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The Bad Astronomer
2002-Sep-19, 12:13 AM
I was fooling around on amazon.com, looking into HB materials, and was curious about Bill Kaysing's book's ranking (it's at 103,000, if you must know). Amazon will commonly pair books of similar topics to help them sell. What book do you think was paired with Mr. Kaysing's? Heehee. See for yourself (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0787304875/qid=1032393794/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-7832250-4230411?v=glance&s=books). Hopefully the pairing will still be there for a while.

2002-Sep-19, 12:22 AM
I noticed this. Why would they pair up your book with Kaysing's? /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif

2002-Sep-19, 12:36 AM
If you worked for Amazon, wouldn't YOU pair up Bad Astronomy with, well...BAD ASTRONOMY???

I sure as heck would!!

This forum needs an evil smiley... /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif

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2002-Sep-19, 04:56 AM
I speculate that Amazons data mining software is responsible for this one. A lot of people who look at Phils book probably also look at this one too if only for the humor. What the data-miner is looking for is trends so if it sees a lot of people looking at "BA the book" AND Kaysing, it will think that people of similar interest to Kaysing will buy Phils book. While this is a vast oversimplification of how data mining works, I hope it suffices for the moment

2002-Sep-19, 06:20 AM
I, too, feel this is an artifact of the computer. I don't claim to know how data mining works or anything, but I suspect that they don't have actual people comparing the books and saying "These would look good together." Rather, they have the computers sorting various information. It could be as simple as looking at key words: Science, Astronomy, Moon Landings - hey, these books are similar. Or it could be something more sophisticated as mentioned: people looking at this book also looked at this book, they must have something in common people like together. *shrug*

2002-Sep-19, 06:41 AM
As I wrote in another thread, on the page for Sibrel's DVD, they pack it together with "Capricorn One". Computer humor.


2002-Sep-19, 12:46 PM
On 2002-09-18 20:22, AstroMike wrote:
I noticed this. Why would they pair up your book with Kaysing's? /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif

Not a bad pairing, really. If folks do buy both, at least they'll get both sides. (And the BA gets a royalty, which would probably drive Kaysing crazy.**)

I see his book got a 4-star rating... sort of:

That being said, let me say that this is less science and more science fiction. It should be noted that Kaysing was a WRITER, not a scientist. All of his information is second-hand, and little of it from any authoritative source.

If you want a detailed explanation of why the "hoax" idea is hogwash, check out

where the February 2001 FOX broadcast is disected point-by-point.

I wonder which reference Amazon deleted from this review?

** Yeah, yeah... a short putt.

2002-Sep-19, 01:15 PM
I'm still chuckling over the fact that if you type "Bart Sibrel" into Google, Clavius (http://www.clavius.org/) is the first site that comes up.

2002-Sep-19, 03:47 PM
That's just too funny BA!
Actually I'm kind of encouraged. Perhaps it's a way to get people to look at both sides of the argument.

2002-Sep-19, 03:53 PM
Well, I just checked (10:30am CDT) and the book it's paired with now is "You're Being Lied To!", which also seems appropriate. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Although I was logged into Amazon at the time, so now they'll probably start recommending a bunch of hoax crap to me. Thanks a lot, BA! /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_frown.gif

Just a thought, but maybe the pairings are customer specific? I think they know I already have BA's book.

2002-Sep-19, 10:54 PM
Yahoo gives this first page of responses to "Bart Sibrel".

He mainly pulls up sites that debunk him.

Web Page Matches 1 - 20 of 272 | Next 20

Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy: Misconceptions: Bart Sibrel, Moon ... - ... Bart Sibrel gets Buzzed. ALERT: I was interviewed for TechTV, and the piece will air on Tuesday, September 17 at 8:30 pm Eastern (US) time. ...
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/sibrel.html Search within this site

Clavius: Bibliography - bart sibrel's top ten - ... This is a review of the top ten reasons Bart Sibrel believes support his contention that the lunar landings were falsified. "Tricky ...
http://www.clavius.org/bibsibrel.html Search within this site

Bart Sibrel - Moon Hoax Movie Videos - BartSibrel.com Bart Sibrel is a lying anti-American con man who makes his living by stalking retired American astronauts, telling lies about these American ...

