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Lianachan
2005-Apr-14, 11:26 AM
It's now quite easy to spy on Area 51!

Go to http://maps.google.com/.

Click on the "satellite" link in the top right.

Search for "Rachel, Nevada".

Now search for "Tikaboo Peak"

Pan left, you'll see a bright white salt lake bed.

Zoom in on it, and the surrounding area, to see Area 51 in all its glory. There's some interesting mounds and craters a bit off to the left, and some nice bright green circles just to the north. Enjoy!

PS I can't see any alien motherships

Nicolas
2005-Apr-14, 11:35 AM
link (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Tikaboo+Peak&ll=37.269745,-115.824566&sll=37.325866,-115.308032&spn=0.064373,0.080938&sspn=0.128746,0.1 61877&t=k&hl=en)
Is that a craft on the runway?

btw the green circles can be water or something; I've seen green spots elsewhere which doesn't seem to be like green in real life.

Amadeus
2005-Apr-14, 11:45 AM
Is that a craft on the runway?


Looks like there is something there all right. Cant see wings though looks kinda bulky for a plane. Could be some kind of runway cleaning vehicle.

Lianachan
2005-Apr-14, 11:53 AM
link (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Tikaboo+Peak&ll=37.269745,-115.824566&sll=37.325866,-115.308032&spn=0.064373,0.080938&sspn=0.128746,0.1 61877&t=k&hl=en)
Is that a craft on the runway?

I do believe you're right :wink:


btw the green circles can be water or something; I've seen green spots elsewhere which doesn't seem to be like green in real life.

Just had that very conversation at work here - I suggested they were wide and shallow "pans" of water, possibly for evaporation. Very vivid green colour though, quite pretty.

Nicolas
2005-Apr-14, 12:16 PM
It looks very strange to be some aircraft, is it some kind of (moveable) housing maybe?

Lianachan
2005-Apr-14, 01:30 PM
The origins of some of the craters is made clear here:

http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/doe.htm

Candy
2005-Apr-14, 01:51 PM
http://home.att.net/~candy.stair/runway.jpg

Are you talking about this area? 8-[

Nicolas
2005-Apr-14, 02:06 PM
Candy:

linky (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Tikaboo+Peak&ll=37.484665,-115.653763&sll=37.325866,-115.308032&spn=0.514984,0.647507&sspn=0.128746,0.1 61877&t=k&hl=en)

Lower left: white dot is the salt lake, where the "airport" is located (runway stretches into the lake itself).

Lower right: darker things are the exposion craters (explosion test range).
Edit: no they're not. These are open mines or something. the craters are on the left of the main base; they look like a moon landscape (oh come on HB's!! :D )

Upper left: the green circles. Possible salt pans.

Lianachan
2005-Apr-14, 02:20 PM
Are you talking about this area? 8-[

Nope. From the link Nicolas posted, if you look to the left of the main base and zoom in, you can see a massive crater. This is in the northern end of the department of energy's Nevada test area. From there, if you zoom in, you can see a multitude of craters and mounds if you follow the valley south - the results of years of testing, including of nuclear devices.

The bright green stuff - it's well outside the area of the base, and there's a very natural looking river off to the right that shows the same colour. In fact, there's green circles like that all over the place if you zoom out a bit and pan around the general area. So - pans of water it is, then, not vats of alien blood.

2005-Apr-14, 02:48 PM
http://home.att.net/~candy.stair/runway.jpg

Are you talking about this area? 8-[


Mm.s.C'

tofu
2005-Apr-14, 03:02 PM
I can't seem to find the airplane on the runway, but at that resolution, if you could see it, my guess would be that it was one of the 737s that shuttle the employees to and from the base.

The airforce probably knows when a satellite with a camera on it passes overhead. They probably know the exact time more accurately than even the sat's owners.

