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Lance
2005-Feb-23, 01:24 AM
Of course Chem Trails are Woo Woo...

But then, what are these for (http://www.freewebs.com/daniscafe/aerosoloperations.htm)?

The first sentence below the pictures reads:


North America is now suffering its seventh year of conspicuous and dangerous aerosol and electromagnetic operations conducted by the U.S. government under the guise of national security. Concerned citizens watch in fear as military tankers discolor the skies with toxic chemicals that morph into synthetic clouds.

So I didn't bother reading the rest. I was more curious about what the pictures really show.

Bender
2005-Feb-23, 01:53 AM
The objects you see are various probes and instruments that are used on aircraft dedicated to meteorology research. Some measure particle size in clods, others are for taking various readings.

Battelle Memorial Institute does a LOT of weather related research.

Maksutov
2005-Feb-23, 02:26 AM
The objects you see are various probes and instruments that are used on aircraft dedicated to meteorology research. Some measure particle size in clods, others are for taking various readings.

Battelle Memorial Institute does a LOT of weather related research.
It might be the larger particles in clods that are responsible for the apparent popularity of this "chem trail" baloney. :D

tmosher
2005-Feb-23, 04:48 AM
Almost all of the probes hanging on that G-I are air sampling.

An Overview of the DOE Research Aircraft Facility (http://www.pnl.gov/atmos_sciences/as_g1_2.html#Instrumentation)

Sulfur dioxide, Ozone, etc - i.e., pollutants.

Sam5
2005-Feb-23, 05:09 AM
Generally, the big vapor trails from the large commercial aircraft are normal water vapor trails. Where I live, the humidity and temperature of the upper atmosphere usually determine whether we see them or not.

The smaller aircraft do a lot of cloud seeding by spraying chemicals into the air to try to cause clouds to form and to release rain. Many states register and regulate these cloud seeding companies who spray the various chemicals into the air.

Plus there are the common “crop dusters” that spray insecticides and herbicides into the air, usually at low altitudes over crops.

Want to seed clouds yourself? Try this equipment. You can buy the stuff on the internet.....


LINK (http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:EUsmDnExf3EJ:www.weathermod.com/seeding_equipment.php+cloud+seeding+equipment&hl=e n&ie=UTF-8)

Sam5
2005-Feb-23, 05:13 AM
How about some nice silver oxide flares?

LINK (http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:X7TmaMifqm8J:www.nawcinc.com/photos.html+cloud+seeding+equipment&hl=en&ie=UTF-8)

Sam5
2005-Feb-23, 05:16 AM
Oh boy, lots of silver oxide in the air....

link (http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:wC60V6ddj5EJ:www.sandylandwater.com/slide7.html+cloud+seeding+equipment&hl=en&ie=UTF-8)

LTC8K6
2005-Feb-23, 04:55 PM
A 1961 Gulfstream 1 is supposed to be spraying chemicals on us now? That's just laughable.

It's just a G1 modified to do atmosphere testing.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/176107/M/

http://picturethis.pnl.gov/picturet.nsf/f/uv?open&SMAA-493UPD

LTC8K6
2005-Feb-23, 04:57 PM
http://www.bnl.gov/bnlweb/pubaf/pr/docs/G-1_poster_7_1.pdf

paulie jay
2005-Feb-23, 10:18 PM
You know, I had never heard of chem-trails before I came to this website. It just isn't somehting that Australians seem concerned about. What's that line about ignorance being bliss? I'm happy!

LTC8K6
2005-Feb-24, 01:15 PM
There is a thriving chemtrail community in Australia. They have been believers since the beginning. You just don't get around enough. :D

paulie jay
2005-Feb-25, 02:22 AM
Or perhaps I just walk in more exalted circles :P :D :wink:

The Rat
2005-Feb-25, 03:08 AM
Strange, isn't it, that the Evil Powers That Be will let someone walk right up to their covert operations aircraft, take detailed photographs of it, then plaster them all over the net? [-X

Methinks someone will soon be getting visit from the Men In Black! :P

Lance
2005-Feb-28, 05:44 PM
Boy, I don't know...

That second photo (http://www.freewebs.com/daniscafe/aerosoloperations.htm) reminds me of a bank of 4 carburetors. Venturis. They look to me much more like something that would be distributing than something that would be collecting.

<edited to fix photo url>

LTC8K6
2005-Feb-28, 09:18 PM
You've already been shown all about the plane. What don't you know?

The plane is too small to even make a piddling little contrail, anyway. It can't carry enough material.

A 747 can't carry enough material, in fact.

Lurker
2005-Feb-28, 10:16 PM
You've already been shown all about the plane. What don't you know?

The plane is too small to even make a piddling little contrail, anyway. It can't carry enough material.

A 747 can't carry enough material, in fact.

:-$

This is a conspiracy... The fact that you are using logic indicates to us that you're already part of the conspiracy!! 8-[

8)

Staiduk
2005-Feb-28, 10:26 PM
Er..... (scratches head) I've seen the word 'chemtrails' appear from time to time on this site but don't know what they are - I assume some people think that aircraft contrails are some sort of Twisted Experiment or Secret Weapon? :o

At any rate; if you were going to build a delivery system that distributes some sort of chemical, why would you put it smack in the side of the fuselage where it would coat the side of the 'plane? Spray systems are generally either in the wings (for a wide spread pattern) or in the tail. The device show is as already described a met. package.

