can you make anything of that? I had some half-decent ideas, but it never completely worked the way I was doing it. I attempted to rotate around the "o" or the "co," it was rather difficult getting "S" or "Sc" into appealling "tt''s.

Normandy6644
2005-Jan-30, 06:31 AM
That rules!

Musashi
2005-Jan-30, 06:48 AM
Here is a very crude attempt at Scott:

http://img140.exs.cx/img140/6566/scott8si.png

Maybe guide is a better word than attempt.

01101001
2005-Jan-30, 07:51 AM
Here is a very crude attempt at Scott:
That reminds me that Scott Kim's Inversions, not surprisingly, has a Scott in it. If I knew which book box it was in, I'd try to show Tobin Dax what Kim's looks like. It's along the lines of Musashi's, but I remember more swirly lines, more horizontal lines -- but I just don't remember near enough to reproduce it. Grr.

What's worse than not being able to solve a puzzle? Not being able to solve a puzzle you have already seen the solution to!

Musashi
2005-Jan-30, 08:17 AM
Pixel version (and small)

http://img188.exs.cx/img188/8128/scott29fv.png

Tobin Dax
2005-Jan-30, 08:20 PM
Here is a very crude attempt at Scott:

http://img140.exs.cx/img140/6566/scott8si.png

Maybe guide is a better word than attempt.

#-o I never thought about putting the cross-bars at the top/bottom. My t's were always lower-case. Nice job, Musashi. I might take that idea and run with it when I get the chance.

Candy
2005-Jan-31, 03:52 AM
OK, OK, I'll practice.
Perhaps, you should start out simple, and just work with the A. :lol:

pmcolt
2005-Jan-31, 04:22 AM
All I can say is: wow, 01101001! I tried to do my own username myself, and it looks awful. Too bad my name isn't something simpler, like 'doop'.

http://www.thewolfweb.com/photos/00378746.jpg

01101001
2005-Feb-12, 04:01 AM
Here is a very crude attempt at Scott:
That reminds me that Scott Kim's Inversions, not surprisingly, has a Scott in it. If I knew which book box it was in, I'd try to show Tobin Dax what Kim's looks like. It's along the lines of Musashi's, but I remember more swirly lines, more horizontal lines -- but I just don't remember near enough to reproduce it. Grr.
I found my copy of Inversions. Here's the idea that Scott Kim had for Scott, in my lousy mousing. His is an ink drawing and looks a lot nicer -- but not all that much more readable. It's a tough word.

http://www.01101001.com/temporary/scott_t.gif

Musashi
2005-Feb-12, 04:53 AM
That is pretty neat.

The Bad Astronomer
2005-Feb-12, 06:07 AM
I love this sort of thing. I really am fascinated by brain games, especially with words (ah, the pun wars I used to have). I also love illusions, palindromes, anagrams, all that kind of stuff. These ambigrams are truly amazing.

Nice work, 01101001.

grewwalk
2005-Feb-12, 08:51 AM
Excellent ... Ingenious work!

I had to do one of my own and just finished. Now I find no way of showing it. :cry: (Just found out that images are links)

Well, self satifaction will have to do! :D

mickal555
2005-Feb-12, 10:59 AM
Have you got it saved to your computer?

If so follow these (http://www.phpbbforfree.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=349&mforum=astronomydownun#349) instructions to host it (no need to do the lowering resolution at the end)[/url]

A Thousand Pardons
2005-Feb-12, 12:23 PM
It's a tough word.
I liked this one:
http://mensware.home.mindspring.com/dan/ambsscot.gif

01101001
2005-Feb-12, 07:53 PM
I liked this one:
http://mensware.home.mindspring.com/dan/ambsscot.gif
Excellent. I think that bests the master Kim at his own name. That's definitely an improvement in my book -- though Scott Kim actually has a book and I don't!

The back-slant in the C and T's allows the S to look more like an S. And, the lack of horizontal flourish connectors make the letters stand out more. I think it more obviously says Scott.

