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hewhocaves
2005-Oct-19, 09:52 PM
I really don't mean to start up a politcal flame war over this, i just wanted to point out the irony.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/10/19/tv.familyviewing.ap/index.html

So the flagship station of the conservatives has the least family oriented programming. Erm, yes.

I seem to recall some sort of proverb about opening the door and then getting in the way of yourself to keep yourself from leaving.

Matherly
2005-Oct-19, 10:30 PM
"FOX turned into a hardcore porn channel so gradually, I hardly noticed." - Marge Simpson (from the episode where a fortune teller shows Lisa her future)

Candy
2005-Oct-19, 11:40 PM
ABC's "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" (best) – It looks phony! I think I’ve seen one episode. I heard a lot about the petty policies after the show ended. I don’t like phony.
NBC's new "Three Wishes" (best) – I’ve yet to sit through an entire show!
The Fox drama "The O.C." (worst) – I saw the first episode, but it was too “young” for me.
"That '70s Show" (worst) – I haven't seen it in years, but I found it funny.
"Arrested Development" (worst) – I’ve tried to follow this show, but it must be way over my head or something.
"CSI: Crime Scene Investigation" (bad viewing) – I LOVE THIS SHOW (all of them).
"Desperate Housewives” (bad viewing) – I’ve seen it once. It was cute, but not my style.
"Two and a Half Men" (bad viewing) – I like this show, too. It's seriously funny.
"Cold Case" (bad viewing) – I LOVE THIS SHOW.
Fox's "American Idol" (best family viewing) – I refuse to watch this show.
CBS' "The Ghost Whisperer" (best family viewing) – I grown to enjoy this show (I find it freaky).
UPN's "Everybody Hates Chris" (best family viewing) – I’ve never heard of this show.

bonzelite
2005-Oct-20, 12:26 AM
but you ignore this aspect of it: fox is the only broadcast news source that is not 100% liberally-biased. all of the others you might as well be going to a cindy sheehan rally. this is why fox is #1 in broadcast news. it reflects a more balanced view of news, even though it is still info-tainment like the rest of them.

and you immediately enter the realm of politics by bringing it up.

Superluminal
2005-Oct-20, 12:51 AM
Other than the Simpsons, I seldon watch anything on the entertainment side of Fox. That's probably what the parents are complaining about.

Donnie B.
2005-Oct-20, 01:10 AM
Is it Fox, or is it us (the TV consuming public)?

Look at the (partial) list of shows that Fox cancelled after runs of varying lengths: Futurama, Family Guy, Wonderfalls, John Doe, and -- most unforgivable of all -- Firefly.

Their record is so consistently hideous that you have to wonder whether the Fox executives know some fundamental truth about the American public. Such as: quality programming doesn't sell beer and Chevys.

Gillianren
2005-Oct-20, 02:43 AM
Fox is extraordinarily biased in their news. Well-established fact.

However, were I raising kids, they'd watch PBS more than any of the networks. I note that none of the shows Candy mentioned are PBS. I'm well aware that a six-year-old almost certainly wouldn't be as into Nova as I, but I wouldn't let a six-year-old watch any reality TV, either. (I certainly wouldn't let them watch American Idol, where being untalented makes you funny and fair game to people being rude to you.)

My children wouldn't watch any show I didn't screen first--at least one episode of it, anyway. CSI isn't designed for children. No child of mine under the age of about twelve would be allowed to watch it. Likewise That 70's Show, where the jokes are about drugs and sex. It's not intended for family viewing; it's intended for teenagers.

I used to watch Joan of Arcadia, which to me had the strong positive trait of making characters of more than one age seem like human beings. However, I can't watch that now, because it didn't bring in the teenagers. Heck, most shows intended to bring in teenagers didn't appeal to me when I was a teenager.

However, those are all my views, and I'd raise my own kids according to my own views. I don't need some amorphous group of parents to tell me what shows to let my hypothetical children watch.

TheBlackCat
2005-Oct-20, 02:49 AM
If you get sued for false advertising for advertising your "news is fair and balanced", and then reply that "fair and balanced" is a matter of opinion, you should have a clue that there is a problem.

I personally wouldn't depend on TV for education at all. I would much rather my kids read. Besides Beyond 2000, Newton's Apple, the standard PBS kids shows, and Disney Afternoon, I really never watched much TV as a kid. Most of my education came from books. My parents would buy me pretty much any non-fiction book I wanted. I would read on just about any subject I could get my hands on. That's what I would want my kids to do too. Even so-called educational shows are no replacement for a good kid's encyclopedia.

bonzelite
2005-Oct-20, 03:01 AM
NONE of the networks are fair and balanced. Fox is perhaps the most balanced on tv right now.

if your idea of moderate is CNN or MSNBC, you are running close to cindy sheehan territory, of the intolerant left "liberally" fascist crowd of today.

