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Gemini
2005-Jul-30, 12:58 AM
Out of curiosity, do any of you have a cool ideas for the CEV or other manned spacecraft, I will be posting some of mine as well

Jorge
2005-Jul-30, 10:52 AM
Something along the lines of the X32 (o was that x33?) seems nice tome, but then again that means we'll have a plane type craft again, a capsule might be better.

if you upload your images to imageshack it will give you the correct code for you to use, so only copy/past and your done[/img]

Gemini
2005-Jul-30, 07:19 PM
I also liked the idea for a winged reentry vehicle. Insted of using tiles it would have an ablative (Like on Apollo) heatsheild that could be bolted on, and then replaced for the next flight. The skin of the spacecraft would be made of composites and covered with Nomex. It would launch using a Mag-Lev (magnetic levitating, like a monorail) track , a ramjet, and miniturised SSME's. It would land on Earth or Mars using a combination of a parachute and the wings. for Lunar missions it would use the usual retrorocket system. In case of emergency the front breaks away and uses a stearable parafoil and skids for landing.

PS it is the X-33, the X-32 was boeing's JSF proposal

Jorge
2005-Jul-30, 07:36 PM
X33 is also a watch if i rember correcly

Jpax2003
2005-Jul-30, 07:50 PM
Has anyone considered lancing on the moon using less retro thrust by using skids? I was thinking of something like a snowplane uses to land in the arctic. It might not work for passenger craft or delicate cargo, but I was thinking of using a similar method for transit pods carrying prefabricated construction materials (I-beams, Dome sections, etc).

Gemini
2005-Jul-31, 12:28 AM
The Orion space transfer vehicle docked with Challenger CEV. Orion is constructed from a shuttle ET fitted with nuclear engines and solar panels.http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/3411/challengerandorion0rj.th.jpg (http://img310.imageshack.us/my.php?image=challengerandorion0rj.jpg) (http://img349.imageshack.us/my.php?image=challenger3fv.jpg) Cut away of Challenger spacecraft, sorry about the grainy images, also Orion's launch vehicle the Phoenix-2[img]http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/9869/phoenix25py.th.jpg (http://img319.imageshack.us/my.php?image=phoenix25py.jpg) ( I drew these during my Social Studies exam, People asked me for some of these to put in their yearbook, my sketches have become quite (in)famous at school)

Eoanthropus Dawsoni
2005-Jul-31, 02:36 AM
I also liked the idea for a winged reentry vehicle. Insted of using tiles it would have an ablative (Like on Apollo) heatsheild that could be bolted on, and then replaced for the next flight. The skin of the spacecraft would be made of composites and covered with Nomex. It would launch using a Mag-Lev (magnetic levitating, like a monorail) track , a ramjet, and miniturised SSME's. It would land on Earth or Mars using a combination of a parachute and the wings. for Lunar missions it would use the usual retrorocket system. In case of emergency the front breaks away and uses a stearable parafoil and skids for landing.

PS it is the X-33, the X-32 was boeing's JSF proposal

That sounds a lot like Fireball XL5 (http://www.nostalgiacentral.com/tv/kids/xl5.htm).

Gemini
2005-Jul-31, 03:38 AM
That sounds a lot like Fireball XL5.
There is an eerie resemblance 8-[ , originally I was going from the Orion 3 from 2001 with rail idea, I have another drawing of the rail system that I will post later and the picture with the rest of the CEV's

Launch window
2005-Jul-31, 08:17 PM
see this thread
http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=15514&highlight=

Jpax2003
2005-Jul-31, 08:35 PM
Gemini, get thee to an office supply store and pick up some quadrille graph paper, ruler, protractor and compass. Ya got the passion, now get the tools.

Gemini
2005-Aug-01, 03:26 AM
if you upload your images to imageshack it will give you the correct code for you to use, so only copy/past and your done[/img] thank you, also the skid iddea is pretty interesting
"Has anyone considered lancing on the moon using less retro thrust by using skids? I was thinking of something like a snowplane uses to land in the arctic. It might not work for passenger craft or delicate cargo, but I was thinking of using a similar method for transit pods carrying prefabricated construction materials (I-beams, Dome sections, etc)".
thanks for the coments and the other ideas, much appreciated

publiusr
2005-Aug-03, 07:06 PM
There is a model available of the Lockheed OSP--warmed over to become CEV:

Scott Lowther's new Lockheed-Martin CEV kit.
http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/Lockheed-MartinCEVPage.htm


www.space.com/businesstechnology/050803_shuttle-derived_cev.html

Don't know if anybody had seen this one yet...
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=1055

Also some stuff here:

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/421/1

And a bit on the lunar CEV here...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/custom/space/orl-asec-moon073105,0,3136666.htmlstory?coll=orl-home-promo


http://makeashorterlink.com/?M1682578B



and another one
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/208/1

and a different configuration
http://www.orbit6.com/rockets/shuttlec.htm

but you're probably thinking of a design like this
http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/hear2015.htm

and you can find more info here
http://www.safesimplesoon.com/nextstep.htm

Article written for the space review that features
the Ares Booster, another SDLV.

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/150/1

Gemini
2005-Aug-05, 02:21 AM
Nice links, that will keep me busy for a while on modeling ( I'm also on the SM forum). My AMT/Lindberg "America in Space Collection" is starting to look sparse. =D>

publiusr
2005-Aug-05, 07:53 PM
For many years I wanted Griffin for NASA Chief Admin.

I got my wish:

I wanted HLLV:

I'm getting my wish--I hope!

I wanted Delta II dead.

I'm getting that wish too!
http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=3101&start=0&postdays=0&postorder= asc&highlight=

See second page.

And who says there are no miracles?


Misc.

Recap:

Aldridge report out:
www.moontomars.org

See Page 29-33 of 64 In Adobe
Page 27-30 hardcopy

http://www.nsschapters.org/ny/nyc/Commentaries.htm#_October_25,_2003
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/oped-03zzs.html
http://www.starbooster.com/TALAYPanel3FINAL.pdf
http://www.starbooster.com/aquila.htm
http://www.projectconstellation.us/news/archives/2004/07/28/hercules_exploration_system

http://www.lunadude.com/images-pfolio/l_ashuttle-02.jpg
http://www.lunadude.com/images-pfolio/l_davis-ashuttle.jpg


Misc
http://www.moonbase-usa.org/
http://www.geocities.com/uncle_rocket/img001.html
http://space.designerz.com/space-launch-vehicles.php