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Raptor1967
2005-Jan-29, 04:39 PM
I don't know how many of you get heated by people speeding in playground zones but it makes me MENTAL. I mean really what is the big deal slowing down can save a small life yet so many don't. Anyway To the point. There is this guy in my neighbourhood who drives a silver minivan and everyday when I am taking my kids to school he goes racing by doing about 70 Kph in a 30 zone. Now I can understand not seeing the playground zone sign but what about the big school, school busses and kids running around. Anyway I called the cops to complain and sure enough the next day there was an officer outside the school. In one hour he pulled over 42 people. but here is the great part. I could hear his van from two blocks away. I looked over at the officer and the look on his face was incredulous. He was clocked doing 80 Kph with school busses on either side of the road and a lit up crosswalk. The cop nearly got run over trying to stop the guy.

Much to my joy the gentleman in question lost his license as well he is facing a dangerous driving and undue attention charge. I cant wait for court I will be following it all the way.

Is it bad of me to take pleasure in this mans misfortune or do others feel the same way I do

Speeding in playground zones is for LOSERS

Hit a kid at 50Kph he is more then likely dead
Hit a kid at 30 Kph and they have an 90% chance of surviving

Kristophe
2005-Jan-29, 05:05 PM
30, 50, whatever the number it's a lot less than 80. Back home, playgrounds and school zones have a speed limit of 50. Usually, the roads are so narrow, and the distance between stop signs is so short, you're a fool if you do over 20.

Doing 80 in a sub-urban or urban density zone is stupid, reckless, and very dangerous, not only for pedestrians, but also the reckless driver and everyone else on the road. Those are highway speeds, and they belong on the highway. The guy's earned what he has coming.

01101001
2005-Jan-29, 06:47 PM
Is it bad of me to take pleasure in this mans misfortune or do others feel the same way I do
Schadenfreude. I think it's bad, a little, but very human. Try, instead, to take pleasure in knowing that maybe he is learning a lesson that will prevent a tragedy for some kid and family, and even for the ex-speeder himself.

The Supreme Canuck
2005-Jan-29, 07:37 PM
Bah. Don't feel bad. He deserved it.

Swift
2005-Jan-30, 04:19 AM
Bah. Don't feel bad. He deserved it.
I second the motion. You did good Raptor, maybe saved a kid's life.

ktesibios
2005-Jan-30, 06:23 AM
Bah. Don't feel bad. He deserved it.
I second the motion. You did good Raptor, maybe saved a kid's life.

Couldn't agree more. =D>

Normandy6644
2005-Jan-30, 06:29 AM
When I first read 70 in a 30 I thought it was in Mph!!! I couldn't believe it!! Lousy units, always causing trouble. :D

A Thousand Pardons
2005-Jan-30, 01:30 PM
When I first read 70 in a 30 I thought it was in Mph!!! I couldn't believe it!! Lousy units, always causing trouble. :D
I think you mean "when I first read 70 Kph in a 30 I thought it was in Mph!!!" :)

Raptor1967
2005-Jan-30, 04:11 PM
Well I have to say I don't feel at all bad for this guy. I was feeling a little guilty that i may have screwed up someones life but better his then a little 5 year old. I am writing up a proposal to have photoradar posts installed in the playground zones. If they can do it for red lights then they can do it for schools. I was thinking the schools could maintain them and reap the profits from it. I know we all hate photo radar but really what better a place to have them then in areas like this. At least people would eventually get the idea and slow down.

JMHO

W.F. Tomba
2005-Jan-30, 06:35 PM
I am writing up a proposal to have photoradar posts installed in the playground zones. If they can do it for red lights then they can do it for schools. I was thinking the schools could maintain them and reap the profits from it. I know we all hate photo radar but really what better a place to have them then in areas like this. At least people would eventually get the idea and slow down.
A simpler idea would be to build small "islands" in between the lanes, so that the lanes have to curve around them---like a tiny, short median strip. This entails widening the road slightly, but it makes it physically impossible to drive as fast as that guy was going. There's a residential street near my parents' house that goes straight down a long, gentle hill with pretty wide visibility, so it attracts speeders. They built one of those islands halfway down the hill, and at the bottom they also sometimes leave one of those automatic radar machines that tell you your speed.

The Supreme Canuck
2005-Jan-31, 12:18 AM
*Cough* Huge speedbump *Cough*

ktesibios
2005-Jan-31, 12:39 AM
Speedbumps work. The city of Burbank, which has a lot of little residential streets which happen to intersect busy main arteries, has gone in for them in a rather big way. They set the speed limit on these blocks at 15 mph and put a series of big speed bumps spaced every thirty or forty yards apart to help drivers remember the speed limit. I suspect that this might be less expensive than the zig-zag islands.