Here's a few tweaks I would try: Make the O just slightly more of an oval, and give it a matching back-slant, to make it one of the crowd. Join the straight lines within the S and the C with very small-radius curves, to sell the S and C better -- but being careful not to lose the T-nature. Extend the bottom line of the S just a tad more left to take away a little more of the final T's S-ness. Lower the top of the C a bit to separate it from the top of the S. Oh, and I think I'd fatten up the strokes some for a little more masculinity.

I don't know if any of those would actually make an improvement, but such are the sorts of things I worry about at the final polishing stage. I think they would all need to be eyeballed to see if they help, and merrily rejected if they don't.

A Thousand Pardons
2005-Feb-12, 11:46 PM
Excellent. I think that bests the master Kim at his own name.

frisson


Here's a few tweaks I would try:

Cool. I did drop the top of the C, but then I moved it closer to the S:
http://mensware.home.mindspring.com/dan/ambssco2.gif

grewwalk
2005-Feb-13, 12:16 AM
Cool. I figured it out! Thanks!

Here's mine of grewwalk.

http://img225.exs.cx/img225/3817/grewwalk0kc.th.jpg

mickal555
2005-Feb-13, 02:48 AM
:o
WOW
Thats really good grewwalk

Tobin Dax
2005-Feb-13, 10:26 AM
http://mensware.home.mindspring.com/dan/ambssco2.gif

I like the first attempt (angled and thin lines) better, personally, maybe with an oval "O," though. But this ambigram is the best design I've seen, ATP. I just might have to steal it. :wink: 8)

[edit for clarity]

A Thousand Pardons
2005-Feb-13, 11:43 AM
I just might have to steal it.
you don't have to, I'm happy to give it to you, whatever changes you make :)

PS:
http://mensware.home.mindspring.com/dan/ambssco3.gif

Normandy6644
2005-Feb-13, 06:21 PM
Are you guys just doing this in MS Paint and eyeballing them?

A Thousand Pardons
2005-Feb-13, 07:02 PM
no, you do half, and then make a copy and rotate it 180 degrees

some programs do that for you though

PS: I take that back, the "Pardons" one wasn't... :)

01101001
2005-Feb-14, 08:32 PM
Here's one befitting this romatic holiday:

Love (http://www.01101001.com/images/love.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/love_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/love.gif)

This illustrates an unusual tack you can take if a rotationally symmetric ambigram isn't coming easily. You can split the phrase into two parts that do have rotational symmetry and then illustrate a chain of them.

In this case I couldn't get a good love, but I saw that I could do lov and e individually.

This sort of chain ambigram can be made to look like part of an infinite chain, or expressed around a ring.

I understand this, but still find it curious that love was hard, but that the doubly infinite string ...lovelovelove... was easy.

Here's another example:

Chain (http://www.01101001.com/images/chain.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/chain_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/chain.gif)

Lance
2005-Feb-14, 09:08 PM
In this case I couldn't get a good love, but I saw that I could do lov...e individually.

I have had similar things happen to me in the past.

mickal555
2005-Feb-14, 09:10 PM
In this case I couldn't get a good love, but I saw that I could do lov...e individually.

I have had similar things happen to me in the past.
oh

Candy
2005-Feb-15, 02:48 AM
In this case I couldn't get a good love, but I saw that I could do lov...e individually.

I have had similar things happen to me in the past.
:lol:

2005-Feb-15, 04:04 PM
In this case I couldn't get a good love, but I saw that I could do lov...e individually.

