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Roger E. Moore
2019-May-02, 05:24 PM
Thought I would start a thread for confusing new words learned while reading through science papers. Open to everyone to post a note about an odd word newly learned from any source. Helpful as a reminder/learning device.

FLOCCULENT

https://arxiv.org/abs/1905.00020
Star Formation Histories of the LEGUS Spiral Galaxies. I. The flocculent spiral NGC 7793
Elena Sacchi, et al. (Submitted on 30 Apr 2019)

Saw this word in the above paper and thought, "How can anyone tell if a galaxy is flatulent? They can't smell it, can they?" Then I looked more closely at the word.

Google dictionary: floc·cu·lent /ˈfläkyələnt/ adjective
1. having or resembling tufts of wool: "the first snows of winter lay thick and flocculent"
2. having a loosely clumped texture: "a brown flocculent precipitate"
NOTE: "flocculent" is sometimes confused with "flocculant"
MNEMONIC: Think of a flock of sheep with tufts of wool.

Picture shows what the "flocculent" galaxy NGC 7793 looks like.

Swift
2019-May-02, 06:52 PM
I am not surprised that most people are not familiar with flocculent/flocculant, but I am. I deal with the processing of ceramic materials and those are terms used in describing ceramic "slips" (liquid suspensions of ceramic particles). They are also common in water treatment - you use a flocculant to make the impurity particles clump together into a flocculent suspension, so they are easier to filter out.

schlaugh
2019-May-02, 07:44 PM
And making beer clearer. [emoji1]

Nicolas
2019-May-02, 07:49 PM
I am very familiar with "flocculant" (treatment of contaminated water), but have never seen or used "flocculent".

Jens
2019-May-03, 02:27 AM
I am very familiar with "flocculant" (treatment of contaminated water), but have never seen or used "flocculent".

I may be remembering incorrectly, but are you French? If so, it's understandable. I grew up there, and had to do a lot of ortographie in school, and as a result, I still "misspell" English words, using e instead of a or vis versa.

KaiYeves
2019-May-03, 03:39 AM
Okay, ancient Corinth I understand well enough as an archaeologist, but how did “Corinthian” come to mean both “debauched and licentious” and “in the spirit of highest sportsmanship”?

Noclevername
2019-May-03, 04:21 AM
Okay, ancient Corinth I understand well enough as an archaeologist, but how did “Corinthian” come to mean both “debauched and licentious” and “in the spirit of highest sportsmanship”?

I thought it meant fine, rich leather.

ozduck
2019-May-03, 05:20 AM
I am not surprised that most people are not familiar with flocculent/flocculant, but I am. I deal with the processing of ceramic materials and those are terms used in describing ceramic "slips" (liquid suspensions of ceramic particles). They are also common in water treatment - you use a flocculant to make the impurity particles clump together into a flocculent suspension, so they are easier to filter out.

And in a resources rich place like Western Australia, well known as being used in drilling fluids for cleaning the drill hole.

Nicolas
2019-May-03, 07:28 AM
I may be remembering incorrectly, but are you French? If so, it's understandable. I grew up there, and had to do a lot of ortographie in school, and as a result, I still "misspell" English words, using e instead of a or vis versa.

I'm dutch speaking, but I work for a multinational and all our communication regarding soil treatment is in English. Also, "flocculant" and "flocculent" are two different words. A flocculant is a chemical agent, where flocculent is a property. And that's why we have no use for the word "flocculent" while we do use "flocculant" all the time.

Roger E. Moore
2019-May-03, 12:04 PM
Okay, ancient Corinth I understand well enough as an archaeologist, but how did “Corinthian” come to mean both “debauched and licentious” and “in the spirit of highest sportsmanship”?

I thought it was a type font or script.

Noclevername
2019-May-03, 12:11 PM
Okay, ancient Corinth I understand well enough as an archaeologist, but how did “Corinthian” come to mean both “debauched and licentious” and “in the spirit of highest sportsmanship”?

I've honestly never heard the term used in those ways before.

Roger E. Moore
2019-May-03, 12:21 PM
I'm telling you, Corinth used to be one heck of a town.

profloater
2019-May-03, 01:18 PM
I've honestly never heard the term used in those ways before. I think of columns as in the orders of columns, Doric, Ionic, and the C ones.

Jens
2019-May-04, 12:24 AM
I've honestly never heard the term used in those ways before.

Neither have I. I think it may be one of those terms that you hear if you are working in or are associated with some field. For example, there is a word, undulator, that I never heard before I started working in physics research. But now I hear it from time to time.

Jens
2019-May-04, 12:25 AM
I think of columns as in the orders of columns, Doric, Ionic, and the C ones.

Hmm, I thought Doric and Ionic were music scales. :)

Nicolas
2019-May-04, 06:56 PM
The kids at school used to call me a Doric.

