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Senor Molinero
2002-Dec-23, 11:06 PM
Has anyone seen this site before? I'd thought the loons had attacked the subject from every angle but this one takes the cake.
Now it's Masons on the moon.
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/masonapollo.html

Jigsaw
2002-Dec-24, 12:26 AM
Okay, for starters, this is wrong.

The most transparent was the faked explosion on the spacecraft Apollo 13, named "Aquarius" (new age) at 1:13 (1313 military time) on April 13, 1970 The "1:13" time was the launch time, when it lifted off from Cape Kennedy, not the explosion time, which was at about 9 p.m. April 13.

http://history.msfc.nasa.gov/special/apollo13.html

Apollo 13 was launched at 1:13 p.m. CST April 11 at Cape Kennedy -- a perfect launch under slightly cloudy skies.

<snip >

But about 9 p.m. that evening --Monday evening -- trouble developed. There was a thump in the service module behind the astronauts. An oxygen tank had ruptured. Pressure dropped alarmingly.

"Thirteen minutes after the explosion, I happened to look out of the left-hand window, and saw the final evidence pointing toward potential catastrophe," Lovell later recalled. The exact chronology.

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/ap13chrono.html

Other than that little numerology fillip (which is widely posted elsewhere on the Web, BTW), it's just a typical HB website. "Van Allen radiation, heat of the full sun, yadda yadda yadda..."

This is also apparently wrong, unless they're leaving it out of their official NASA biographies.

All of the first astronauts were Freemasons.
http://mix.msfc.nasa.gov/ABSTRACTS/MSFC-6413212.html

Walter M. “Wally” Schirra, Donald K. “Deke” Slayton, John H. Glenn, Jr., and Scott Carpenter. Left to right at rear: Alan B. Shepard, Virgil I. “Gus” Grissom, and L. Gordon Cooper, Jr." Wally Schirra is a Mason.
http://history.nasa.gov/40thmerc7/schirra.htm

Gordon Cooper is a Mason.
http://history.nasa.gov/40thmerc7/cooper.htm

John Glenn is a Mason.
http://history.nasa.gov/40thmerc7/glenn.htm

Deke Slayton is not.
http://history.nasa.gov/40thmerc7/carpenter.htm

Scott Carpenter is not.
http://history.nasa.gov/40thmerc7/carpenter.htm

Alan Shepard is not.
http://history.nasa.gov/40thmerc7/shepard.htm

Gus Grissom is not.
http://history.nasa.gov/40thmerc7/grissom.htm

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Rodina
2002-Dec-24, 03:52 AM
My grandfather was a Mason, and he never went to the Moon - or if he did, he didn't tell me about it.

Maybe I should have joined DeMolay and not the Boy Scouts after all... I'd have much prefered a merit badge in spacesuit repair, seleonology or astrogation.

cable
2002-Dec-24, 08:27 AM
My grandfather was a Mason, and he never went to the Moon - or if he did, he didn't tell me about it.

at Masonry, secrecy is paramount. that's why he didn't tell u about it. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif

Thumper
2002-Dec-24, 12:20 PM
On 2002-12-23 19:26, Jigsaw wrote:
Okay, for starters, this is wrong.
[quote]The most transparent was the faked explosion on the spacecraft Apollo 13, named "Aquarius" (new age) at 1:13 (1313 military time) on April 13, 1970

Aquarius was the the name of the Lunar Module. The explosion occurred in the service module of Odyssey. Had it not been for Aquarius, a well functioning LM, the astronauts most likely would not have survived.

irony
2002-Dec-24, 03:17 PM
On 2002-12-24 07:20, Thumper wrote:
Aquarius was the the name of the Lunar Module. The explosion occurred in the service module of Odyssey. Had it not been for Aquarius, a well functioning LM, the astronauts most likely would not have survived.


There you go, then! They were saved by the new age... just like all those cults claim the whole world will be when the aliens arrive!

- Irony, who has probably yet to write even one useful, informative post.

2002-Dec-24, 04:05 PM
<a name="2-12-24.nar"> page= 2-12-24.nar aka Narration

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I would like more Narration examples to look at though? Any English Majors in the Gr..?

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Thumper
2002-Dec-24, 05:31 PM
On 2002-12-24 10:17, irony wrote:
- Irony, who has probably yet to write even one useful, informative post.


I like your posts, Irony. Heck they're at least as good as mine, uhh, that's not saying much. Um sorry.

AstroMike
2002-Dec-25, 03:57 AM
On 2002-12-23 18:06, Senor Molinero wrote:
Has anyone seen this site before?

http://www.badastronomy.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=458&forum=3&22

The Rusty Lander
2003-Jan-01, 09:53 AM
As regards to not all astronauts being freemasons, aren't freemasons sometimes undercover, that is, they are not open about it, they are secret fremasons. Hmmmm....since some have denied being freemasons, then that proves it - they must be! There's a proof of conspiracy if I ever saw one! /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

Thinks: Maybe Jay Utah is secretly a freemason...ooops! Did I post that out loud? /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif

JayUtah
2003-Jan-01, 03:28 PM
Thinks: Maybe Jay Utah is secretly a freemason...ooops! Did I post that out loud? /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif

I am not a Mason. And if you do a web search on my name you'll probably find things I wrote long ago concerning the Mormon church and its alleged connection with Freemasonry, which will quite effectively bar me from any lodge in Utah. There is bad blood between the Masons and the Mormons.

As for the topic in general, since the Masons are secretive it is easy to speculate on connections between them and Apollo or any other conspiracy theory you might want to fabricate. Other historians don't seem to have a problem documenting to public satisfaction Freemasonry's involvement in various affairs. Why do Apollo conspiracy theorists seem unable to go beyond mere unsubstantiated speculation?

