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Shaltai
2004-Aug-10, 09:49 AM
Russian Researchers Say Debris of Alien Spaceship found in Siberia (http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/08/10/tunguska.shtml)

Members of a special expedition researching the site of the famous Tunguska meteorite fall have claimed they had discovered parts of an extraterrestrial device.

KeiZka
2004-Aug-10, 12:11 PM
oook, we can only hope that there really was something ;) i'm curious myself about this, after all, Russia is my neighbouring country

damienpaul
2004-Aug-10, 12:44 PM
I am curious also...but I have my debunking hat near...

jitte
2004-Aug-10, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by damienpaul@Aug 10 2004, 12:44 PM
I am curious also...but I have my debunking hat near...
That has a negative connotation to it IMO, like you've already made up your mind it was bunk.

Spacemad
2004-Aug-10, 01:16 PM
If this find does turn out to be the remains of some alien artifact it will change all our conceptions on life in the universe & whether we are alone or not. It will most certainly be very interesting!

I´m going to try & keep an open mind on this :unsure:

Fraser
2004-Aug-10, 01:44 PM
Important, if true.

imported_Ziggy
2004-Aug-10, 02:44 PM
I'd like to poke at it, if it's real.... ;)

om@umr.edu
2004-Aug-10, 03:24 PM
Today's issue of Pravda carries news from a scientific expedition to the site of the "Tunguska Space Phenomenon" or "Tunguska meteorite", a massive explosion that occurred in the Evenkiya republic of Siberia on June 30th 1908.

http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/378...5_tunguska.html (http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/378/13705_tunguska.html)

According to the report, members of the scientific expedition say they have:

1. Uncovered blocks of an extraterrestrial technical device.

2. Delivered a 50-kilogram piece of a stone, called the "deer", to the city of Krasnoyarsk to be studied and analyzed.

The original story in Russian is available at:

http://science.pravda.ru/science/2004/6/79...7_TUNGUSKA.html (http://science.pravda.ru/science/2004/6/79/305/17717_TUNGUSKA.html)

What do you think of this story? Comments?

With kind regards,

Oliver
http://www.umr.edu/~om

Molecular
2004-Aug-10, 03:31 PM
Very interesting story, I'll be utilizing 'Google News Alerts' to stay updated on this. :) Thanks for the post Shaltai. ;)

jitte
2004-Aug-10, 04:04 PM
I had heard of small teardrop shaped pieces of metal being found close to ground zero, but nothing else.

tribune100
2004-Aug-10, 04:50 PM
it's not that I doubt the possibility of there being remains of an alien craft in Russia it's that I doubt the veracity of many NEWS FLASHES that come from first, The Soviet Union and now the Russian Federation. For instance, this episode could be a play for more funding by those involved or a play to get household name recognition so as to use this as some stepping stone to somewhere else. I hope it's true and it very well may be true, but on the surface the definitive claims of the team sounds stretched beyond the existing evidence whatever that might be. Usually an announcement of a find would be normal, but to declare conclusion while still in the field is not a scientific approach to the matter. Peer review has its weaknesses, but I don't think the Russians are much into peer review when it comes to the paranormal or extra-terrestrials. I hope the Russians eventually get their act together and not in a totalitarian fashion.

R.A.F.
2004-Aug-10, 07:20 PM
That's great...now all they have to do is have it independently tested, and if those tests show that the "spacecraft material" can not have been manufactured on Earth...then, we'll have something. Until then, my opinion is the same as damienpaul and Tribune100. :)

eburacum45
2004-Aug-10, 07:23 PM
Unfortunately there are many sensationalist news reports from Russia these days; you can never find any solid evidence to back any of it up.

Try reading the Pravada webpages for a bit of a laugh; pure tabloid journalism.

Lomitus
2004-Aug-10, 10:48 PM
I would hope that it's true, but I too am dubious of this information. Media ethics (Russian or otherwise) aside, the Tunguska site had been looked at -many- times over the years, including a pretty thourough investigation soon after the incident. If this was caused by an object of extra-terrestrial origin, I would think that evidence would have been found to support this long before today. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it seems pretty unlikely. There simply has been no scientific data to support that we have ever been visited (conspiracy theories aside) and while it would be great if this turned out to be the first "hard core" evidence, I'm not going to hold my breath on this one either.