Of course, conscientious enforcement of traffic laws is a great educational tool. Drivers around here are generally respectful of pedestrians- I can step out into a pedestrian crossing in the middle of the block on Burbank Boulevard and stop the traffic like Moses parting the Red Sea- because the cops will ticket you for failing to yield. They've even been known to set up experiments in which a cop in civilian clothes repeatedly crosses the street at an unmarked crosswalk while several motorcycle cops wait just out of sight... :wink:

The Supreme Canuck
2005-Jan-31, 12:53 AM
Couldn't that be considered entrapment?

Edit:

Now that I think of it, no it wouldn't. It needs to be persistent goading of an individual. So scratch that.

frogesque
2005-Jan-31, 02:13 AM
You did good Raptor1967 and your campaign, be it speed radar or speed bumps (we call 'em 'sleeping policemen' here) is a great follow up. Whatever it takes to get these fools to slow down or off the roads is OK in my book =D> =D> =D>

Paul Beardsley
2005-Jan-31, 01:13 PM
Just to add to the others, I think you did a good thing, Raptor1967.

Imagine if a child had been killed - everyone would be going, "Why didn't someone do something?"

The driver knew the law. He just chose to indulge his desire for speed, and to ignore all other considerations. He deserved what he got.

Nicolas
2005-Jan-31, 01:43 PM
Overhere some streets have got so many speed bumps, if they add some more the road is flat again :lol: And those "islands" are really nice when you're moving out and a big lorry needs to go down the road, really nice.
I think control by police (manned/unmanned) is the best way to go. And good control, meaning not placing a radar 2 meters behind the speed change sign, but at a normal place. And a different punishment system. I don't know how exactly. Severe punishments if you regularly go too fast, or if you go much too fast. A reasonable but stringent punishment system.

ToSeek
2005-Jan-31, 02:49 PM
Speedbumps work. The city of Burbank, which has a lot of little residential streets which happen to intersect busy main arteries, has gone in for them in a rather big way. They set the speed limit on these blocks at 15 mph and put a series of big speed bumps spaced every thirty or forty yards apart to help drivers remember the speed limit. I suspect that this might be less expensive than the zig-zag islands.

Speedbumps work, but they're really annoying! I curse those responsible (the speeders, not the town) whenever I'm in a neighborhood that has them.

gethen
2005-Jan-31, 02:55 PM
Good for you Raptor 1967. I live in an area with lots of small children living in homes on 1-3 acre wooded lots. Inevitably, spring weather will bring the teenagers racing through here at 45 mph, oblivious to the little ones playing and riding their bikes. I have and will call the teenagers' parents or the police if I really think kids' lives are being endangered by idiot speeding drivers. I consider it my duty as a citizen. (Where's the smiley with halo?)

Raptor1967
2005-Jan-31, 04:12 PM
I had thought of speedbumps but the speedlimit is only in effect untill after sundown (one hour after to be exact). I wouldnt want to impeded traffic at night so speedbumps wouldnt be an option in this case. I think one of the biggest problems is they make the playground zone signs to small and plain. They need to stand out so drivers will notice them (people around here don't read road signs for some reason unless they are right in thier face). I thought a sign showing how fast you are going would help and we tried that last year. Turns out people were using it to see how fast they could go not how slow :(. I really beleive a ticket is the only thing that will make these irresponsible drivers pay attention. and if the schools reaped the profits it will benifit the kids.

I know it is pretty stupid but i have purposly stepped out in front of speeding cars to scare them but i dont think this is a very smart way to raise peoples awareness. and i sure dont want my kids seeing me do that :)

darkhunter
2005-Jan-31, 09:22 PM
It's amazing how big a tailback you can make by driving the speed limit--and how hostile the people behing you who want to speed can get...

At the end of the day, speeders are nothing more than criminals, and should be treated as such--especially in school zones and residential areas!

Kristophe
2005-Jan-31, 09:45 PM
Speedbumps work. The city of Burbank, which has a lot of little residential streets which happen to intersect busy main arteries, has gone in for them in a rather big way. They set the speed limit on these blocks at 15 mph and put a series of big speed bumps spaced every thirty or forty yards apart to help drivers remember the speed limit. I suspect that this might be less expensive than the zig-zag islands.

Speedbumps work, but they're really annoying! I curse those responsible (the speeders, not the town) whenever I'm in a neighborhood that has them.

They're great fun for biking, though. Whee!

Sheki
2005-Feb-01, 12:40 PM
Is it bad of me to take pleasure in this mans misfortune or do others feel the same way I do

I think it is the normal human response to be happy to see someone come to justice - whether by being rewarded or punished, as the case may be.

Whether or not that is "right" or "wrong" is not a meaningful question for me. It presupposes the existence of moral absolutes.

Sheki

Metricyard
2005-Feb-01, 05:11 PM
*Cough* Huge speedbump *Cough*

I agree. One of my friends lost their mother resently to some jerk speeding while she was on a crosswalk. Eventually they caught him, no idea what happened to him though.