ToSeek
2003-Jan-01, 07:48 PM
On 2003-01-01 10:28, JayUtah wrote:
Why do Apollo conspiracy theorists seem unable to go beyond mere unsubstantiated speculation?


Well, duh! It's obvious to any conspiracist that all the evidence they could have used has been suppressed. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

Rodina
2003-Jan-01, 08:14 PM
On 2003-01-01 10:28, JayUtah wrote:

I am not a Mason. And if you do a web search on my name you'll probably find things I wrote long ago concerning the Mormon church and its alleged connection with Freemasonry, which will quite effectively bar me from any lodge in Utah. There is bad blood between the Masons and the Mormons.


Be careful, JayUtah, I'd hate for a Mason to sneak up on you and give you a Shiner.


...thank you ladies and gentlemen, I'll be here all week.

JayUtah
2003-Jan-02, 12:48 AM
I get along quite well with non-Utah Masons. In fact, noted Mason Peter Trei and I had a long discussion on the alleged connections between Freemasonry and Mormonism. I bear neither group any malice, but the lingering sensitivities are acutely felt by Utah Masons. I live only about two or three blocks from the Salt Lake City lodge. It's on the same street as the Utah governor's mansion. How about that for a conspiracy?

Rodina
2003-Jan-02, 02:46 AM
That pun wasn't even worth a groan there, Jay?

jrkeller
2003-Jan-08, 03:00 AM
I sent this Mason story to my dad who worked on the space and is a Mason. His response was "Got your email on those weird people who think they know the space program is a hoax. There are always some like them no matter what era you live"

The Rusty Lander
2003-Jan-10, 01:31 AM
On 2003-01-01 10:28, JayUtah wrote:
I am not a Mason.

Aha! Exactly what I'd expect a scret mason to say. That proves that you are one!

Reminds me a bit of that quote from a certain ex-president: "No, I did not have intimate relations with that woman".


And if you do a web search on my name you'll probably find things I wrote long ago concerning the Mormon church and its alleged connection with Freemasonry, which will quite effectively bar me from any lodge in Utah. There is bad blood between the Masons and the Mormons.


Aha (again)! The perfect cover story! Pretend to be against the masons by writing anti-freemason material. Who could then suspect eh? But you're not clever enough to fool me Jay. /phpBB/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif

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Andrew
2003-Jan-10, 02:58 PM
"...you're not clever enough to fool me Jay.

But you're more than smart enough to fool youself though, eh?

Wingnut Ninja
2003-Jan-12, 02:07 PM
To make interstellar travel believable NASA was created.

This just stuck out to me. Apparently the moon is now a star.

AstroMike
2003-Apr-05, 07:56 PM
I found this nonsense, who also an advocate of Sitchin.

http://www.tlwinslow.com/apollo.html

Wingnut Ninja
2003-Apr-05, 08:52 PM
I found this nonsense, who also an advocate of Sitchin.

http://www.tlwinslow.com/apollo.html

OJ is a shapeshifting reptile?

Well gee, that explains so much.

Papa Bear
2003-Apr-06, 12:36 AM
I found this nonsense, who also an advocate of Sitchin.

http://www.tlwinslow.com/apollo.html

OJ is a shapeshifting reptile?

Well gee, that explains so much.

Also, he's been lobotomized. I suspected as much.

Papa Bear
2003-Apr-06, 12:42 AM
Senor,

muchas gracias for that knee-slapper of a post. :lol:

Makes you wonder of the guy actually bothered to read what he wrote. And did you happen to read the link that gave more info on the freemasons in general? This Cooper guy says that Art Bell is a number one proponent of the one world govt takeover by FMs and that Star Trek and all its spinoffs are designed to indoctrinate the "sheople" into acceptance of the impending "takeover"!!!!! :lol:

gethen
2003-Apr-06, 01:39 AM
O.K., so far we have a link between NASA, the Freemasons, Mormons, and the Antichrist. Talk about your catch-all conspiracies! I like it! It could cover every conspiracy from the moon landings to the Kennedy assassination to the cost of gasoline! Perfect.

Eta C
2003-Apr-06, 06:58 PM
One thing to remember on Apollo 13, its liftoff was 1313 central time, that is the time in Houston. At the Cape, where it's eastern time the liftoff was at 1413. If you want to get excessive, any liftoff time would have been in the 1300 hour somewhere in the world.

A great book on the excesses on conspiracy theories is the novel "Foucoult's Pendulum" by Umberto Eco. In it three book editors start to link together various conspiracies related to Masons, Templars, world government, alchemy, you name it. They start it as a lark to prove that they can write a better conspiracy than the conspiracists. The problem comes when the conspiracists start to believe them. An interesting read.

(edited to add signature.)

JayUtah
2003-Apr-06, 08:30 PM
If you want to get excessive, any liftoff time would have been in the 1300 hour somewhere in the world.

Hence the inherently uselessness of numerology. Given any two numbers and the requirement to include as much putatively irrelevant "effects" as imagine supplies, I can construct a perfectly solid numerological argument. When you can put essentially garbage into an analytical method and get "good" results, that doesn't say much for the analysis. Analysis is supposed to distinguish good information from crud. If everything results in a "win", it's not a good method. It's like the movie critic who likes every movie he sees. After a while you realize his reviews aren't helpful.

The problem comes when the conspiracists start to believe them. An interesting read.

Yes, it is. Eco is a fantastic author.

I occasionally run into problems employing reductio ad absurdum with conspiracy theorists. See, that method of refutation is based on the assumption that the opponent will recognize that the logically dictated result of his line of reasoning is absurd. But consider that these people already believe a whole bucket full of absurd things. When you point out some new absurdity, they say, "Hey, you're right! A new conspiracy!"