My general opinion is, that while I'm sure there are other highly advanced forms of life in the universe, it's unlikely that we've been visited...or at least visited as frequently as many people believe. Lets face it, we're out in the backwaters of our own galaxy. Even if the galaxy and the universe itself is well populated, theres a very very good chance that no one really even knows we're out here. More over, even if a species advanced enough to achieve intergalactic space travel were aware of our presence, other then occasional visits for research and evaluation, what would be the point of them travelling all the way here? We're still a rather backwards and primative species, comparativly speaking, that still frequently squabbles amounst themselves over trivial (and not so trivial) issues. A species who hasn't even learned how to take care of our own planet yet. At this point in our evolution we don't have much to offer in regards to being part of a galactic community. If their smart enough to travel the stars, their smart enough to know, we're not ready. In addition, I'm certain there must be much more interesting things in the universe to explore then "us"...one of the reasons we keep looking out there ourselves :).

I'd honestly take this one with a grain of salt.

Bright Blessings,
Jim

ASEI
2004-Aug-11, 12:00 AM
Why is it that all these aliens are supposed to be skilled enough to build interstellar spacecraft, but then such poor pilots that they regularly wreck their spacecraft into our planet?

:D

corkft
2004-Aug-11, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by ASEI@Aug 11 2004, 12:00 AM
... such poor pilots that they regularly wreck their spacecraft into our planet?

:D
Long ago the Ancients, based in Atlantis build an invisiblity shield around the Earth, making it an undetectable rock in the middle of an otherwise clear flyway. :lol:

Algenon the mouse
2004-Aug-11, 02:32 AM
I have not seen anything in this report to prove this metal was from a UFO....

I try to take these reports with a grain of salt.

om@umr.edu
2004-Aug-11, 02:53 AM
I agree with the skeptism.

It will be interesting to see if analyses show the stone to be meteoritic.

There was no mention of analyses to see if the "extraterrestrial technical device" is part of a UFO.

It is probably wise to take a grain (or pound) of salt with many reported discoveries these days.

With kind regards,

Oliver
http://www.umr.edu/~om

Bobunf
2004-Aug-11, 03:44 AM
Jim, you said, “what would be the point of them travelling all the way here?”

Your aliens must be absolutely the dullest, most unimaginative and uncurious creatures compared to us. A species of ant garners the most incredible attention from the entomology community and biologists in general—even the mainstream press.

Imagine the excitement, the euphoria, if a niche of unique and undisturbed primitive life were found in some cave complex, in some kind of water environment, on an island or some other iso-lated area. In the 19th century and before, hundreds of expeditions involving hundreds of thou-sands of people scoured the world looking for strange new life; like finches with different sized beaks.

We even spend money, time, and talent investigating long extinct plants, insects, reptiles, birds and other primitive life; and we have been doing so for centuries.

Doesn’t it seem likely that some of these aliens will at least approach us in imagination, creativity and curiosity?

What about a moral or compassionate sense, or are these aliens all lacking in what we would ad-mire as altruism. They could easily turn us on to the cures for cancer, addition, and schizophre-nia. When we encounter primitive peoples, at least some of us, try to explain the importance of clean drinking water, and show them how to get it.

If they’re turned off by our immaturity, how about a little help n that department? What are bet-ter ways to resolve, or avoid, disputes? How about a little help finding solutions to some of the environmental issues? Or do they all just say, “Sink or swim.”

Aren’t any of the aliens concerned at all about all the species on our planet that are going extinct? Don’t the aliens harbor any greenies?

Aren’t any of them into primitive art, philosophy, technology, mating rituals, and other things? Millions of humans work on this stuff all the time with great enthusiasm.

All in all the idea that we, and all other living and non-living things on Earth, hold nothing of in-terest to any group of any alien species seems like an awful stretch. But, if they’re that dull, I’m not sure they’re ready for us. And we probably couldn’t stay awake around them.

Bob

Bobunf
2004-Aug-11, 03:55 AM
It's seems rather peculiar to me that, for the discovery of a century, no one has picked up on this; not CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox, the New York Times the Wall Street Journal, nor any govern-ment spokesman in Russia, the US, or anywhere else.

It's been two days now; and the mainstream media isn't well noted for caution; the Russian gov-ernment is not gloating. What gives that nobody talks? If it's real.