I have had similar things happen to me in the past.
:lol: :oops: 8:04am PST

01101001
2005-Feb-24, 03:53 AM
Have you ever seen an ambigram for dyslexic?
Or an ambigram of a palindrome? *pop*
I think Scott Kim's book, Inversions (http://www.scottkim.com/store/index.html), has an ambigram of either dyslexic or dyslexia. It had mirror symmetry, reading the same left to right as right to left.
I was thumbing through Inversions and saw his mirror-symmetric dyslexia, and remembered mentioning it here. This is my poorly moused version of Scott Kim's excellent artwork:

http://www.01101001.com/temporary/dyslexia_t.gif

And, this may not be what lyford was looking for, but it's my version of pop:

http://www.01101001.com/images/dadpop_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/dadpop.gif)

01101001
2005-Feb-25, 05:53 AM
After seeing that mirror-symmetric dyslexia, I had to try sketching a rotationally symmetric version:

http://www.01101001.com/temporary/dyslexia2_t.gif

And here's one for Peter "Seeing Is Believing" Jennings:

UFO (http://www.01101001.com/images/ufo.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/ufo_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/ufo.gif)

2005-Feb-25, 03:52 PM
After seeing that mirror-symmetric dyslexia, I had to try sketching a rotationally symmetric version:

http://www.01101001.com/temporary/dyslexia2_t.gif

And here's one for Peter "Seeing Is Believing" Jennings:

UFO (http://www.01101001.com/images/ufo.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/ufo_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/ufo.gif)




I I I I I

mickal555
2005-Feb-27, 03:39 AM
Hmmm I think you want,

I I I I I I I I I
:D :wink:

2005-Feb-28, 03:43 PM
:evil: You do have a Good point :oops:
anyway i reREGisterd as pdx0078 2/ remove HUb' ? and must go now

A Thousand Pardons
2005-Feb-28, 03:49 PM
Or maybe better:
http://mensware.home.mindspring.com/dan/ambihub.gif


anyway i reREGisterd as pdx0078 / remove HUb' ? and must go now
do you mean pdx00782 (http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1257)?

01101001
2005-Feb-28, 05:16 PM
Aye-aye!
http://www.01101001.com/temporary/aye_t.gif
Oy!

Candy
2005-Mar-01, 02:16 AM
Or maybe better:
http://mensware.home.mindspring.com/dan/ambihub.gif


anyway i reREGisterd as pdx0078 / remove HUb' ? and must go now
do you mean pdx00782 (http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1257)?
I'll miss HUb'. :(

Nicolas
2005-Mar-01, 09:24 AM
Hubbish had a ring to it, pdx00782ish sounds like he typed it himself :lol:
Why did you register under a different name Hub'? " Hub' " is part of this boards cultural heritage, we'll miss it..

mickal555
2005-Mar-01, 09:30 AM
Please don't go! :(

A Thousand Pardons
2005-Mar-01, 02:19 PM
Why did you register under a different name Hub'?
Happened over two years ago (http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1257)

2005-Mar-01, 03:40 PM
Or maybe better:
http://mensware.home.mindspring.com/dan/ambihub.gif


anyway i reREGisterd as pdx0078 / remove HUb' ? and must go now
do you mean pdx00782 (http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1257)?
yeah

mickal555
2005-Mar-01, 09:29 PM
Oh so you will stay as HUb' ? then

2005-Mar-03, 03:33 PM
Oh so you will stay as HUb' ? then
i've no idea:
my short term memory chemistry is always on empty
and i can seldom even recall the last key i pressed down
---------------
I do recall loging in
and had some problem
as i recall
==========
although i cant remeber what
or even if?
the chaos here CH249 now is increasing beyound tolerance

Nicolas
2005-Mar-03, 03:38 PM
At first, I thought Hub' was a kid with too many MSN hours on his CV.
Then, I started to assume he was just a code-based word generator.
Now, I believe Hub' IS the personalisation of chaos theory :lol:

But I like the truth about who Hub' is as well. :)

Everything allright, Hub'? Are you still having problems? Can we help?

01101001
2005-Mar-06, 01:23 AM
I couldn't get the capitalization right.

