View Full Version : atomic elements display: - Advice / ideas needed.

clever dicky
2005-Feb-07, 10:47 AM
Hi all, new to this forum. :D and pleased to be here.

I've been trawling round the web to find 'ideas' of how to go about creating a big mibile display but unsuccessful so far.
The display I want to try and achieve will somehow be a cross between the elements display (cgi graphics) from sg1's torment of tantalus episode and the balls (the source) displayed in the London stock exchange.
My display will of course be real balls etc but I would like to very much produce something as close as possible to the elements in sg1. Does anything like this already exist anywhere? I'd be surprised if it didnt.

The reason is, I work in a large science building 'technology institute' that has a triangular and very boring foyer. I've had a word with a couple of the bosses and they like the idea...its just doing it.

Any suggestions / ideas ? Any and all considered

The foyer is about 40 feet + from floor to ceiling and a workable dia for use in a display of around 8 - 12 feet.

I don't have a budget, well I was told jokingly 50 quid, but I know a good glass company that can work miracles, and am considering using merged glass balls (for the multi proton ones) possible with a uv reactive paint on the inside to give illumination / colour from uv lamps / sunlight but undecided if / how to have them going up down the wires. If they are small enough about the size of a small football, I might get about 10 to a wire.

Many thanks

2005-Feb-08, 04:35 PM
Sounds like a heck of a project Clever. . . Hope my response to your post didn't get your hopes up though, as I have no ideas to pass along. Just wanted to say "welcome!!!", and hope you enjoy your stay! =D>

editted to add: I'm betting you'd get a larger response had you posted this in Babbling rather than here though. . . :wink:

clever dicky
2005-Feb-09, 12:17 PM
No problem m8, just appreciate you not thinking I was some sort of twat.
and thanks for the tip. I'll do that.

mike alexander
2005-Feb-09, 06:12 PM
Since I know nothing about either sg-1 or the Exchange, I can only guess...

But for at least a starting idea, how about spheres strung to roughly look like the periodic table. Sized by atomic radii. Colored to approximate the elements. Fluorescent paint/dye for unstable elements.

Just to get things started.

And welcome to the board!

A Thousand Pardons
2005-Feb-09, 06:27 PM
If you could work in this guy's mnemonic (http://www.johnpratt.com/atomic/atomic.html), that'd be cool.

2005-Feb-09, 06:51 PM
Can you find a screen capture of the SG1 Elements Display? I'm a big fan of the show and have seen them all several times, however I cannot place the display you are referrring to.

Van Rijn
2005-Feb-09, 08:22 PM
I don't have a screen capture, but I think this is referring to the season 1 episode "Torment of Tantalus":


It was supposedly a floating holographic display. It did look pretty nice.

clever dicky
2005-Feb-10, 07:46 AM
Thats it. Just the sort of thing i imagined. In addition to having something that looks really cool and awe inspiring, we have resident a lot of 'distinguished' profs and a lot of visiting ones so they're likely to pick holes and critisize, esp if its not up to the job.

Someone mentioned colours.....

I'm having a go at attaching a pic of the said show. Not tried this before.

Nope cant do it. How do you paste / attach an image?

2005-Feb-10, 09:32 PM
The above link to a stargate site didn't show any images, but I found a good one of "The source": http://www.elastico.net/archives/cat_realidad_aumentada.html

It's not at a London Stock Exchange related site at all - none of those show a good picture - but a strange Spanish site for ?electronic art?

When you say 'mobile' do you mean a Calder style mobile? Like this? http://www.mathcats.com/explore/virtual/mobile.html

An interesting concept, as the top 'ball' - element - must hydrogen, which must likewise be the lightest, when it has to balance all the other elements below. It'll need a very short arm on that side!

Or how about:
A video projector against either the wall or vertically on a sheet across the ceiling of the lobby. That will be the major capital cost of the project, because then only your imagination and programming ability is the limit. Nested HTML pages in MSIExplorer could display the whole Table of the Elements, that a user, or a random series, could 'zoom' into at each element by linking to another page about it. Images to suit each - H-Sun, Fe-steel smelting? Information, hyperlinks to 'net pages? Sounds? Much more liberated than a physical display.

I'll stop. Only you can do it.

clever dicky
2005-Feb-11, 07:58 AM
No mate carry on. I've thought the same. If I could get an image to 'appear' in the air 360' I would try it, but alas.
Worth noting though that it will need to extend almost three floors. Also given the design of the stairs, building etc. people will be walking around all sides and angles, above and below. I like the calder thing but I imagine its going to need an rsj to bolt to the ceiling to take the weight of all these balls and wires anyway. If I can use all the elements, then we're talking a lot of balls. And to try and balance them......

If it helps there is a space that approximates a cylinder. About 10' dia, 30' high.
I'm still in two minds whether to try and get the 'electrons' to circle the nucleus. But so many. Id just love to know how they make the balls move in the scource. Nice pics by the way. Here's a link to the stock market site which has a good video. https://outlook2003.surrey.ac.uk/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.londonstockexchange.com/en-gb/about/cooverview/thesource/

Maybe with a team of experts on site and unlimited funds. Not to mention any intellect. But we do what we can..

Tried finding a link to a picture, but although have in the past, cant now. Could someone please explain how I attach one to this forum to show. Sorry to ask I'm thick.

2005-Feb-11, 08:21 AM
I had a lot better luck with this link (http://www.londonstockexchange.com/en-gb/about/cooverview/thesource/) to the story about The Source.

2005-Feb-11, 09:26 AM
You are both referring to the same page.

You have copied the URL of the Stock Exchange page AND the URL of some search engine you are using. To link to the SE page, just copy the second half of the link you posted, from "http//ww........." and paste it into - wherever you want, tha address box, or a posting.
If you look at the top of the box you write posts in, you'll see a line of buttons. You can use those to post a link in the way that decimal105 has, by preceding and succeeding the words or code by pressing the buttons to turn each facility on and off. Eg:[]http://www.badastronomy.com/[] - the double square brackets disable the [url] command that would otherwise make that a hyperlink to the BA home page.

What I don't know (apart from everything) is how to post an image here - I think you ned to have the image in a web server somewhere.

Thanks for the link from the LSE page - I hadn't noticed it. Unfortunately, it downloaded to RealPlayer, rather than Windows Media and crashed. I'll try again.

On the project:
Wow, all the electrons as well? Nuclear particles too?? Why not the quarks??? :lol: You want to achieve this project, don't get too ambitious. And I'm not sure about the RSJ - a secure mount certainly, but I have a Christmas glass globe that is 250mm across, and weighs just less than 1kg. So, about 100kgs for the baubles, plus half that for the sticks (GRP tube - fishing rod material) and strings. There must be a joist in the ceiling that will take that - the director in the room above probably weighs more!

These video clips crash both RealPlayer and Windows MediaPlayer - any ideas, anybody? J.

clever dicky
2005-Feb-11, 12:17 PM
yea sorry about that. Copied the link from an email I had sent someone else. The links do play perfectly in wmp 9. as a wmv file. Maybe have a look at file types you have set.

I've been thinking whether to have the nucleus and a whizy electron or two inside a clear glass globe. Maybe plastic and even from two halves. Otherwise just cannot imagin how to get a couple of 'smaller' balls whizing round the outside, however slow.

FOUND ONE. hope the owners of this site dont mind the link. But this is what I've been talking about. Rather ambitious eh.