Bob

Josh
2004-Aug-11, 07:03 AM
I've merged these two threads (started by Shaltai and then Oliver).

damienpaul
2004-Aug-11, 09:44 AM
Bob, i agree, that is precisely why I have had my debunking hat nearby...

big steve
2004-Aug-11, 11:16 AM
I think we should all bow down and worship at the altar of russian media.
Sorry if I seem cynical but we all are affected by the media and we need to keep an open mind,we cannot read as gospel any theories that are made on the spur of the moment in the field.
Let the scientists decide if it was really a meteorite or a spaceship and then show the world the evidence,then we can each make our own decision based on that evidence,keep an open mind though, we may not be alone!!!!! :unsure:

om@umr.edu
2004-Aug-12, 03:55 PM
The Cambridge Conference Forum today reported that several other news organizations have picked up the story about the "Tunguska UFO":

1. RUSSIAN CLAIM DISCOVERY OF ET SPACESHIP WRECK

Xinhuanet News Agency, 12 August 2004
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-08/...ent_1766126.htm (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-08/12/content_1766126.htm)

2. DID ALIENS SAVE PLANET IN 1908? RUSSIANS SAY THEY HAVE FOUND SPACESHIP DEBRIS

WorldNetDaily.com, 12 August 2004
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39929

3. ALIEN 'DISCOVERY' EXCITES RUSSIAN SCIENTISTS

Australian Broadcasting Corporation, 12 August 2004
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/20040...08/s1174826.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200408/s1174826.htm)

4. RESEARCHERS SAY TUNGUSKA EVENT WAS AN UFO CRASH: DEBRIS OF ALIEN SPACESHIP FOUND

PhysOrg.com, 10 August 2004
http://www.physorg.com/news766.html

5. RUSSIAN SCIENTISTS CLAIM DISCOVERY OF ALIEN SPACESHIP WRECK IN SIBERIA

Turkish Press, 11 August 2004
http://www.turkishpress.com/turkishpress/n...ws.asp?ID=24328 (http://www.turkishpress.com/turkishpress/news.asp?ID=24328)

6. RUSSIA REPORTS FINDING ALIEN 'WRECKAGE'

The Washington Times, 11 August 2004
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/2004...10357-9645r.htm (http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20040811-010357-9645r.htm)

One report notes that this "discovery" seems to occur annually. Many other reports are skeptical. However, the Tunguska event is not well understood and interest in this latest report seems to be increasing.

With kind regards,

Oliver
http://www.umr.edu/~om

ASEI
2004-Aug-12, 05:57 PM
You know, some asteroids are made of metal. Finding teardrop shaped metal in Sibera could mean any number of things besides an alien spaceship. :D

"Hey Bolodenka, those idiot scientists stumbled onto our smuggling operation!" Bang bang bang. "Oh great, now we need a cover story. :unsure: Let's try to make these stolen nukes out to be alien spacecraft components! ;) "

Algenon the mouse
2004-Aug-12, 06:33 PM
I agree with Bobunf. CNN would have at least picked this up. Does anyone remember that the first UFO space ship siting turned out to be a cloud formation on Mt. Rainer? Several of the news stations picked that one up.

Fraser
2004-Aug-13, 12:02 AM
I, for one, welcome our alien overlords.

om@umr.edu
2004-Aug-13, 12:07 AM
Regretfully, I agree with Fraser.

But I don't think we can count on aliens to rescue us.

Oliver

jitte
2004-Aug-13, 12:58 AM
Originally posted by ASEI@Aug 12 2004, 05:57 PM
You know, some asteroids are made of metal. Finding teardrop shaped metal in Sibera could mean any number of things besides an alien spaceship.

"Hey Bolodenka, those idiot scientists stumbled onto our smuggling operation!" Bang bang bang. "Oh great, now we need a cover story. Let's try to make these stolen nukes out to be alien spacecraft components!
Did I say anything about the pieces of teardrop shaped metal having anything to do with alien spaceships?

Yes, I know some asteroids are made of metal, and that some are not:

"Color and radar reflectivity of 1998 KY26 showed similarities to carbonaceous chondrites, primordial meteorites which formed during the origin of the solar system, and unlike any rocks formed on Earth. They contain complex organic compounds as well as 10 percent to 20 percent water. Some carbonaceous chondrites contain amino acids and nucleic acids, which are the building blocks of proteins and DNA, and hence, are of interest to scientists trying to unravel the origins of life."