HUb' (http://www.01101001.com/images/hub.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/hub_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/hub.gif)

mickal555
2005-Mar-06, 07:48 AM
I can't see it "cannot find server" :(

2005-Mar-07, 03:27 PM
At first, I thought Hub' was a kid with too many MSN hours on his CV.
Then, I started to assume he was just a code-based word generator.
Now, I believe Hub' IS the personalisation of chaos theory :lol:

But I like the truth about who Hub' is as well. :)

Everything allright, Hub'? Are you still having problems? Can we help?
still BLUE?
according to the TOP LINK on the welcome page "TIZ"
roomer has it SHE is considering REmarriage
send flowers {I Guess} Maybe Rice?
i don't know Rice may be passA?
check your Martha News
She probably knows
I do not

2005-Mar-07, 03:41 PM
I can't see it "cannot find server" :(
I got logged on {hip hip do a flip}

http://www.phpbbforfree.com/astronomydownun-post-405.html#405

01101001
2005-Mar-07, 10:18 PM
At first, I thought Hub' was a kid with too many MSN hours on his CV.
Then, I started to assume he was just a code-based word generator.
Now, I believe Hub' IS the personalisation of chaos theory
HUb' is a...

Human Being (http://www.01101001.com/images/humanbeing.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/humanbeing_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/humanbeing.gif)

mickal555
2005-Mar-08, 01:06 PM
I can't see it "cannot find server" :(
I got logged on {hip hip do a flip}

http://www.phpbbforfree.com/astronomydownun-post-405.html#405

Yeah I saw :D
YEY!!! :D :D
Glad to see you on :D

2005-Mar-10, 04:46 PM
Currently you are trying

to access a forum that does not exist or has been deleted.



Please use the navigation links on this page

to get to where you want to go on this site.



8:44 it appears to me that the DRed Ruski from across the HALL NH69
::" WAS "::able to upDATE my site to TODAY
allthough i do not know this for sure {see 11:22 post from NASCC}(in Dark RED)?

mickal555
2005-Mar-11, 01:30 AM
Currently you are trying

to access a forum that does not exist or has been deleted.



Please use the navigation links on this page

to get to where you want to go on this site.



8:44 it appears to me that the DRed Ruski from across the HALL NH69
::" WAS "::able to upDATE my site to TODAY
allthough i do not know this for sure {see 11:22 post from NASCC}(in Dark RED)?

Yeah the people at phpbb for free decided to change the urls. They then relised that that was a bad idea... so they changed it back.

01101001
2005-Apr-09, 06:12 AM
Just a note that my ambigram page is open for business -- not that I'm conducting any business there. I've been meaning to do it for several years, but thanks to your interest, I finally got around to it. Thanks for the motivation.

After all these teasers, see the entire collection:

01101001 Ambigrams (http://www.01101001.com/ambigrams/)

mickal555
2005-Apr-09, 07:29 AM
Cool 8)


I love my name It looks so much like it was just writen:D

What are you going to do with all of those?

Is it posiible to do
The bad astronomer? or just BA?



Great work =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

Sock puppet
2005-Apr-09, 03:40 PM
I love the "Feynman". Showed it to all my friends. Problem is, most of them have little interest in physics, so I had to explain what feynman diagrams were. And who he was. I don't really care- the ones that got it all thought it was great.

01101001, my brother (Dave) saw his name and loved it. May I use that design to stencil it on his bike? If so, do I have to include a rotationally symmetric ?

01101001
2005-Apr-09, 07:14 PM
I love the "Feynman".
I think I wrote that the Feynman includes a real sine wave in its interior, generated from a math program, an homage to the Feynman-diagram photon symbol (and is hence it is more unreadable than I prefer to do).


01101001, my brother (Dave) saw his name and loved it. May I use that design to stencil it on his bike? If so, do I have to include a rotationally symmetric ?
A tiny little 01101001 (or two!) would be appreciated, just in case someone from mega-corporation Dave, Inc. sees it on your bro's nike and wants to use it as their logo. A stencil? That might make it hard. If you can just sneak a in there, it's OK.


The bad astronomer? or just BA?
I tried a The Bad Astronomer and while you'd probably read it that way it was just too awfully ugly for publication. Maybe it will come eventually. BA is just too easy. I can just steal the letters from my two versions of Baby -- perhaps improved a bit because it wouldn't also have to have Y-nature when flipped another way.

http://www.01101001.com/images/baby_t.gif

I just tried a The BA and it's got potential. Here's a sketch:

http://www.01101001.com/temporary/theba_t.gif

I put it in my to-do pile. Maybe some day...

