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Glom
2005-Sep-28, 09:29 PM
It looks cool, but it is really impressive enough to be the Great Lost City of the Ancients? It's basically a platform with loads of spacey looking monoliths on it. Otherwise, it's rather conventional apart form its ability to fly to another galaxy.

I would have preferred to see a slightly different concept for a city, perhaps a Mega-City Pyramid, which has the buildings suspended in a giant open pyramidal truss structure. Such an idea is being explored for Tokyo along with the kilometre high Sky City tower. I'm thinking that there would monoliths and weirder shaped buildings suspended inside truss, which would give a Jetsons feel. There would also be large terraces, containing open space and smaller buildings. A weave of interconnecting pathways and elevator platforms would link everything, which would give a real spacey Hareway to the Stars look to it. The pyramid would probably around 30,000ft tall (taller than Mt. Everest) but would maintain a breathable atmosphere within the boundaries of the truss structure. That would create a city that has the appropriate magnificence to fit the reputation Atlantis has.

eburacum, ever considered such an idea somewhere in OA?

Avatar28
2005-Sep-28, 11:16 PM
Well the thing DOES have to be able to move. And the pyramid thing was already done by the goa'uld so why go there with the Altarans? Honestly, I think it's pretty impressive myself. You really don't get much of a sense of scale fromt he long distance shots but it's probably a few miles across and the towers are several thousand feet high. I can't find the reference right now I'm afraid, but people have done the scaling and concluded that the central tower is probably at least a kilometer or more in height and the entire city a few km across. That qualifies as a pretty impressively sized starship to me.

Gryfin210
2005-Sep-29, 06:40 PM
It looks cool, but it is really impressive enough to be the Great Lost City of the Ancients? It's basically a platform with loads of spacey looking monoliths on it. Otherwise, it's rather conventional apart form its ability to fly to another galaxy.

Maybe the Ancients/Alterrans got good at folding space, and the city is really way bigger than it looks, but its really got huge annexes that fit within a millimeter or two of the cities' walls? I think the real pride of Atlantis isn't its size or glamour, but its practicality & technology.

Bilateralrope
2005-Sep-29, 07:36 PM
And why should it have elevators ?

It already has an internal teleporter system, and stairs for when that doesn't work

Gemini
2005-Sep-29, 09:04 PM
I would like and apartment there, once they get rid of the wraith

Avatar28
2005-Sep-29, 10:57 PM
I would like and apartment there, once they get rid of the wraith

If we REALLY wanna get rid of the wraith, we just need to invite the Asgard to come in with a few of their O'Neill class ships. I was reading Stargate Tech (http://www.stargate-tech.net) earlier and I think he said it best. In his writeup on the Daedalus class ships there was a note about how the Asgard reactor in the ship doesn't seem to be able to power all of the Asgard systems to their full potential.

This is interesting because Daedalus other Asgard systems were also compromised by the removal of the ZPM from her power grid. Specifically her shields. Hermiod explicitly warned "...that our shield strength will be severely diminished without the Zero Point Module tied into our power systems". This is even more impressive when you consider that:

A. Said shields stood up to 12 hiveships and a probable escort of around 48 Cruisers bombarding her for several minutes. And were all but immune to the attacks of one Hiveship and a half dozen Cruisers.

B.The ships shields are, if the Hyperdrive (and size of the Daedalus) is any indication, nowhere near as powerful as those on line Asgard warships.

In short, God help the Wraith if the Asgard send a small group of O'Neill class warships to "sanitize" the Pegasus Galaxy. It raises questions about the Ancients ability to loose the war to the Wraith. Either they had so few warships that the 'great battle' Old Weird talked about in "Before I Sleep" was the only battle with their warships (and they simply got swamped by superior numbers), or, current Asgard military technology is superior to the Ancients best efforts. Which is a quite possible side effect of having to continually advance to hold off the Legobugs...

Mind you this is a position I've supported for awhile, that the Asgard are way more powerful than the wraith and, at least in some areas, more powerful/advanced than the Ancients (specifically, in hyperdrive, teleporters, and military technology and possibly on a par or even more advanced in power generation, after all, even with the ZPM the Daedalus was hundreds of times slower than an Asgard ship).

Bilateralrope
2005-Sep-30, 10:34 AM
Although I will never do any calculations about it (partly because I don't know how, partly because I dont really care), I wouldn't be suprised if Go'uld ships were more powerful than Wraith ships.