You can read about it at my site, if you're interested.

http://www.uberkomplex.com/organic.html

astromark
2004-Aug-13, 01:14 AM
:unsure: Lets wait and see what this lump of metalic rock is a..? It could be a fragment of the metior, or not.. As a skeptical sort of fellow, I would sagest they have found a rock. simular to the ones in my head.
The 20 megatonn explosion near the Tunguska river in siberia in 1908 was obviously somthing entering the earths atmosphere at speed. BANG....all gone in a cloud of dust and smoke. Particals of the object will have fallen to earth over a large area., [ remember the chalanger ] about the sise of texas.
Was it a alian apace ship? No.
Was it a comet ? might have been.
Could it have been a larger metiorite ? I dont think so. as many man hours (years) have been spent looking for it. No
Is this just an effort to procure more funding.... probebly.
When NASA finds living microbs on Mars. Which im confident they will. Then watch the loopies come out...lol. :rolleyes:

jitte
2004-Aug-13, 01:20 AM
Originally posted by astromark@Aug 13 2004, 01:14 AM
When NASA finds living microbs on Mars. Which im confident they will. Then watch the loopies come out...lol. :rolleyes:
Well, does finding amino and nucleic acids on an asteroid count?

Is it really necsssary to tear someone else down just to build yourself up?

Tom2Mars
2004-Aug-13, 03:32 AM
Bobunf, re-
All in all the idea that we, and all other living and non-living things on Earth, hold nothing of in-terest to any group of any alien species seems like an awful stretch. But, if they’re that dull, I’m not sure they’re ready for us. And we probably couldn’t stay awake around them.


What an excellent posting! The whole thing, really. :)

And Asei, re-
Finding teardrop shaped metal in Sibera could mean any number of things besides an alien spaceship.

"Hey Bolodenka, those idiot scientists stumbled onto our smuggling operation!" Bang bang bang. "Oh great, now we need a cover story. Let's try to make these stolen nukes out to be alien spacecraft components! "


Funny! :D And, most likely to be the truth.

om@umr.edu
2004-Aug-13, 03:23 PM
There is a highly skeptical news story on this issue by Robert Roy Britt,

"Russian Alien Spaceship Claims Raise Eyebrows, Skepticism"
Space.com, 12 August 2004
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/tung...ent_040812.html (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/tunguska_event_040812.html)

With kind regards,

Oliver

Algenon the mouse
2004-Aug-13, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by fraser@Aug 13 2004, 12:02 AM
I, for one, welcome our alien overlords.
But I thought you and a couple of other people were our alien overlords...I have been led astray by utter missinformation.



Bet ya ten to one that it just proves to be a regular meteor rock.

om@umr.edu
2004-Aug-13, 07:35 PM
Originally posted by astromark@Aug 13 2004, 01:14 AM
Could it have been a larger meteorite? I don't think so, as many man hours (years) have been spent looking for it. No

Is this just an effort to procure more funding.... probably.

Failure to find an object may be related to the terrain.

From many years ago I recall a report about this being in a permafrost area, where the subsoil is permanently frozen.

The idea expressed was that anything that fell would sink into the mire and might never be recovered. A search for gravity anomalies was suggested as one way of finding the hidden object.

Has anyone else heard of this being a permafrost area?

With kind regards,

Oliver
http://www.umr.edu/~om

Chook
2004-Aug-13, 08:01 PM
Wouldn't an analysis of the type of metal found provide the first clue as to whether the object was a meteorite or not; i.e. to have been purposefully-made?

A "spaceship's" hull would have been probably made of a similar substance to our own (like titanium?), rather than a softer element.

Simplistic?

WendellG
2004-Aug-13, 08:14 PM
Yea, I read the other day in the "Enquirer" that some Alabama duck hunters accidentally shot down an angel. They had a pic of her lying face down in a pond. Also, since they are so good at finding things do you suppoe that they can find my Grandmothers keys to her 1974 Chevy Impala?

Wendell

om@umr.edu
2004-Aug-13, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by Chook@Aug 13 2004, 08:01 PM
Wouldn't an analysis of the type of metal found provide the first clue as to whether the object was a meteorite or not; i.e. to have been purposefully-made?

A "spaceship's" hull would have been probably made of a similar substance to our own (like titanium?), rather than a softer element.

Simplistic?
I agree, Chook.