Wolverine
2005-Oct-20, 03:53 AM
if your idea of moderate is CNN or MSNBC, you are running close to cindy sheehan territory, of the intolerant left "liberally" fascist crowd of today.

http://www.bautforum.com/images/icons/icon4.gif Please review the forum rules (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?p=564845#post564845). Comments such as the above are not appropriate on this board.

Gillianren
2005-Oct-20, 06:09 AM
NONE of the networks are fair and balanced. Fox is perhaps the most balanced on tv right now.

if your idea of moderate is CNN or MSNBC, you are running close to cindy sheehan territory, of the intolerant left "liberally" fascist crowd of today.

At the risk of getting warned . . . .

Neither CNN nor MSNBC has ever tried to fire all of their conservative employees. That makes them fair and balanced to me.

bonzelite
2005-Oct-20, 06:13 AM
At the risk of getting warned . . . .

Neither CNN nor MSNBC has ever tried to fire all of their conservative employees. That makes them fair and balanced to me.

i apologize for my un-politically correct way of expressing myself. i will adhere to the house rules.

you've heard my piece.

i'd rather watch a forensic show or something on the discovery channel. or law and order SUV. that's about all i ever find myself watching these days on tv. otherwise, i just go on science and car forums.

snabald
2005-Oct-20, 11:56 AM
From the article: The group's president, L. Brent Bozell, said he was alarmed that the three Fox Sunday night comedies are being marketed as family friendly.

WHAT???? Since when has Family Guy, American Dad, and The war at Home been marketed as family friendly? I know at least two of them have disclaimers that run before them - what the heck is this L. Brent Bozell trying to pull here?

Dave Mitsky
2005-Oct-20, 12:20 PM
but you ignore this aspect of it: fox is the only broadcast news source that is not 100% liberally-biased. all of the others you might as well be going to a cindy sheehan rally. this is why fox is #1 in broadcast news. it reflects a more balanced view of news, even though it is still info-tainment like the rest of them.

and you immediately enter the realm of politics by bringing it up.

Balanced? Fox News is decidedly right wing. Claiming something in an advertising slogan does not necessarily make it so.

Were you aware that fascism is a reactionary form of government?

fascism - A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

"Fascism is generally considered to be reactionary due to its rejection of liberalism and glorification of ancient history and social arrangements prior to the Industrial Revolution. In Doctrine of Fascism of 1932 Giovanni Gentile and Benito Mussolini wrote ""Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and the economic sphere." Mussolini and the Italian fascists showed a desire to bring about a neo-feudal social order (though without serfdom) in their enthusiasm for the corporate state. Mussolini also said that "fascism is reaction" and ""Fascism, which did not fear to call itself reactionary ...has not today any impediment against declaring itself illiberal and anti-liberal" (Gerarchia, March, 1923 quoted in George Seldes, Facts and Fascism, eighth edition, New York: In Fact, 1943, p. 277)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactionary

Dave Mitsky

hewhocaves
2005-Oct-20, 01:31 PM
I probably should point out that I don't watch TV regularly... except for Yankee baseball, Nova and Doctor Who...

Again, my OP was simply that this is the station that the red states point to when they want "fair and balanced" reporting. And this is the station that the conservatives bang on the least when they talk about the "conspiracy" in media.

Personally, I think that FOX has had made a massive business coup, appealing to the basest instinct in our society. In Roman society they would have been the people running the gladiatorial combats in the colisseum. Having said that, I do enjoy Family Guy and the Simpsons, but can't stand Arrested Development and a lot of other things on that station. Of course I think "Drawn Together" is disturbingly funny.

You could make an analogy (for analogy's sake) that the FOX marketing strategy mirrors the conservative political strategy - to be indignant about all the moral troubles in this world while causing a fair percentage of them. In both cases, the strategy has been remarkably successful. It also says interesting things about the level of perceptiveness in our society.

John

PS: sorry if the above rubs people the wrong way... I'm about to start graduate school at WVU for an MA in Creative Writing. The first long story I'm writing is going to be a satire on this phenomenon (in the abstract, of course). Sort of an Orwellian-Swifitan piece. I suppose that's why I made the connection in the first place.