The Bad Astronomer
2005-May-01, 03:25 AM
Not to bump an old thread, but while looking around for other science blogs, I found an extraordinarily well-written one called "Science Musings". He once wrote about ambigrams (http://www.sciencemusings.com/blog/2005/04/scott-kim-homage.html).

Maksutov
2005-May-01, 10:19 AM
Not to bump an old thread, but while looking around for other science blogs, I found an extraordinarily well-written one called "Science Musings". He once wrote about ambigrams (http://www.sciencemusings.com/blog/2005/04/scott-kim-homage.html).
The "Lewis Carroll" one is extraordinary! Wonder how he'd do with "Charles Lutwidge Dodgson"? :)

01101001
2005-May-03, 08:16 AM
An astronomy-related ambigram, in case you've ever wondered what stars look like upside down:

Stars (http://www.01101001.com/images/stars.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/stars_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/stars.gif)

Candy
2005-May-03, 11:39 AM
An astronomy-related ambigram, in case you've ever wondered what stars look like upside down:

Stars (http://www.01101001.com/images/stars.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/stars_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/stars.gif)
I do believe this is my favorite one, thus far. :D

01101001
2005-May-03, 07:49 PM
I do believe this is my favorite one, thus far. :D
Thanks. It's barely similar to the sketch I started out with. That had much better penmanship. Along the way, I started using a certain curve -- a quarter of an elilipse -- and found that by keeping the segments from touching I could use the same curve throughout, even if it made the letters more goofy. Only the bowl of the R needed slightly more of that ellipse to get a bit more roundness.

I think it's interesting how a brain can extract some meaning from such a bunch of unconnected curves.

Just for fun, the S is meant to (barely) suggest a barred galaxy (http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap050112.html).

01101001
2005-May-29, 07:23 PM
Ever notice how with a black hole it can be hard to tell which way is up?

http://www.01101001.com/images/blackhole_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/blackhole.gif)

(My collection: http://www.01101001.com/ambigrams)

01101001
2005-Jul-06, 08:50 AM
While sitting around waiting for Deep Impact to do something, I doodled:

Deep Impact (http://www.01101001.com/images/deepimpact.gif)
http://www.01101001.com/images/deepimpact_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/deepimpact.gif)

Stardate
2005-Jul-13, 08:50 PM
Neat thread! =D>

Iris
2005-Jul-14, 12:25 AM
These are real works of art... I am really amazed. :P You're a genius!

01101001
2005-Jul-14, 10:57 PM
These are real works of art... I am really amazed. :P You're a genius!
Thanks. Really, it's just a quirky habbit.

Ma'am, recently I discovered some mirror-symmetry lurking in the word Sir (http://www.01101001.com/images/sir-maam.gif). So, I knew there must be some in Iris, too. I don't suppose you ever noticed how an infinite sequence of Irises, in a mirror, looks like an infinite sequence of Irises:

http://www.01101001.com/images/iris_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/iris.gif)

Iris
2005-Jul-17, 03:26 AM
Well that one is probably the prettiest of 'em all. :P </lackofmodesty>

You're really good, I wouldn't have thought about it myself! And no matter how much you say it's just a quirky habit, you have to DO it. It's not everyone that can see symmetry in everything like you do!

But do you often do long words? Like let's say... Michelle? :P

01101001
2005-Jul-17, 07:18 AM
But do you often do long words? Like let's say... Michelle? :P
Longer words get harder, and I've done some but they tend to look less refined, less readable, but thanks for asking about one I already did, Michelle (http://www.01101001.com/images/michelle.gif):

http://www.01101001.com/images/michelle_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/michelle.gif)

And not long ago, I did the slightly longer Italian version, Michelina (http://www.01101001.com/images/michelina.gif):

http://www.01101001.com/images/michelina_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/michelina.gif)

(To save you the trouble of asking about others, my entire collection is here (http://www.01101001.com/ambigrams). And, there are a few other collections out on the Web, probably best found through the Wikipedia: Ambigram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambigram).)