I'd like to see someone invent something a little more destructive then speedbumps. If the little yellow lights are flashing and your speeding, throw up some tire spikes. After losing a set of tires, I bet people would slow down.
Or is that being a little too agressive? 8-[

Raptor1967
2005-Feb-01, 06:03 PM
Well it looks like it is going to be a long process just to get something into city coucil. I have to start a petition --never done that before-- . Wish me luck my adventure into city politics has begun.




If the little yellow lights are flashing and your speeding, throw up some tire spikes. After losing a set of tires, I bet people would slow down.

The problem with this kind of aggressivness is the after effects of blowing out the tires. Loss of control when speeding is never a good thing the risk of collateral dammage is to high.

darkhunter
2005-Feb-01, 06:19 PM
Well it looks like it is going to be a long process just to get something into city coucil. I have to start a petition --never done that before-- . Wish me luck my adventure into city politics has begun.

Good Luck!



If the little yellow lights are flashing and your speeding, throw up some tire spikes. After losing a set of tires, I bet people would slow down.

The problem with this kind of aggressivness is the after effects of blowing out the tires. Loss of control when speeding is never a good thing the risk of collateral dammage is to high.


Speed activated barriers--the kind that pop up. One of them will stop a car in its tracks (they make some capable of stopping tractor trailers) without the risk of the car going out of control. Of course, the car could be wrecked, but then that's self inflicted...

Speeders are a pet peeve of mine--especially when they start to tailgate and get irate about you following the speed limit.....

teddyv
2005-Feb-01, 06:26 PM
Speeders are a pet peeve of mine--especially when they start to tailgate and get irate about you following the speed limit.....

I know what you mean, :wink: but I take great exception to those people driving that figure they can drive in the fast lane on the highway at the posted limit, and figure thay don't have to move over because they are doing the speed limit. Another favourite of mine is the two-lane highways with the occassional passing lane where slow drivers suddenly accelerate so no one can pass them.

I realize the OP is about school/playground zones and speeds must be curtailed and enforced in these situations.

Swift
2005-Feb-01, 08:27 PM
You did good Raptor1967 and your campaign, be it speed radar or speed bumps (we call 'em 'sleeping policemen' here) is a great follow up. Whatever it takes to get these fools to slow down or off the roads is OK in my book =D> =D> =D>
my bold
:lol: 'Sleeping policemen' - now that's funny!

Raptor1967
2005-Feb-01, 09:04 PM
Yea i thought so to :)

tjm220
2005-Feb-01, 09:45 PM
Speeders are a pet peeve of mine--especially when they start to tailgate and get irate about you following the speed limit.....

I know what you mean, :wink: but I take great exception to those people driving that figure they can drive in the fast lane on the highway at the posted limit, and figure thay don't have to move over because they are doing the speed limit. Another favourite of mine is the two-lane highways with the occassional passing lane where slow drivers suddenly accelerate so no one can pass them.

I realize the OP is about school/playground zones and speeds must be curtailed and enforced in these situations.

How fast are you supposed to go in the "fast" lane? I get really ticked by the slowpokes who suddenly speed up when getting passed.

darkhunter
2005-Feb-01, 09:51 PM
Speeders are a pet peeve of mine--especially when they start to tailgate and get irate about you following the speed limit.....

I know what you mean, :wink: but I take great exception to those people driving that figure they can drive in the fast lane on the highway at the posted limit, and figure thay don't have to move over because they are doing the speed limit. Another favourite of mine is the two-lane highways with the occassional passing lane where slow drivers suddenly accelerate so no one can pass them.

I realize the OP is about school/playground zones and speeds must be curtailed and enforced in these situations.

The only time I'm in the passing lane is when I am passing someone or letting someone merge into the road... :D

The Supreme Canuck
2005-Feb-02, 02:13 AM
Me too. I never speed. Ever. Boy, people really don't like it, though.

Sheki
2005-Feb-02, 12:14 PM
I'll admit that speeding is one of my guilty pleasures. It's not that I am in a big hurry or anything, I just like driving fast. However, for me it is a crime of opportunity - I am quite content to drive whatever speed the rest of the traffic is doing. But if there is no traffic, well boy howdy do I like to open up on those open straight-aways! At least on the highway. City streets make me far too nervous to speed.

I only get peeved when people are either driving significantly under the limit or at erratic speeds. Anyone that forces me to disengage my cruise control on the highway is my mortal enemy.

Sheki

Captain Kidd
2005-Feb-02, 12:41 PM
Around here they’ve started installing speed humps, rubber plates connected into a large square pattern. They've got more beef to them that the standard speed bump made of asphault. The humps are installed one per lane so that if you straddle them, you don’t get the full rise and aren’t jarred as much.