Remember, the Ancients were defeated simply because the Wraith outnumbered them by a huge ammount, so they just kept comming.

publiusr
2005-Sep-30, 06:44 PM
I have a great love for the concept of city-ships.

The best are the CITY SHIPS OF ALPHA from the old "Terran Trade Authority" books.They are books of sci-fi cover art with a fake history attached. Do a search for Terran Trade Authority and see what you get.

Avatar28
2005-Oct-03, 11:10 PM
Although I will never do any calculations about it (partly because I don't know how, partly because I dont really care), I wouldn't be suprised if Go'uld ships were more powerful than Wraith ships.

Remember, the Ancients were defeated simply because the Wraith outnumbered them by a huge ammount, so they just kept comming.

I'm not sure about Goa'uld ships as a whole, but certainly some of them. It's really hard to say for certain. Probably I would put them roughly on a par with them overall.

On the one hand the recorded hologram seemed to indicate that the wraith were comparably advanced to the ancients but on the other hand we haven't really seen much in the way of highly advanced technology from them. They seemingly have no shield technology (the wraith-created shield in The Defiant One not withstanding), primitive transporters, no really good power sources (hence the reason why they have to keep dropping out of hyperspace every so many lightyears), likely a primitive hyperdrive.

And they're really probably not much good at warfare. Certainly going up against humans, they're completely outclassed in that dept (I'm talking more tactics here than anything). I mean, they've had, what, one major war with the ancients that lasted about 100 years. They've basically slept most of the last 10,000 years only awakening to cull much less powerful races for food, so no real challenge there. Anyone care to figure out how much experience humans have at warfare? Several thousand years of near continous fighting to perfect it. And, heck, the goa'uld have been fighting among themselves and should have even more experience than we do and they STILL find themselves being totally pwned. :D

Bilateralrope
2005-Oct-04, 08:48 PM
From what I gatherd the wraith tatic is usually swarming their enemy, and when you can, send more troops/ships/weapons. If you don't mind heavy casualties on your side this is a quite effictive tatic if you greatly outnumber your opponent

Avatar28
2005-Oct-05, 12:02 AM
To a degree, I think that's probably true. Personally, I'd still like to see the asgard send in even just a couple of O'Neill class starships to Atlantis and have the wraith try to attack it (hey, what can I say. I'm a sucker for seeing the bad guys get slaughtered *snicker*).

Now all this stargate talk is making me want to go home and watch the last three eps of Atlantis that I missed.

Gryfin210
2005-Oct-25, 06:04 PM
Great, except that I believe that the Asgard are still fighting the replecators in their own Galaxy (did they ever mention which one? Andromeda, maybe?), so I don't know how the little grey guys would logisticly pull that one off. Also, the Wraith may have grown stagnant after chasing off the Alterrans, and with their dominance over the indigenous people, they didn't have much technological competitors, spare maybe the Genii or until recently the planet with the prison colony.

It's still pretty cool/weird/funny seeing Makay in a heated arguement with an Asgard.

soylentgreen
2005-Oct-25, 10:27 PM
And why should it have elevators ?


OSHA may have had something to do with that. ;)


Seriously, though...Does anyone else remember the old Atari 2600 games "Atlantis" and "Cosmic Ark" from Imagic.

"Atlantis" was basically Missle Command in that with the boroughs of your underwater city on several different sea mounts, you had to defend them from incoming meteorites and varied extra-terrestrial assailants. When you eventually blew it and lost all your domed districts, a little saucery ship took off and flew off screen.

Later Imagic released "Cosmic Ark" where, lo and behold, you piloted the little saucery ship on different worlds trying to abscond with their various indigenous lifeforms(assumedly to repopulate a new Atlantis)while fighting off...wait for it!...extra-terrestrial assailants.

Man...the early 80's ruled!

Anyway, it's always seemed to me that many aesthetic aspects of those old games find their way into almost all Atlantis (and the like) themed stories..Atlantis, Stargate, SeaQuest, Cocoon(!?)etc...Ultimately, though, I guess they all owe something to Von Daniken.

Anyone else ever get that spooky old "Atari" feeling from genre films sometimes?

publiusr
2005-Oct-26, 08:44 PM
I loved the 80's. I thought we would have a future then.

We got gipped.