Dave Mitsky
2005-Oct-20, 02:00 PM
I believe that "Drawn Together" is on the Comedy Channel, not Fox.

Dave Mitsky

hewhocaves
2005-Oct-20, 02:01 PM
I believe that "Drawn Together" is on the Comedy Channel, not Fox.

Dave Mitsky

you are correct. i was just expressing my tastes.

Taks
2005-Oct-20, 02:58 PM
Fox is extraordinarily biased in their news. Well-established fact.well established opinion, gillianren. sorry, but just because every liberal news source, and liberals alike, think fox is extraordinarily biased does not make it a fact. you're using faulty logic here by stating something as "well established fact" when in fact, you have no facts to back up that claim other than anecdotal evidence.

taks

Taks
2005-Oct-20, 02:59 PM
Neither CNN nor MSNBC has ever tried to fire all of their conservative employees. That makes them fair and balanced to me.all two of them?

taks

Taks
2005-Oct-20, 03:02 PM
Balanced? Fox News is decidedly right wing. Claiming something in an advertising slogan does not necessarily make it so.my god, you follow up the statement "decidedly right wing" with "does not necessarily make it so" and expect people to belive you? you've committed the same error in logic as those you are faulting. just because you claim they are decidedly right wing does not make it so. it works both ways.

taks

Fram
2005-Oct-20, 03:11 PM
well established opinion, gillianren. sorry, but just because every liberal news source, and liberals alike, think fox is extraordinarily biased does not make it a fact. you're using faulty logic here by stating something as "well established fact" when in fact, you have no facts to back up that claim other than anecdotal evidence.

taks

Is the anecdotical evidence good enough when it comes from their London bureau chief? (http://slate.msn.com/id/2119864/)
Note: I'm not claiming that the source I use here is unbiased itself :lol:

There are other pieces of evidence (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1187) (also this one (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1072)), but you can always dispute how balanced they are themselves of course.

aurora
2005-Oct-20, 03:19 PM
ABC's "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" (best) – It looks phony! I think I’ve seen one episode. I heard a lot about the petty policies after the show ended. I don’t like phony.


It is phony, at least in part. I watched a few episodes when it started off, but then they did a house in a nearby town, so I got to read about it in the local newspaper and knew what really was going on. When I watched the episode, there were many things that were incorrectly portrayed. They doctored stuff up to make it more dramatic or what they perceived to be more interesting (in orther words, quite a bit of it is fiction).

hewhocaves
2005-Oct-20, 03:21 PM
c'mon everyone.... let's settle down a little here...

We still live in an age of yellow-journalism.
No news station is ever "unbiased". For a good example, go look at the way the recent "Toledo Nazis" story was handled by CNN and FOX. CNN concentrated on the "wrongness" of the Nazis for staging the demonstration as inflamatory. FOX concentrated on the inner-city rioting, making only passing reference at the original demonstration.

You only do yourself a disservice by reading ONLY one or the other. And if you want really fair and balanced reporting, especially in foreign news, then you need to read something from outside the US. I recommend the BBC's website.

We're all here because at some level we believe in the scientific process. In the social sicences (history, et al) it's common practice to read all the aco****s from every side as you try to reconstruct the actual events that occured. Let's all apply the same rigor to the evening news that we would to the Roman Empire.

John

ToSeek
2005-Oct-20, 03:23 PM
Better yet, can we just agree that the alleged political biases of a news organization is not an appropriate discussion topic for this forum? Thanks.

pumpkinpie
2005-Oct-20, 03:28 PM
I personally wouldn't depend on TV for education at all. I would much rather my kids read. Besides Beyond 2000, Newton's Apple, the standard PBS kids shows, and Disney Afternoon, I really never watched much TV as a kid. Most of my education came from books. My parents would buy me pretty much any non-fiction book I wanted. I would read on just about any subject I could get my hands on. That's what I would want my kids to do too. Even so-called educational shows are no replacement for a good kid's encyclopedia.

I agree with just about everything you said, except I differ in that I did watch a lot of tv growing up. Some of it was educational, most of that on PBS: from Mister Rogers and Sesame Street as a kid, to Electric Company and Square One when I was a little older, and the occasional nighttime NOVA. But I didn't watch them to be educated, and I don't think my parents had me watch them to be educated. I watched those shows because I enjoyed them. And I watched game shows, sitcoms, soap operas to be entertained. Watching tv never interfered with my education. I still read a ton, loved encyclopedias, and always had plenty of time to do my schoolwork. I don't feel like my parents did any regulating of what I watched while growing up. It was pretty much anything I wanted. I guess I tended to pick non-controversial shows. The only show I remember my parents not wanting my sister and I to watch was Three's Company!

