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Fraser
2003-Dec-01, 10:28 PM
SUMMARY: According to a report by the Associated Press, the Chinese are planning to put humans on the Moon by 2020. If everything goes as planned, the Chinese will probably launch a probe to orbit the Moon in 2007, and land a spacecraft there in 2010. Since their first launch of a human in October 2003, China has been much more forthcoming about their spaceflight plans. Earlier this month China said that they will probably launch their next Shenzhou flight within two years, potentially carrying two humans into space.

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Larry Cheung
2003-Dec-02, 12:57 AM
God bless China!

tycho1981
2003-Dec-02, 01:06 AM
going for it please! this will become a new spacerace! as the moonrace USA vs Russia 1970! it could boost up further missions too as a manned marsmission etcetera.
it would be nice if ESA do it too, China vs ESA lol.

DippyHippy
2003-Dec-02, 01:11 AM
LOL tycho - you're 10 years out... the space race was ten years earlier...

I think this is fantastic news!! At last, the western space program gets the kick up the rocket boosters it needs!!

MarQ
2003-Dec-02, 01:18 AM
China is going it alone...think about that. If NASA decided to go back , we'd probably take the Russians and an ESA representative along for looks.
Hopefully this WILL kick start our floundering program.

DippyHippy
2003-Dec-02, 01:59 AM
Oh yeah, there's no way China would team up with anyone... but since Apollo, it seems the space program has had a very "been there, done that" feel to it. It's been left to the superb Pioneers, Vikings and Voyagers to do the real exploration.

Cygnus X-1
2003-Dec-02, 04:36 AM
To deny importance of establishing a presence on the moon would sink all past voyage of untamed seas.

Haglund
2003-Dec-02, 10:59 AM
I think that it's fantastic news about China planning to go to the moon, and I hope they will actually do it. It's been said before but I agree, this might start a new spacerace. Also don't forget the rising private market...


Originally posted by MarQ@Dec 2 2003, 01:18 AM
China is going it alone...think about that. If NASA decided to go back , we'd probably take the Russians and an ESA representative along for looks.
Hopefully this WILL kick start our floundering program.

I certainly hope that if ESA joins in it wont be just for "looks"... Then what would be the point? I think both Russa and ESA could contribute to a mission like that.

tycho1981
2003-Dec-02, 02:20 PM
yes, I think NASA don't want to do manned moon mission again but MARS mission! ESA,Russia, NASA already planned (not 100% sure of course) a manned mars mission around 2020. it's 2 flies in one slam! :D
It would be very cool! I was unhappy that I had not seen Apollo mission first landing on Moon live because I was not born yet.
but it's very long way 17 years till 2020 then i am about 40 year old! (indepents of robotic mars mission as mars express, rovers if they discovery anything very imporants will go earlier manned)

Bannon
2003-Dec-05, 05:26 PM
Yes I agree that it's great China is going to try for the moon. It will boost space efforts all around the world. There are now rumors that Pres. Bush will announce within the next two months a new Major US Space initiative (the Moon or Mars)... most likely in response to China.

What is sad is that the US initiatives are always based on a response to a "potential threat" from other nations. The Chinese government is heavily influenced by the Military, and I've already heard rumors about China wanting to use the Moon as a test bed for Nuclear weapons, which is why the US needs to get there first. Even if this is all fiction, why do all our great endeavors seem to always be based on the emotion of "fear".

It would be nice if for once humanity could begin a great endeavor such as reaching the Moon or Mars due to an emotion like curiosity, or for purely scientific reasons.

;)

tycho1981
2003-Dec-05, 10:59 PM
I think the Moon is 10 times more imporant then Mars for human(economy then) because it's Heluim 3 (that earth don't have, only 1 kilo or so, Moon've very much plenty of it on just ground) Heluim3 can be used for Fusion enegry like Nuclear power with urinanium but positive it's more safe cause no danger with radioactivy, and a lot more power then urinanium.

So Helium 3 is future for earth;

Use like a Nuclear power plant but a lot more efficent, 1 spaceshuttle load is enough for 1 year USA electricy.
It'll be very expensive mission ever, but you can make a lot profit/cutoff back.

and ehm I don't like to say it but It can be used for new Fusion weapon (100 times more power then current nuclear weapon?) :S this can mean a new weaponcycle.



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I saw at television of discovery channel that moonground can be used too for cement that is 15 times stronger than earth's concrete.

I don't know what Mars can offer us, just need more research
I cannot wait results of Mars Express of ESA!

ctr
2003-Dec-05, 11:39 PM
Why is Bush thinking about the Moon (been there done that!) when all the SERIOUS planning is for Mars. This is where they shoud go with the ESA & Russians and anybody else who wants in. A truly Planet wide project. It may take longer but please make a start.

p.s. And don"t rob the JPL budget to do it!!

Haglund
2003-Dec-06, 07:56 AM
I think that we should return to the moon first, if nothing else so because it's good practice before we're going to Mars.

DippyHippy
2003-Dec-06, 10:16 PM
The Bush adminstration has denied that there's any plans for a major space announcement...

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0312/0.../04spacepolicy/ (http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0312/04spacepolicy/)

Jack Lass
2003-Dec-07, 06:11 AM
Like father like son.

It would seem that the present President Bush lacks the "vision thing" as did Bush the Elder. :angry:

Guest
2004-Sep-05, 11:19 AM
A japan Writer is unhappy with China going into Space

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cf...=44&ItemID=6154 (http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=44&ItemID=6154)

China's space program highlights

Rise of China

Guest
2004-Sep-05, 11:24 AM
JIUQUAN, China
Rising space power China provided a rare peek into its top-secret launch center



http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll...1/API/409010729 (http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040901/API/409010729)

Guest
2004-Sep-05, 11:28 AM
another news item

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/02/...ain640460.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/02/tech/main640460.shtml)

Remarks on China plan for Moon

http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopi...der=asc&start=0 (http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=12241&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

StarLab
2004-Sep-05, 07:46 PM
Well, if the US, Russia and the ESA all plan to go to Mars, it is likely we may also contribute, however slightly, to a Chinese manned moon mission. But if a spacerace developes, my guess is it's China and ESA vs. Russia and USA.

Parker is very right about moon practice for a Mars mission.

Jack, I think P. Bush has the vision, and he's headstrong, but for the wrong stuff.

I think Tycho brought up an interesting insight in this discussion. Which brings me to the following question: how is going to the moon, what with the new possible Chinese program, different from going to Mars?

bluegirl
2004-Oct-31, 10:46 PM
The last thing the Chinese need to is spend money this way when they have problems on earth to solve. For the record, I feel the same way about the United States. In a poor country, it is so much worse. Men!