Here's a cool link that someone posted in the fark thread when google first released this:

http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=32.160684,-110.860608&spn=0.009763,0.014098&t=k&hl=en

It's the US Warplane Graveyard in Tucson, AZ

Nicolas
2005-Apr-14, 03:11 PM
I was talking about the big white square halfway on the black runway through the salt lake.

frogesque
2005-Apr-14, 04:31 PM
Looking at the runway and that rectangle. The top (front?) end seems to be higher than the rear section and casts a longer shadow on the RHS. It's aslo fairly clear that it doesn't have wings. The runway track also apears wider below the oblong (back?) than it does at the top. I'm going with the idea proposed by Amadeus that it's a runway clearing machine (something akin to a snow blower) to clear salt dust off the runway.

Of course it is [woo music crescendo] Area 51 [/woo music crescendo] and it could be the latest in stealth design (http://gprime.net/video.php/flyinglawnmower)

Nicolas
2005-Apr-14, 04:38 PM
I totally missed Amadeus' post. Sounds very likely. I had seen that the runway indeed was smaller after the structure. I didn't see wings, but as both the object and salt were white I wasn't sure.

Maybe it's a wreckage scraper. You know, to allow for fast succession of very experimental plane tests :D

zwwwwwip "ok NEXT!"

the_shaggy_one
2005-Apr-14, 04:39 PM
The bright green stuff - it's well outside the area of the base, and there's a very natural looking river off to the right that shows the same colour. In fact, there's green circles like that all over the place if you zoom out a bit and pan around the general area. So - pans of water it is, then, not vats of alien blood.

The green circles are actually irrigated fields. It's a very common method of irrigation in the western US. I noticed it in Washington while driving to Oregon last summer. Here (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=45.962334,-119.618797&spn=0.245819,0.263329&t=k&hl=en)'s more just southwest of Pasco, Washington. (These are the ones I drove by)

Nicolas
2005-Apr-14, 04:40 PM
Cool! I'd never seen that before.

frogesque
2005-Apr-14, 04:56 PM
... But pools of alien blood would have been much cooler 8)

the_shaggy_one
2005-Apr-14, 04:57 PM
... But pools of alien blood would have been much cooler 8)

But, growing crops to feed people is so much more practical. :P

tlbs101
2005-Apr-14, 05:24 PM
The craters to the west of Area 51 are the result of nuclear testing. That area west of Area 51 is the Nevada Test Site. I should know.

It's interesting that the now unclassified portions of the whole NTS/Nellis test range (including 51) alow "full" zoom-in capabilities, while the classified portions are still at much lower resolution. In fact, I would have thought "they" would have pixilated all of area 51 similar to what "they" did with the major federal government buildings in WA. D.C.

The largest crater closest to Area 51 happens to be the Sedan crater (to the SW of Area 51).

The green circles are irrigated crops -- probabaly alfalfa. I've seen them almost all of my life. Up that far north you are back into private land. The only thing I wonder is: where are they getting their water from -- I didn't realize there was that much of an aquifer there.

tofu
2005-Apr-14, 06:09 PM
It's interesting that the now unclassified portions of the whole NTS/Nellis test range (including 51) alow "full" zoom-in capabilities, while the classified portions are still at much lower resolution.

The only reason for that is google's choice of image source. If you want really high-res, 1 meter images of area 51, take a look at this:
http://www.fas.org/irp/overhead/groom.htm

I was looking at this image:
http://www.fas.org/irp/overhead/ikonos_040400_overview_03-f.htm

which shows a baseball diamond and a tennis court, and I couldn't help but think about the people who actually live and work on the base. It's just an ordinary life for them. They have meetings and office politics, and sometimes they have an office picnic, and probably the GS civilian employees challenge the air force personnel to a game of baseball. The only unusual thing is that they're working on really cutting edge technology, so they have to maintain secrecy.

And you know, most of them are probably geeks at heart, so chances are there are at least two or three who are members of BABB. Hi guys.

edit: regarding the ability to zoom in, I should mention that where I live you can't zoom in either. It's just that google didn't buy any high-res images for this area.