My pet peeve on speed bumps/humps is the idiots that don’t know how to cross them. They’ll zoom up to one then slow to 1-2 mph and inch across. Of course at that speed you’re jarred all over the place. There’s actually a design to most of them that if you hit them at the proper speed (hmm maybe the posted speed limit? Nahhhh), your shocks take out most of the jarring, but most people don’t seem to realize that so they’ll slam their brakes on which half the time forces me to drop below the design speed myself.

Hmm, is it bad that I got a send of satisfaction just reading about that guy getting caught? :)

Good luck on that petition, we’re just now testing a couple cameras to catch red light runners and the invasion of privacy people are throwing the biggest hissy fit.

Sheki
2005-Feb-02, 02:40 PM
One of the more annoying (read effective?) "anti-speed" devices being used around here lately is the "rumble strip". It is a series of small trenches cut into the pavement across an entire lane, set up in groups like this:

llll llll lllll lllll lllll

When you hit them your whole car shakes violently and you hear this awful brrrummmpphhh brrrruummmmmpphhh brrrrummmmpphhh sound. They are typically used in spots where drivers habitually forget to slow down (eg. where the limit changes from 100kph down to 50kph on a blind turn just before a hidden intersection. Or in advance of hairpin turns that look to be banked more than they really are). I hate them because it does not seem to matter what speed you hit them at. Especially in a small car, it seems that hitting them at the posted limit is about the worst thing you can do. When you hit them at unawares (even if you are going the limit) it is very startling - the same sort of feeling I get when the alarm clock first starts ringing in the morning (ie. like my heart is going to jump right out of my chest).

Sheki

teddyv
2005-Feb-02, 03:43 PM
Good luck on that petition, we’re just now testing a couple cameras to catch red light runners and the invasion of privacy people are throwing the biggest hissy fit.

I am all for red light cameras and we have them in several places out here. Fortunately they got rid of photo radar.

papageno
2005-Feb-02, 04:03 PM
One of the more annoying (read effective?) "anti-speed" devices being used around here lately is the "rumble strip". It is a series of small trenches cut into the pavement across an entire lane, set up in groups like this:

llll llll lllll lllll lllll

When you hit them your whole car shakes violently and you hear this awful brrrummmpphhh brrrruummmmmpphhh brrrrummmmpphhh sound. They are typically used in spots where drivers habitually forget to slow down (eg. where the limit changes from 100kph down to 50kph on a blind turn just before a hidden intersection. Or in advance of hairpin turns that look to be banked more than they really are). I hate them because it does not seem to matter what speed you hit them at. Especially in a small car, it seems that hitting them at the posted limit is about the worst thing you can do. When you hit them at unawares (even if you are going the limit) it is very startling - the same sort of feeling I get when the alarm clock first starts ringing in the morning (ie. like my heart is going to jump right out of my chest).


I thought that these "rumble strips" are used to "wake up" drivers that are drifting out of the road.
I have seen similar strips used on roads in places where there is often fog.

Sheki
2005-Feb-02, 04:11 PM
I thought that these "rumble strips" are used to "wake up" drivers that are drifting out of the road.
I have seen similar strips used on roads in places where there is often fog.

Yup, same thing basically, only extend the width of the strip out to stretch across the whole lane.

We have the little "wake-up, you are going off the road stupid" strips along most of the Trans-Canada highway in this province.

Nethius
2005-Feb-02, 04:16 PM
How fast are you supposed to go in the "fast" lane? I get really ticked by the slowpokes who suddenly speed up when getting passed.

Faster then the people in the slow lane!

Speed bumps work... Those twisty island things don't... They actually make me want to go faster, feels like cruising down some windy road.

Post cops where there is a problem, I don't agree with automatic tickets. machines can make mistakes, and if that camera says you are going however fast, then you have no say in it... also if you stuck one at a school zone, and you went the normal speed limit (50km) and it's 4:59, you get a ticket, but if it was 5:01 then you're okay?

But Raptor you did the right thing, someone could have been hurt.

If i may add a pet peave of mine... If the power goes out, and the traffic lights are not working, it means 4 WAY STOP!!! I see too many people that just cruise through as if they had a green light. No light means stop sign!!!

Zamzara
2005-Feb-02, 11:19 PM
Be careful what you wish for. I'm very against irresponsible driving, including driving fast in areas with pedestrians, but once the authorities start a speeding blitz, they start going after numbers rather than dangerous drivers.

In the UK there is a government campaign against speeding which pretty much resembles a religious dogma. Speed limits on dual carriageways (freeways) have been slashed to 40 or even 30mph in a lot of places with cameras set to prosecute at 4 or 5 mph above the limit. Drivers are driving around with their eyes glued to the speedometer in terror of being banned.

Deaths (corrected for total miles driven) have just gone up for the third year in a row; before the anti-speeding blitz they had gone down every year since 1970.