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David Hall
2001-Nov-15, 04:06 PM
Do any of you remember the old comedy sequel Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey? Well, I just got done watching it on videotape (don't ask me why) and I caught some bad bad BA. Yes, I know this movie is not something you'd consider a bastion of good science, or even associate with astronomy at all, but this one was so egregious I just had to point it out.

Even more heinous, it happens at the very end, the very last shot of the film. If any of you know or remember (or care about) it, the movie ends with a musical montage of various newspaper shots showing the future history of the band. Well the last headline shows up saying the Wyld Stallyns are to play Mars. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif It then pans out to a shot of "Mars" before cutting to the credits.

I've taken a series of screenshots to illustrate what happens here. Sorry for the bad resolution, it was the best I could get. But you'll see:

http://www.occn.zaq.ne.jp/cuaea503/images/bntba01.jpg
http://www.occn.zaq.ne.jp/cuaea503/images/bntba02.jpg
http://www.occn.zaq.ne.jp/cuaea503/images/bntba03.jpg

Notice I put the word Mars above in quotes --'cause dudes, that ain't Mars. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif I'm not going to ask you what it really is because I already know. It's actually this:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/vg1_1636836.html

Most non-non-heinous, dontcha think? /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Valiant Dancer
2001-Nov-15, 05:06 PM
On 2001-11-15 11:06, David Hall wrote:
Do any of you remember the old comedy sequel Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey? Well, I just got done watching it on videotape (don't ask me why) and I caught some bad bad BA. Yes, I know this movie is not something you'd consider a bastion of good science, or even associate with astronomy at all, but this one was so egregious I just had to point it out.

Even more heinous, it happens at the very end, the very last shot of the film. If any of you know or remember (or care about) it, the movie ends with a musical montage of various newspaper shots showing the future history of the band. Well the last headline shows up saying the Wyld Stallyns are to play Mars. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif It then pans out to a shot of "Mars" before cutting to the credits.

I've taken a series of screenshots to illustrate what happens here. Sorry for the bad resolution, it was the best I could get. But you'll see:

http://www.occn.zaq.ne.jp/cuaea503/images/bntba01.jpg
http://www.occn.zaq.ne.jp/cuaea503/images/bntba02.jpg
http://www.occn.zaq.ne.jp/cuaea503/images/bntba03.jpg

Notice I put the word Mars above in quotes --'cause dudes, that ain't Mars. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif I'm not going to ask you what it really is because I already know. It's actually this:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/vg1_1636836.html

Most non-non-heinous, dontcha think? /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif




Maybe mars asked too much to be in the movie. Most execellent picture though. (deedle, deedle, deedle) Someone blew the offering to the Goddess of Continuity again.

Azpod
2001-Nov-23, 06:27 PM
Mars, Io, it's all in the same, like, universe, um... dude.

Not that they could tell the difference between the two in the first place! /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Mr. X
2001-Nov-24, 12:06 AM
Mars is most excellent, but IO is pretty excellent too, dudes!

You have Bill and Ted's bogus journey in black and white? Most excellent, dude!

Dudes, be excellent to each other!
(Plays imaginary electric guitar and guitar riff plays out of nowhere)

Simon
2001-Nov-24, 12:43 PM
I believe the term you guys are looking for is "air guitar."

Mr. X
2001-Nov-24, 02:14 PM
On 2001-11-24 07:43, Simon wrote:
I believe the term you guys are looking for is "air guitar."

I had no idea! But I sure do know guitar riffs play out of nowhere when I play an imaginary version of said guitar!

Most excellent job, dude! [Guitar riff out of nowhere when playing imaginary air guitar] /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

David Hall
2001-Nov-25, 08:51 AM
On 2001-11-23 19:06, Mr. X wrote:

You have Bill and Ted's bogus journey in black and white? Most excellent, dude!



No, it's not actually B&W. it was in color. It's a rental after all. But that's how the screen captures came out. I had a hard time getting clear shots. It was either a limit in my capture device or more likely the stupid copy-protection scheme on the tape interfering with a clean picture.

BTW: The first movie was better I think. The second was mostly trying to play on the success of the first. Still, there wasn't any BA in number one, so I didn't mention it here.

Mnemonia
2001-Nov-26, 02:21 PM
On 2001-11-25 03:51, David Hall wrote:


On 2001-11-23 19:06, Mr. X wrote:

You have Bill and Ted's bogus journey in black and white? Most excellent, dude!



No, it's not actually B&W. it was in color. It's a rental after all. But that's how the screen captures came out. I had a hard time getting clear shots. It was either a limit in my capture device or more likely the stupid copy-protection scheme on the tape interfering with a clean picture.


Actually WGN just showed it the other night and I made sure to watch that scene. I got a real good look at it as the newspaper disappears into the distance and could clearly see the image of Io that they used is in fact B&W. If it were color you would expect Io to appear much more vibrant in reds, oranges and yellows. So it's not your tape, VCR, TV, or capture card - it's just the way the movie is.

David Hall
2001-Nov-26, 04:00 PM
So it's not your tape, VCR, TV, or capture card - it's just the way the movie is.


Sorry, but you're incorrect there. I don't know about the version you saw, but mine was definitely in color. I remember especially because of the trouble I had trying to get it to come out the way I saw it on the screen. I finally gave up trying and had to accept it in B&W.

It also sticks in my mind because it was different from the original version I posted above. I almost mentioned it in my OP, but I realized I didn't know whether the producers colorized it, or if they source they got it from had already colorized it.

Doesn't matter though. Color or not, it's still Bogus Astronomy.