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rleyland
2005-Oct-13, 06:52 PM
Finally met the BA, at the Sonoma County Astronomy Society meeting on Oct 12th.

Phil gave a very entertaining talk about debunking, the face on mars craziness, where Hoagland goes wrong etc.

Phil stayed around afterwards to talk with members, and lots of good points were raised and joked about. NASA, galactic rotation curves.

Lots of fun, thanks Phil,

Robbo

The Bad Astronomer
2005-Oct-13, 09:06 PM
Hey, thanks! Astro clubs are one of my favorite venues for giving talks. I always have a good time, and it helps that it's only a few miles away. :razz:

rleyland
2005-Oct-13, 10:53 PM
Hi Phil,

I did try to follow up on that pre-print you mentioned but was unable to find it. Do you have a linky?

thanks,
Robbo

The Bad Astronomer
2005-Oct-13, 11:02 PM
Actually, yes I do (http://xxx.lanl.gov/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0507/0507619.pdf). Do we need dark matter to explain galactic rotation curves? Hmmmmm.

ToSeek
2005-Oct-13, 11:06 PM
We're talking about that here. (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=33524)

Does this qualify as ToSeeking the BA himself? :D

ausduck1
2005-Oct-14, 06:24 AM
BA, when are you coming over to Australia again?? Was unable to attend the Skeptics Convention (drat it all!) but caught you on ABC radio debunking the moon hoax theory.

The Bad Astronomer
2005-Oct-14, 09:17 PM
Invite me. I need to go back; I'm out of Minties again.

Matthew
2005-Oct-15, 01:51 AM
Invite me. I need to go back; I'm out of Minties again.

You... you don't have minties in America?

The Bad Astronomer
2005-Oct-15, 07:16 PM
Nope. I became addicted in Oz last year, and I am spreading the love here in the States. I have lots of friends who like them, and I'm sure they'd sell well here. I don't know why they aren't here! I plan on asking Aussies coming to TAMIV (http://www.tam4.com) to bring some.

R.A.F.
2005-Oct-15, 07:18 PM
OK...I give up...what are "minties"?

edited to add...aha...a chewy, mint flavored, snack...sounds yummy. :)

01101001
2005-Oct-15, 09:32 PM
australian-food.com (http://australian-food.com/lollies/minties.html)
thegreataussietuckerbox.com (http://www.thegreataussietuckerbox.com/category11_1.htm)
about-australia-shop.com (http://about-australia-shop.com/index.php/cPath/42/cPath/42_51)

Sticks
2005-Oct-15, 09:47 PM
The UK has a whole host of minty sweets (http://www.humbugs-chocolates.co.uk/shop/10/)

If you ever felt like dropping by.

The Bad Astronomer
2005-Oct-16, 01:10 AM
I just found out my friend and fellow skeptic Richard Saunders (http://www.mysteryinvestigators.com/) is sending me some (along with video of his win on "Temptation"). ;)

The Bad Astronomer
2005-Oct-16, 01:14 AM
OK...I give up...what are "minties"?

edited to add...aha...a chewy, mint flavored, snack...sounds yummy. :)

Think Altoids in taffy form.

badprof
2005-Oct-16, 01:50 AM
Hey BA,

I am heading back to Oz for my son's wedding next week. I will try and bring some back for you. (assuming of course I do not eat them all on the plane that is!!) :naughty: :D

Maksutov
2005-Oct-16, 04:28 AM
Hard to believe someone would be pushing Minties, and not going all evangelical about Vegemite! Oh well...that's the way the boomerang banks, I guess...