Tuckerfan
2005-Apr-14, 06:42 PM
For a laff, read this guy's blog (http://www.livejournal.com/community/the_unexplained/37956.html#cutid1) on the images! :lol:

Nicolas
2005-Apr-14, 06:50 PM
The researching capacities of these guys are incredible! :roll:

frogesque
2005-Apr-14, 10:59 PM
In a weird sort of, 'if we can produce pics this good of our own installations, just think what we can see of yours' way then I suppose it does enhance secrity in that there can be few major building projects in the world that aren't identifiable.

Humphrey
2005-Apr-15, 02:51 AM
Could the block just be the radar tower?

Tuckerfan
2005-Apr-15, 03:05 AM
Could the block just be the radar tower?At Area 51? Puhleeze. :roll: It's obviously a transdimensional hyperspatial conduit generator!

Nicolas
2005-Apr-15, 05:40 AM
Could the block just be the radar tower?

On the runway line it would more likely be a radio beacon for landing assistance. As the runway extends into the lake upto the piont of the square, I think they'd have put that a little bit further though. It wouldn't be the first time that a large and not so healthy craft needed quite some salt to come to a stop. Wouldn't want to have a beacon guiding you to POI :).

tofu
2005-Apr-15, 02:18 PM
Could the block just be the radar tower?

Check out the site I linked to earlier. There are very clear images of the runway. I think it's just a patch of concrete. also, you'll notice that there are white dots painted on the portion of the runway that extends into the lake. I think that's out mystery aircraft.

http://www.fas.org/irp/overhead/ikonos_040400_overview_02-f.htm
(shows the white dots and also patches of white concrete on the regular runway)

Amadeus
2005-Apr-15, 02:38 PM
Could the block just be the radar tower?

Check out the site I linked to earlier. There are very clear images of the runway. I think it's just a patch of concrete. also, you'll notice that there are white dots painted on the portion of the runway that extends into the lake. I think that's out mystery aircraft.

http://www.fas.org/irp/overhead/ikonos_040400_overview_02-f.htm
(shows the white dots and also patches of white concrete on the regular runway)

Well you can see the dots on the google map and its a lot bigger than them.

Also the runway looks wider on one side of it than the other. Dont let me be the only one that noticed that... This could be explained by a machine clearing salt off the runway.
Could be clearing reflective salt etc of the runway. Also the edges "in front" of it are ragged and the edges behind it are a lot straighter like its been scraped.

[EDIT]
My thinking goes like this. They would know a satalite is above and cannot bring anything secret out so they decide to use the down time for maintanace.

Waarthog
2005-Apr-15, 04:47 PM
Some things to ponder:

Given the scale of the photo, the runway artifact is HUGE if it is a structure. My guess is that it is salt washed across a low point in the runway after a period of rain.

With the advent of the F-117 program, all flight ops and aircraft movement is done at night. Nothing would be visible during the day for reasons that should be obvious.

Nicolas
2005-Apr-15, 05:15 PM
Could the block just be the radar tower?

Check out the site I linked to earlier. There are very clear images of the runway. I think it's just a patch of concrete. also, you'll notice that there are white dots painted on the portion of the runway that extends into the lake. I think that's out mystery aircraft.

http://www.fas.org/irp/overhead/ikonos_040400_overview_02-f.htm
(shows the white dots and also patches of white concrete on the regular runway)

I'm sorry, but the square I was talking about is not on that picture. It's halfway in the salt lake itself, on the black part of the runway, jsut above the edge of this pic. It doesn't lok like an aircraft, it looks like a structure. And if it was an aircraft, it doesn't need to be secret. they do things with normal plane types there as well.

extreme lower left here (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Tikaboo+Peak&ll=37.288198,-115.789890&sll=37.325866,-115.308032&spn=0.050468,0.058365&sspn=0.128746,0.1 61877&t=k&hl=en)

It looks like a structure, and the runway behind it seems "salted" so a cleaning thing sounds very reasonable indeed. A large moveable structure in that case!

It seems the runway extended beyond the lake in the 1960's, and only vaguely does so nowadays?