Iris
2005-Jul-17, 09:40 PM
Oh! I have been to your website, but I somehow missed that one. :P How rude of me. Nice one too!

Thank you for the other site too!

Champion_Munch
2005-Jul-31, 05:10 AM
Hey, here's a really quick one I did of myself in paint 2 minutes ago:

http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/9994/munchambi5lh.jpg

with regards

01101001
2005-Aug-15, 04:48 PM
So, for the Jupiter Image (http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=23655) topic, I did this ambigram of Jupiter:

http://www.01101001.com/images/jupiter_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/jupiter.gif)

I could hardly let the other planets feel left out, so I began doodling and came up with an interesting Earth, that required the chaining technique, but serendipitously includes a play on heart:

http://www.01101001.com/images/earth_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/earth.gif)

Encouraged, I went on to do sketches of much of the menagerie:

http://www.01101001.com/temporary/mercury_t.gif

http://www.01101001.com/temporary/venus_t.gif

http://www.01101001.com/temporary/mars_t.gif

http://www.01101001.com/temporary/saturn_t.gif

http://www.01101001.com/temporary/uranus_t.gif

http://www.01101001.com/temporary/neptune_t.gif

Well, now I know where I come down on the question of Pluto. I couldn't do a Pluto. Pluto must not be a planet.

01101001
2005-Aug-18, 04:25 AM
OK, here's a fun astronomical ambigram, Equinox (http://www.01101001.com/images/equinox.gif):

http://www.01101001.com/images/equinox_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/equinox.gif)

The half-blackness of the design wasn't required for symmetry -- in fact, it breaks symmetry on one level -- but I whimsically wanted exactly half the pixels to be black and half to be white.

Recently, I (barely) managed another scientist, Darwin (http://www.01101001.com/images/darwin.gif):

http://www.01101001.com/images/darwin_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/darwin.gif)

And running out of doable scientists, I tried some artists of a scientific bent, DaVinci (http://www.01101001.com/images/davinci.gif) and Jules Verne (http://www.01101001.com/images/julesverne.gif):

http://www.01101001.com/images/davinci_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/davinci.gif)

http://www.01101001.com/images/julesverne_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/julesverne.gif)

hhEb09'1
2005-Aug-18, 04:32 PM
I couldn't do a Pluto. Pluto must not be a planet.
And now it is! :)

http://mensware.home.mindspring.com/dan/pluto3.gif (http://mensware.home.mindspring.com/dan/pluto2.gif)

Champion_Munch
2005-Aug-19, 10:54 AM
[quote="01101001"]OK, here's a fun astronomical ambigram, Equinox (http://www.01101001.com/images/equinox.gif):

Wow I love it. =D> :)

with regards

01101001
2005-Sep-04, 10:57 AM
Well, there I was, with the BAUT conversion going on, no BABB to waste my free time on, so I did a little ambigram for my new Universe friends.

Universe (http://www.01101001.com/images/universe.gif):

http://www.01101001.com/images/universe_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/universe.gif)

What is it? Why? Huh? Review this entire thread.

I also doodled a Cain, but it's not ready for prime time. Heh.

01101001
2005-Sep-07, 07:19 PM
Fraser's surname, in a superposition of the up and down states:

Cain (http://www.01101001.com/images/cain.gif):

http://www.01101001.com/images/cain_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/cain.gif)

01101001
2006-Feb-18, 03:55 PM
Big Bang (http://www.01101001.com/images/bigbang.gif):

http://www.01101001.com/images/bigbang_t.gif (http://www.01101001.com/images/bigbang.gif)

Edit: Keywords: big, bang, bigbang, upside down, up side down, rightside up, right side up, reads, says, same, flip, rotate, reverse, invert, sideways, ambigram, ambigrams, thewit, chicago, wit, hotel, state, lake

mickal555
2006-Feb-19, 10:27 AM
I love these :D