BTW, dear OZians, are you folks still cooking up kangaroo tail soup? http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/nahrung/e065.gif

Sticks
2005-Oct-16, 05:29 AM
not going all evangelical about Vegemite! Oh well...[/IMG]

Vegamite is but a pale imitation of the one true Marmite (http://www.marmite.com/) :naughty:

Champion_Munch
2005-Oct-16, 09:05 AM
YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE MINTIES OVER THERE?!?! Now you'll have to come back here. :D

with regards

The Bad Astronomer
2005-Oct-16, 04:48 PM
I am heading back to Oz for my son's wedding next week. I will try and bring some back for you. (assuming of course I do not eat them all on the plane that is!!)

badprof, wow, I appreciate it, but don't go to any trouble! I didn't mean for this to be a "take pity on the Minty-less me" fest. :shifty:

On the other hand, these things are like Aussie crack. I am seriously going to contact the manufacturer and see why they aren't being sold here.

badprof
2005-Oct-17, 05:46 PM
Vegamite is but a pale imitation of the one true Marmite (http://www.marmite.com/) :naughty:

Ahh.... the definition of a true connoisseur!!!!! Someone who knows the difference between Marmite and Vegemite and can apreciate the taste difference! :D

rleyland
2005-Oct-17, 07:28 PM
Thanks Phil & ToSeek for the update.


On the "other" topic here... as a NZer I have to say that Vegemite beats Marmite, but really neither is as effective as "real" shoe polish.

Minties now, that was one of the tougher things to leave behind when I left...


cheers,
Robbo

rleyland
2005-Oct-17, 07:41 PM
More Minties sources:

http://productsfromnz.com/browse_1710
http://kiwitreats.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=4&products_id=66

(NZ brand versions)

ausduck1
2005-Oct-18, 05:43 AM
Invite me. I need to go back; I'm out of Minties again.

BA, I cordially invite you to visit.. did you get to see much of the Aussie bush when you were over last year? Or did you do the 5 days 'see the tourist sights/places' thing? The southern sky looks amazing off our back deck this time of year, balmy weather, a bottle (or three) of some good Aussie red wine, and a bowl of Minties just for guests :D

The Bad Astronomer
2005-Oct-18, 05:58 AM
Thanks, ausduck! I spent two solid weeks in Oz. It rained for the first few (you're welcome), then we toured the countryside. I never made it to the real bush, just as far as Coonabarrabran. But it was amazing. I got a great bottle of wine from the Aussie Skeptics (I was invited by them, and came down to be their keynote speaker) and had another fantastic sampling the last night I was there. I gave a talk at the Sydney Museum, and a whole bunch of the skeptics came. We went out for dinner, and I tried three or four different wines. I just finished a bottle from Mudgee, actually.

I got to see the Magellanic Clouds for the first time. I should write that up in my blog. It was one of the most moving moments of my life, no kidding.

So I'm willing to come back! I just need to convince Mrs. Bad Astronomer and the Little Astronomer to sit on a plane for 14 hours...

ausduck1
2005-Oct-18, 06:14 AM
On the "other" topic here... as a NZer I have to say that Vegemite beats Marmite, but really neither is as effective as "real" shoe polish.

Minties now, that was one of the tougher things to leave behind when I left...

cheers,
Robbo

Robbo, as one Aussie kid who grew up on warm vegemite sandwiches (they got warm in our school bags as the bags were left on the classroom veranda in the full sun) for lunch and still has vegemite on toast for breakfast I can
a: vouch for the fact that it doesn't make good shoe polish (dogs licking at your shoes is a dead giveaway)
b: vouch that an added dollop of vegemite fools any cat into taking their worm-paste
c: vegemite tastes WAY better than marmite
d: vegemite smeared on your face and neck whilst camping is one of the only known defences against the rare but dangerous Aussie Drop-bear

http://www.smiliegenerator.de/s28/smilies-8776.png

ausduck1
2005-Oct-18, 06:24 AM
Thanks, ausduck! I spent two solid weeks in Oz. It rained for the first few (you're welcome), then we toured the countryside. I never made it to the real bush, just as far as Coonabarrabran. But it was amazing. I got a great bottle of wine from the Aussie Skeptics (I was invited by them, and came down to be their keynote speaker) and had another fantastic sampling the last night I was there. I gave a talk at the Sydney Museum, and a whole bunch of the skeptics came. We went out for dinner, and I tried three or four different wines. I just finished a bottle from Mudgee, actually.