According to Pravda [1], two objects were found:

1. A stone, called the "deer".

2. An extraterrestrial technical device.

The first object was sent to the city of Krasnoyarsk for analysis. The story does not report what was done with the second object.

If analysis show that the first object is a meteorite (there are several relatively quick tests), that still will not tell us anything about the second object.

Structural features, as well as chemical composition, of the second object would indicate if it were part of a "spaceship".

With kind regards,

Oliver
http://www.umr.edu/~om

Reference [1]

http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/378...5_tunguska.html (http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/378/13705_tunguska.html)

MarQ
2004-Aug-14, 01:04 AM
I'd like to see some good satellite photos of the Tunguska area. And a major international expedition of experts to take all the modern stuff they can airlift into the area and spend some serious time scouting the area. Everytime someone goes into this remote area, they find something new. How about a Russian Yeti, or maybe even the winter home of Elvis? Seriously, don't we all just wish that this UFO stuff was true. Someone quoted Sagan. Here's another famous Sagan quote: "Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof."

cate
2004-Aug-14, 02:15 AM
We don't actually know how many alien spacecraft exist, if they do, and the few that have crashed may be minute in number compared to the ones flying around - if that's true. And I hope it is. :)

Kneeknocker
2004-Aug-14, 10:47 PM
A few minutes later, there was a flash that lit up half of the sky, followed by a shock wave that knocked people off their feet and broke windows up to 400 miles away.


The size of the blast was later estimated to be between 10 and 15 megatons.

This might not have been a "small" ship, maybe a mothership (dont laugh) for something "if it was alien" to cause this damage over this wide area then it had to be big, or very powerful.

Unless the us gov were testing something secret ?

Maybe the russian gov should use the clearing for a new site for macdonalds <_<
They get everywhere

JESMKS
2004-Aug-15, 02:18 AM
I don&#39;t believe there was an impact. The object blew up at a high altitude (from visual reports)and the surficial damage came from the blast effect of the explosion. I think it was a steam explosion of a comet like meteor, where friction produced enough heat to superheat the water and ice to create the explosion prior to impact. Just my opinion
Jack

damienpaul
2004-Aug-15, 02:25 AM
or the cuppacino maker on the alien craft went into overload...

nah, the evidence does suggest what you suggested JESMKS

Tom2Mars
2004-Aug-15, 03:05 AM
om@umr.edu, re-
Has anyone else heard of this being a permafrost area?

Yes, very permafrosty&#33; I read some articles and saw a documentary about a couple of expeditions there in the summer months. Lots of muck at the surface to slough through, pumps were required...TONS of mosquitos. I don&#39;t think they found anything.

And damienpaul, re-
or the cuppacino maker on the alien craft went into overload...


Exactly&#33; These are critical components of flying vessels. Why else would the Air Force spend &#036;20,000 on coffeemakers for the B-52&#39;s? They want the best, so that nothing will go wrong. :P

mikelyons
2004-Aug-15, 11:40 PM
B) It was hard to read the article without my "bulldust alarm" going off. I would like to think we have some useful evidence, but a few photos might have helped. Would you go on an expedition like that without a camera? Also, the calculation giving the Tunguska meteorite a mass of 1,000,000,000+ tons seems to be new. I heard a figure of about 1/4 ton from another source - even allowing for experimental error..................... &#33; My alarm went off the scale when they explained that the aliens didn&#39;t stack their ship, but used their powers to blow up the meteor and save Earth. Very nice of them, but I will reserve my thanks until we get some more conclusive evidence.

mike

jitte
2004-Aug-16, 01:08 AM
Originally posted by mikelyons@Aug 15 2004, 11:40 PM
It was hard to read the article without my "bulldust alarm" going off.* I would like to think we have some useful evidence, but a few photos might have helped.* Would you go on an expedition like that without a camera?
There have been other expeditions to the site. Several photos were taken and tests were done. None of them mentioned anything about parts from alien spaceships being found though.

Previous Tunguska Expeditions (http://www-th.bo.infn.it/tunguska/)

Michael_FJS
2004-Aug-16, 08:21 AM
Originally posted by ASEI@Aug 11 2004, 12:00 AM
Why is it that all these aliens are supposed to be skilled enough to build interstellar spacecraft, but then such poor pilots that they regularly wreck their spacecraft into our planet?