Noclevername
2019-May-04, 06:57 PM
The kids at school used to call me a Doric.

How Ionic.

Nicolas
2019-May-06, 06:57 AM
Yes, we'll be here all week and you can hire us for your company parties or weddings.

Roger E. Moore
2019-Jun-17, 03:48 PM
A Beatles song got stuck in my had, and finally I began to wonder exactly what the phrase "day tripper" meant. It turns out to be a very clever, multilayered phrase that so far as can be told, did not exist before the song was written in 1965. Borrowing a bit from Wikipedia, here's the definitions I've found.

===

DAY-TRIPPER Definitions
Phrase invented by John Lennon of the Beatles in 1965 for the song "Day-Tripper".

1. A person who visits a tourist destination or visitor attraction from home or hotel in the morning and returns home or to the hotel the same evening; a person who goes on a journey or excursion, especially for pleasure, that is completed in one day.

2. A person who goes through a daily routine while under the influence of short-term recreational drugs, particularly hallucinogens like LSD ("tripping").

3. A person who is only partially committed to an ideal, action, job, or relationship, breaking off the commitment after a very short period despite what appeared to be genuine enthusiasm. Examples: a bureaucrat who briefly becomes a "weekend hippie", a man looking for a "one-nighter" or "one-night stand".

===

A person who registers on CosmoQuest, posts a few excited notes, then never shows up again could be called a "day tripper", someone whose enthusiasm for astronomy was short-lived.

grant hutchison
2019-Jun-17, 04:00 PM
"Day-tripper" is attested by the Oxford English Dictionary as far back as 1897, designating a person who takes a "day trip" - a one-day excursion.

Lennon, fairly typically, punned on a well-established phrase. His new implication was of someone who was (in modern parlance) a sort of "weekend warrior" when it came to LSD use, rather than a regular user. That concept of someone who is only partially or intermittently committed to an activity then folded back into a more general application that's close to synonymous with the modern usage of dilettante.

Grant Hutchison

eburacum45
2019-Jun-17, 05:32 PM
Okay, ancient Corinth I understand well enough as an archaeologist, but how did “Corinthian” come to mean both “debauched and licentious” and “in the spirit of highest sportsmanship”?

This entry on Wikipedia might explain some of these characteristics. Neil Gaiman has a demonic character called the Corinthian who embodies all, or most of them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corinthian_(comics)#Name

The origin of the Corinthian's name is unclear. In a later story arc of Sandman, The Kindly Ones, Puck politely refuses to ask whether his name is taken from "the letters, the pillars, the leather, the place, or the mode of behavior."
"The letters" is a reference to the First (and second) Epistle to the Corinthians, which uses a phrase similar to "dark mirror," as used by Dream to describe him.
"The pillars" is a reference to Corinthian columns.
"The leather" is referring to Corinthian leather.
"The place" refers to Corinth, Greece.
"The mode of behavior" (Corinthian behavior) is indulging in luxury and licentiousness.
In the Death In Venice miniseries, a beggar (who is not entirely reliable) claims that he exchanged one of his eyes for one offered to him by the Corinthian, and that he called him by the first thing he saw when he opened his new eye–a Corinthian pillar. Later in Death in Venice, the Corinthian refers to himself as "the dream rot."
According to an interview with Gaiman in The Sandman Companion, the Corinthian takes his name from the mode of behavior; specifically, "a Corinthian" was another term for a rake: a devil-may-care, ne'er-do-well.
Corinth was the Las Vegas of the Mediterranean at one point. I've heard. They hosted the Isthmian Games and a temple of Aphrodite.

Noclevername
2019-Jun-17, 05:58 PM
Okay, ancient Corinth I understand well enough as an archaeologist, but how did “Corinthian” come to mean both “debauched and licentious” and “in the spirit of highest sportsmanship”?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corinthian_F.C.


Corinthian Football Club was an English amateur football club based in London between 1882 and 1939.[1]
Above all, the club is credited with having popularised football around the world,[2] having promoted sportsmanship and fair play, and having championed the ideals of amateurism.[3]

Roger E. Moore
2019-Jun-17, 06:02 PM
"Day-tripper" is attested by the Oxford English Dictionary as far back as 1897, designating a person who takes a "day trip" - a one-day excursion.

Lennon, fairly typically, punned on a well-established phrase. His new implication was of someone who was (in modern parlance) a sort of "weekend warrior" when it came to LSD use, rather than a regular user. That concept of someone who is only partially or intermittently committed to an activity then folded back into a more general application that's close to synonymous with the modern usage of dilettante.

Grant Hutchison

I stand corrected! :)

grant hutchison
2019-Jun-17, 06:22 PM
I stand corrected! :)British English, I suspect. In the UK, we all knew what a conventional "day tripper" was in 1965, which allowed Lennon and McCartney to fly under the radar with their LSD reference.

Grant Hutchison