I got to see the Magellanic Clouds for the first time. I should write that up in my blog. It was one of the most moving moments of my life, no kidding.

So I'm willing to come back! I just need to convince Mrs. Bad Astronomer and the Little Astronomer to sit on a plane for 14 hours...

Siding Springs is spectacular, I first visited there with my parents and again a few times with school trips (going wayyy back now) and it's where I got my interest in the heavens. It's a pity you never got to see the complex at Canberra before the bushfires, they had an amazing historical display of telescopes, as well as sun observation records for Australia. Tidbinbilla (aka Honeysuckle Creek) and Parkes are pretty special too :)
If you ever do decide to chance the 14 hr trip with the missus and the Little one keep us in mind.

I'm still cursing missing the darn conference last year!! Let me know if you need more wine :)

ausduck1
2005-Oct-18, 06:33 AM
Hard to believe someone would be pushing Minties, and not going all evangelical about Vegemite! Oh well...that's the way the boomerang banks, I guess...

BTW, dear OZians, are you folks still cooking up kangaroo tail soup? http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/nahrung/e065.gif

Matsukov, we are more sophisticated than that now... nothing like BBQ roasted kangaroo fillets with a fresh salad, and washed down with a Clare Valley Cab. Merlot (or 3).
But yes, the ol' 'roo tail soup is still to be found :D

Crocodile sausages on the BBQ are nice, too!

ZaphodBeeblebrox
2005-Oct-18, 07:21 AM
Matsukov, we are more sophisticated than that now... nothing like BBQ roasted kangaroo fillets with a fresh salad, and washed down with a Clare Valley Cab. Merlot (or 3).
But yes, the ol' 'roo tail soup is still to be found :D

Crocodile sausages on the BBQ are nice, too!
Hmmm ...

Aren't you, a Little Worried, About Secondary Canabalism?

Those Crocs'll, Eat ANYTHING!!!

The Bad Astronomer
2005-Oct-18, 04:27 PM
Tidbinbilla (aka Honeysuckle Creek) and Parkes are pretty special too


Just for the record, we went to Siding Springs, Tidbinbilla, Parkes, and Canberra. Four observatories in about one week! It was very cool.

Gillianren
2005-Oct-18, 07:08 PM
d: vegemite smeared on your face and neck whilst camping is one of the only known defences against the rare but dangerous Aussie Drop-bear

Aw, you don't believe in those, do you? (Thud!) Yeeaaaaggghhhhh!

R.A.F.
2005-Oct-18, 09:38 PM
Entering fantasy land...


I just need to convince Mrs. Bad Astronomer and the Little Astronomer to sit on a plane for 14 hours...

Well, if you can't convince them, you could always take along one of "us". Hey...I've got an idea...

...you could hold a contest, the winner would go with you to Australia...(all expenses paid, of course)

The only aspect of this that I haven't figured out yet is how to guarantee that I'll be the winner...

Now leaving fantasy land...

ausduck1
2005-Oct-18, 11:03 PM
Just for the record, we went to Siding Springs, Tidbinbilla, Parkes, and Canberra. Four observatories in about one week! It was very cool.

Did you see the sheep at Parkes?? They were in the paddock the last time I was there. Sometimes movies get it right :D

ausduck1
2005-Oct-18, 11:22 PM
Hmmm ...

Aren't you, a Little Worried, About Secondary Canabalism?

Those Crocs'll, Eat ANYTHING!!!

Nah, it's farmed croc meat in the sausages. Besides, tourists who ignore the "Danger. No swimming. Estuarine Crocodiles" signs are made of the same stuff all life is made of.
:D

ausduck1
2005-Oct-18, 11:25 PM
Aw, you don't believe in those, do you? (Thud!) Yeeaaaaggghhhhh!