Lance
2005-Feb-28, 11:30 PM
You've already been shown all about the plane. What don't you know?

The plane is too small to even make a piddling little contrail, anyway. It can't carry enough material.

A 747 can't carry enough material, in fact.

My post was worded poorly, sorry.

I appreciate the info about the plane. What I was looking for was info on the device pictured in the second photo at the link above. It appears to be something that would be used for delivery, not collection.

I'm not trying to say I believe in chem trails. Far from it. I am just curious about why 4 venturi-like atomizers would be hanging outside a plane.

ktesibios
2005-Mar-01, 01:40 AM
Those photos have already made it to the Portland Independent Media Center Web site (a wholly owned subsidiary of the Alcoa Haberdashery Shoppe)

I'm wondering- does anyone know what the original source of that particular photo set is? I've previously had a bit of fun, when the black helicopters types posted photos claimed to be of the NWO's 107,000 boxcars with shackles that were built by Gunderson to haul people to the concentration camps, by finding the railfan Web sites they were plagiarized from and posting the details.

I tend to doubt that the people who operate that research airplane have conspiracist photographers hanging around taking close-ups of their hardware; I assume that those pictures were probably ripped off from a rational Web site.

But so far I haven't had any luck finding them. Any clues?

BTW, the Protland indymedia site http://portland.indymedia.org is often chock full of crazy conpiracist goodness. You can win the coveted "paid government troll" badge there even easier than at GLP.

It might be of interest to the connoisseur of such things. :wink:

The Rat
2005-Mar-01, 01:55 AM
Venturis. They look to me much more like something that would be distributing than something that would be collecting.

It appears to be something that would be used for delivery, not collection.

I'm not trying to say I believe in chem trails. Far from it. I am just curious about why 4 venturi-like atomizers would be hanging outside a plane.
And I'm sure we're curious too; what is it about them that makes you assume they are for dipersing something? They are venturis, yes, but why do you believe they are atomizers?

tmosher
2005-Mar-01, 04:02 AM
I thought I'd throw a little fact in about aircraft engines and how much water vapor they produce.

A 1940's vintage reciprocating engine produces 1.25 lbs of water vapor for every pound of fuel it burns.

Source:
Condensation trails : where they occur and what can be done about them (http://naca.larc.nasa.gov/reports/1942/naca-wr-l-474/)

As for the venturis, I believe that are part of the air sampling system.

UNH Acidic Trace Gases and Aerosol Chemistry (http://www-gte.larc.nasa.gov/pem/talbot.htm). The venturis are providing a vacuum source that draws aerosols into the sampling equipment.

Measurements of HNO3, SO2, High Resolution Aerosol SO4 2- (http://www-gte.larc.nasa.gov/trace/TP_Talbot_Instrument.htm)

Lurker
2005-Mar-01, 04:06 AM
Source:
Condensation trails : where they occur and what can be done about them (http://naca.larc.nasa.gov/reports/1942/naca-wr-l-474/)

Ah... but you can't fool me, I've done my homework!! These sites are quite specific, there is a MARKED difference between condensation trails and chem trails!! They are NOT the same!! 8-[

:wink:

tmosher
2005-Mar-01, 04:13 AM
Source:
Condensation trails : where they occur and what can be done about them (http://naca.larc.nasa.gov/reports/1942/naca-wr-l-474/)

Ah... but you can't fool me, I've done my homework!! These sites are quite specific, there is a MARKED difference between condensation trails and chem trails!! They are NOT the same!! 8-[

:wink:

I always weird the woo-woo chemtrail crowd out with this simple little sentence - watch Twelve O'Clock High to see persistent contrails.

It shuts them up for a little while.

Lurker
2005-Mar-01, 04:16 AM
I always weird the woo-woo chemtrail crowd out with this simple little sentence - watch Twelve O'Clock High to see persistent contrails.

It shuts them up for a little while.
Yeah... one of these days, one of them is gunna faint dead away and hurt themselves and you're gunna have a lawsuit on your hands... :P

:wink:

tmosher
2005-Mar-01, 04:30 AM
I always weird the woo-woo chemtrail crowd out with this simple little sentence - watch Twelve O'Clock High to see persistent contrails.

It shuts them up for a little while.
Yeah... one of these days, one of them is gunna faint dead away and hurt themselves and you're gunna have a lawsuit on your hands... :P

:wink:

I'll just tell the judge and jury that it was HAARP that did him in.

Lance
2005-Mar-01, 03:16 PM
And I'm sure we're curious too; what is it about them that makes you assume they are for dipersing something? They are venturis, yes, but why do you believe they are atomizers?

Because that is what they looked like to uneducated me. However, I didn't know what they were, so I came here to ask.

Lance
2005-Mar-01, 03:18 PM
The venturis are providing a vacuum source that draws aerosols into the sampling equipment.

Thank you. That makes perfect sense.