Laura Lee Show - Bart Sibrel - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way ... - ... Bart Sibrel A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon. About Bart Sibrel Bart Winfield Sibrel has been making moving image productions for thirteen years. ...
http://www.lauralee.com/sibrel.htm Search within this site

Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon - video purportedly showing proof that NASA faked the Apollo 11 moon landing.
More sites about: Video Retailers > Documentary Titles

You probably encountered Bart Sibrel - ... You probably encountered Bart Sibrel EDM Discussion Group. From ... 43. Comments. The television crew you encountered was likely Bart Sibrel. ...
http://www.edmitchellapollo14.com/_discgroup3/0000006b.htm Search within this site

Moon Stalker - ... Moon Stalker, Our columnist evaluates the claims by conspiracy theorist and astronaut-stalker Bart Sibrel that man never walked on the moon?and concludes, he ...
http://www.msnbc.com/news/808701.asp Search within this site

Debunking The "Debunkers" - ... Three Quick Reasons Why Bart Sibrel's and other Moon Hoax Allegations Are Invalid 1- None of the Apollo hoax claims are valid or legitimate. ...
http://www.business.uab.edu/cache/debunking.htm Search within this site

Nobles and Knaves -- The Washington Times - ... Knave: Bart Simpson, er Bart Sibrel, a loud-mouthed, cartoon caricature of a conspiracy theorist whose loutish ambush of former astronaut Buzz Aldrin this week ...
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20020914-48021465.htm Search within this site

Art Bell - Past Show Archives March 2001 - ... Host: Barbara Simpson Guest: Bart Sibrel In A Funny Thing Happened On The way To The Moon, Bart Sibrel uncovered a 31-year old, mislabeled, unedited reel of ...
http://www.artbell.com/topics0301.html Search within this site

Apollo Hoax Theory, Moon, The Face on Mars, Mankind's Origins, ... - ... were passengers.” Buzz Aldrin Apollo astronaut. This noteworthy comment by Buzz Aldrin was made after seeing a video produced by fellow researcher Bart Sibrel. ...
http://www.aulis.com/nasa7.htm Search within this site

MOVABLE TYPE : TEMPLATE - ... Posted by Rand Simberg at 09:50 AM The Astronaut Assault Hoax. Bart Sibrel, a man who claims that man never set foot on the Moon, also claims that famous Apollo ...
http://www.interglobal.org/weblog/archives/2002_09.html Search within this site

PhotoDude's Web Log: Buzz Basher Begets Beating - ... Bart Sibrel refuses to believe anyone walked on the Moon, and while using one hand to hold his aluminum foil hat in place, he physically blocked Aldrin's exit ...
http://www.photodude.com/weblog/dumped/2002/September/002191.shtml Search within this site

Astroenlazador.com -.- Curiosidades Astronomicas - ... El ex-astronauta Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin, de 72 años, se vió obligado a defenderse violentamente del cineasta Bart Sibrel, que intentó impedirle el paso a la ...
http://www.telecable.es/personales/azpp1/curiosidadessemanales.htm Search within this site

kuh.at - Mondlandung: Die ultimative Wahrheit! - ... apollo-prokekt.de Als nun vor kurzem der Filmemacher Bart Sibrel den Ex-Astronauten Buzz Aldrin vor einem Hotel abfing und von ihm verlangte, einen Schwur auf ...