NEVER underestimate the power of the campfire anecdote!

http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/tiere/a030.gif

ZaphodBeeblebrox
2005-Oct-19, 07:36 AM
Nah, it's farmed croc meat in the sausages. Besides, tourists who ignore the "Danger. No swimming. Estuarine Crocodiles" signs are made of the same stuff all life is made of.
:D
EW ...

DISTURBING!!!!

:sick:

ausduck1
2005-Oct-19, 07:45 AM
EW ...

DISTURBING!!!!

:sick:

sorry... forgot to mention that, besides being skeptical, I am also slightly deranged (well, at least my sense of humour is!)
Soylent Green, anyone???
http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/nahrung/k045.gif

Matthew
2005-Oct-19, 07:55 AM
Nah, it's farmed croc meat in the sausages. Besides, tourists who ignore the "Danger. No swimming. Estuarine Crocodiles" signs are made of the same stuff all life is made of.
:D

Emu is nice. But I had some "bush tea" when I was at the Grampians last. Got oh, about half a the cup down, but couldn't drink anymore. And usually I like experimenting.

Got a small lot of marmite but had to throw it out because it tasted awful. Nothing like Vegemite on toast. But Marmite? No thank you. What I don't get is why Americans don't like vegemite.

ZaphodBeeblebrox
2005-Oct-19, 08:08 AM
sorry... forgot to mention that, besides being skeptical, I am also slightly deranged (well, at least my sense of humour is!)
Soylent Green, anyone???
http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/nahrung/k045.gif
Eh ...

Aren't we ALL?

So, Could you Please Pass, The Soylent Green?

:lol:

mickal555
2005-Oct-20, 11:22 AM
badprof, wow, I appreciate it, but don't go to any trouble! I didn't mean for this to be a "take pity on the Minty-less me" fest. :shifty:

On the other hand, these things are like Aussie crack. I am seriously going to contact the manufacturer and see why they aren't being sold here.

I love the wrappers- "it's moment's like theese you need minties" I think I'll send in a drawing something astronomy related :D ... hmmm I'm fresh outta ideas... *shrugs*


BA, when are you coming over to Australia again?? Was unable to attend the Skeptics Convention (drat it all!) but caught you on ABC radio debunking the moon hoax theory.
Come to brisbane- It's the best city.
I'll invite you to give a talk at my Astronomy society :D :D

Chip
2005-Oct-21, 12:05 AM
I love the wrappers- "it's moment's like theese you need minties"...

Here's a gallery of Minties Art (http://users.chariot.net.au/~dan/minties/gallery.html).

They are very symbolic. (Note the image depicting a visiting American astronomer bearing gifts (as Santa) approaching a large radio telescope.) ;-)

jkmccrann
2005-Nov-01, 01:50 PM
Hmmm ...

Aren't you, a Little Worried, About Secondary Canabalism?

Those Crocs'll, Eat ANYTHING!!!


You can always try the Kangaroo meat, it goes very well with a nice bottle of Red. :)

ZaphodBeeblebrox
2005-Nov-01, 11:07 PM
You can always try the Kangaroo meat, it goes very well with a nice bottle of Red. :)
Hmmm ...

What Goes with, Grey Kangaroo, then?

White Wine?

:dance:

badprof
2005-Nov-02, 05:56 PM
Hey BA,

I am back from my son's wedding in Oz and I did manage to bring a packet of Minties back with me for you. All I need is an address to send them to. Or are you likely to be on the east coast anythime soon?

Cheers,

jkmccrann
2005-Nov-03, 03:42 PM
Hmmm ...

What Goes with, Grey Kangaroo, then?

White Wine?

:dance:

Absolutely, I've got just the bottle for a Grey, Eastern or Western Grey of course.

http://www.vinsphilippedandurandwines.com/EN/product.aspx?id=1366

enjoy!

ZaphodBeeblebrox
2005-Nov-03, 04:29 PM
Absolutely, I've got just the bottle for a Grey, Eastern or Western Grey of course.

http://www.vinsphilippedandurandwines.com/EN/product.aspx?id=1366

enjoy!
But, Of COURSE ....

Subtle Hint, of Oak, huh?