:D
Because once the aliens see us, they realized that they just wasted their entire life traveling through empty space just to see a bunch of morons, prancing around on a tiny insignificant planet in the middle of nowhere, so the aliens give us on life and crash themselves into the ground, hopeing to take some of us out on the way down.

damienpaul
2004-Aug-16, 08:49 AM
but they left Extrasense behind...sory i could not resist&#33;

Dave Mitsky
2004-Aug-19, 03:14 PM
Stories like this one bring a famous saying by Phineas Taylor Barnum to mind.

Dave Mitsky

blueshift
2004-Aug-19, 08:27 PM
I would think that an advanced technology woulld have figured out well ahead of time that we were in peril and would have taken the intruder out long before it hit us..If Shoemaker and Levy could have predicted the impact of a comet on Jupiter
as far in advance as they did, then a civilization able to span stars should find it even easier..

I spent six years in our military and have worked with people who were in the Red Army..We exchange stories a lot about the skuttling of military equipment from
other branches of the service and then ditching the eividence...in very convenient
spots..

Entire jets have been taken and repainted..Other equipment gets "loaned" to other branches in order to convince state department officials that there are shortages
that need replenishing...

Evidence must be ditched....

The penalty for getting caught is quite severe..

Now ask yourselves, since 1908, how did the Red Army manage to miss it?
Perhaps they don&#39;t pay attention to metal devices....especially ones in the ground.
My friend insists that geiger counters are constantly combing areas...

It sounds like something got ditched and a mask of deception pointed a finger in another area..

blueshift

Algenon the mouse
2004-Aug-19, 10:46 PM
Originally posted by damienpaul@Aug 16 2004, 08:49 AM
but they left Extrasense behind...sory i could not resist&#33;
But then they could phone home&#33;


Anyone hear any more on the meteor? (sorry, until it is proven otherwise, that is what I am going to say it is).

TheThorn
2004-Aug-20, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by Algenon the mouse@Aug 19 2004, 10:46 PM
Anyone hear any more on the meteor? (sorry, until it is proven otherwise, that is what I am going to say it is).
I predict that this one will fall right off the map. The press is good at reporting these extraordinary claims, but is not so good at following up when they turn out to be fake, and this one is certainly fake.

When you find people revisiting a site that has been investigated numerous times, for the expressed opurpose of finding UFO evidence, and then in a matter of a couple of days, they claim that they actually have found the evidence that everyone else has missed for a century, and the evidence is not just of a UFO visit, but of an alien race saving mankind - well, if your ** detector doesn&#39;t go into overload, then you should stop listening to Art Bell so much.

corkft
2004-Aug-21, 01:09 AM
OK, people. Here is the truth of the matter.

The "alien vessel" fragment in question is nothing but a piece of the future. A "time machine" was sent back to destroy the incoming meteor; it, inturn, was destroyed in the process. A second machine was sent back to clean up the mess, and could not bring back all of the parts, previously scattered about, having gotten there nanoseconds after the fact .

So, like it or not, we are the seed of the universe. We are the first. The aliens are us. We are the start of the "Galactic Federation". It all starts with YOU... Make the best of it, you are the beginning of the future. :wacko:

JESMKS
2004-Aug-21, 04:39 PM
For those interested in the Tunguska Event, I posted a responce (Page 9, Alternate Theories-Alternate methods for the origin of craters, March 20 2004) that describes my "Half Baked Theory" for it&#39;s origin.
Jack

om@umr.edu
2004-Aug-27, 02:51 PM
Look&#39;s like we&#39;re still waiting for news from the Tunguska Expedition.

Hopefully this issue will be re-visited when other news events have quieted.

With kind regards,

Oliver
http://www.umr.edu/~om

TheThorn
2004-Oct-01, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by TheThorn@Aug 20 2004, 05:40 PM
I predict that this one will fall right off the map. The press is good at reporting these extraordinary claims, but is not so good at following up when they turn out to be fake, and this one is certainly fake.

Almost two months since they made the most important discovery in the history of mankind, and.......

Nothing.

:D

om@umr.edu
2004-Oct-01, 05:50 PM
I agree&#33;

Oliver
http://www.umr.edu/~om

isferno
2004-Oct-01, 10:24 PM
I&#39;ve been neglecting this forum for to long, missing this story :(

Hey guys, can&#39;t we just say that men will break the speed of light and
some space-testpilot will end up saying: "hit the breaks, hit the breaks".