CBS News | Apollo 11 Astronaut Decks Filmmaker | September 11, ... - ... to protect himself and his stepdaughter when he was aggressively confronted outside a Beverly Hills hotel," by independent Nashville filmmaker Bart Sibrel ...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/11/entertainment/main521663.shtml Search within this site

TechTV | Was the Moon Landing a Hoax? - ... Conspiracy theorist Bart Sibrel found himself smack in the middle of a face-to-face altercation with Apollo 11 astronaut Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin last week when ...
http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0,24195,3400026,00.html Search within this site

CNN.com - Apollo astronaut says he hit man in self defense - ... - ... O'Brien added that the 72-year-old Aldrin "was forced to protect himself" from independent Nashville filmmaker Bart Sibrel, a much younger and bigger man, who ...
http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/09/11/aldrin.skeptic.reut/?from=astrowire Search within this site

The Moon Missions: Oh Ye of Little Faith... - ... Now a new documentary video has been produced by Mr. Bart Sibrel and was aired by Fox TV called; A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon, available @ www ...

Moon Hoax Proponents - ... it for yourself. Bart Sibrel. Bart's new to the moon hoax game, but he's making up for it by being the most voluble. Quite simply ...

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(I don't know it this contravenes the forum rules. If it does, it will be deleted.

Just don't ban me!!! /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif )

The Bad Astronomer
2002-Sep-27, 09:58 PM
I just checked amazon again-- now Dark Moon is paired with my book! Heehee.

Funnier yet, Sibrel's video, Kaysing's and Percy's book all have a blurb on the page that says essentially "1 reader recommends 'Bad Astronomy" instead of this book". /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

David Hall
2002-Sep-28, 02:46 AM
On 2002-09-27 17:58, The Bad Astronomer wrote:

Funnier yet, Sibrel's video, Kaysing's and Percy's book all have a blurb on the page that says essentially "1 reader recommends 'Bad Astronomy" instead of this book". /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Ok, so who's the wise guy? I know one of you did it. 'Fess up.

(And when I say "wise guy", I mean "wise" in the more general sense of the term /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif ).

2002-Sep-28, 02:52 AM
Let's just say that it wasn't me, but I wish it was.

2002-Sep-29, 10:00 AM
<a name="20020929.2:46">LiNe 20020929.2:46 aka L/N
On 2002-09-18 20:13, The Bad Astronomer wrote: To: 2:48 A.M. PDT 2-9-29

hmm? an appeal to numerology
popular Go_mint & all?
So, yeah:
there has to be some truthe to the appeal
however I do wish to point out the
"contemporary" Unpopularity of some ?"Scientific"?
thoughts.. keepimg in mind what actually to place on the CampUS when the GW dector was presented {as a Gift} now back to tv: just a second} wheres the remote?

2002-Sep-30, 01:33 PM
Ah, proof that Americans can do irony!

Adolf Hitler
2002-Nov-16, 08:35 PM
Just for your information Amazon.com Sales Rank: 95,908 as of November 16.

2002-Nov-16, 08:43 PM
We Never Went to the Moon: America's Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle
by Bill Kaysing, Randy Reid

Amazon.com Sales Rank: 95,908

Bad Astronomy: Misconceptions and Misuses Revealed, from Astrology to the Moon Landing "Hoax"
by Philip C. Plait

Amazon.com Sales Rank: 3,620

2002-Nov-16, 09:53 PM
Hmmm... they seem to change the pairings every hour or so... now the BA book is paired with Bad Medicine.

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Adolf Hitler
2002-Nov-18, 06:02 PM
It's at 82,000 look out Phil. He's coming after you.

2002-Nov-18, 06:40 PM
Well, it's paired with Worlds in Upheaval now.

Here's something from one of the reviews:

Ironically, this book began as a satire of the moon hoax theory. Kaysing was contracted to write an outlandish tome that would make fun of the theory, showing how ridiculous it is. But, the story goes, as he researched his quarry, he became convinced that NASA had indeed defrauded everybody and that the astronauts never got farther from earth than an airplane.

I did not know this. Can anyone confirm it? If so, it seems he met the intended purpose.

Here's a reason to buy the book:

I won't go into Kaysing's "proof" of all this, because there is none. His creativity, however, can be amusing. Kaysing writes that while we thought we were watching moon walkers bound along the moon's surface 250,000 miles from earth, they were actually getting down in Las Vegas girlie bars. His evidence? He has a full-page spread of an exotic dancer. Of course, we don't see any astronauts, but the dancer sure is nice to look at.