Of course that was 20 years ago. I don't know how different it would be if they were raising me today. Or how I'm going to be when I raise my kids.

Taks
2005-Oct-20, 03:56 PM
Is the anecdotical evidence good enough when it comes from their London bureau chief? (http://slate.msn.com/id/2119864/)even CNN is right wing compared to most of europe, anecdotally speaking, of course. if someone is in the middle, politically speaking, wouldn't they automatically be viewed as sitting right of a liberal? this guy is seemingly liberal, so his views are certainly tainted.

oh, btw, foxnews does not get "a few liberals" on their shows. they actually get more liberals than conservatives, so his statement is patently wrong.

also, i think we're confusing FOX the tv network with foxnews. same owner, different concepts.

for the record, fox news analysts are a different story. they are mostly conservative and clearly admit that. i believe the statement was "if we could get a liberal analyst on that people would watch, we would do so in a heartbeat." (paraphrased).


There are other pieces of evidence (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1187) (also this one (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1072)), but you can always dispute how balanced they are themselves of course.bias is not my point. it is still opinion. that was my point.

taks

Taks
2005-Oct-20, 03:57 PM
You only do yourself a disservice by reading ONLY one or the other. And if you want really fair and balanced reporting, especially in foreign news, then you need to read something from outside the US. I recommend the BBC's website.good point, but i must admit i'm not a fan of the bbc. AP and reuters actually come across as fairer, IMO.

btw, i agree with toseek. cya.

taks

bonzelite
2005-Oct-20, 05:26 PM
Balanced? Fox News is decidedly right wing. Claiming something in an advertising slogan does not necessarily make it so.

Were you aware that fascism is a reactionary form of government?

fascism - A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

"Fascism is generally considered to be reactionary due to its rejection of liberalism and glorification of ancient history and social arrangements prior to the Industrial Revolution. In Doctrine of Fascism of 1932 Giovanni Gentile and Benito Mussolini wrote ""Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and the economic sphere." Mussolini and the Italian fascists showed a desire to bring about a neo-feudal social order (though without serfdom) in their enthusiasm for the corporate state. Mussolini also said that "fascism is reaction" and ""Fascism, which did not fear to call itself reactionary ...has not today any impediment against declaring itself illiberal and anti-liberal" (Gerarchia, March, 1923 quoted in George Seldes, Facts and Fascism, eighth edition, New York: In Fact, 1943, p. 277)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactionary

Dave Mitsky

so you just cannot drop that. well, if you want to start waxing pseudo-intellectual by posting quotes from definitions, you are only revealing your position as a typically left "sophisticated" elitist who has no idea that their view is so left-bent. you are quoting things that define yourself.

fox is balanced in the context of broadcast news. the other networks are FAR FAR left. and if you do not see that, then it reveals that you are among such a left skewed demographic of self-proclaimed "moderates" who are nothing of the sort. and are intolerant of diversity. ie, you are tolerant of multiculturalism, as long as they are all liberal.

the left today has forgotten how to be liberal. and your quoted definitions above absolutely describe the neo-lib today. typically super feminist, intolerant of anyone who is religious, hate mongering and clueless about geopolitics, and idealistic to the extent of being rigid and contemptuous of anything that is not remotely socialist. yet some of the wealthiest capitalists are "liberal."

go home, buddy and watch your tv.

:razz:

Taks
2005-Oct-20, 05:49 PM
on topic (i merely left the political debate ;) ), i agree that the fox tv channel has some of the worst stuff. however, there are many cable channels that are just horrid. fox is just the worst over-the-air public channel.

of course, i don't mind it, but i am careful to prevent my son from lingering too long in front of family guy.

taks

Jim
2005-Oct-20, 06:09 PM
I probably should point out that I don't watch TV regularly... except for Yankee baseball, Nova and Doctor Who...

Well, two outa three ain't bad. (And what are the Yankees doing next week? Gloat, gloat.)


Again, my OP was simply that this is the station that the red states point to when they want "fair and balanced" reporting. And this is the station that the conservatives bang on the least when they talk about the "conspiracy" in media.

Apples and oranges. Fox News is different from Fox. It's the entertainment programming on Fox that is catching flak.


... I do enjoy Family Guy and the Simpsons, but can't stand Arrested Development ...

Two outa three again. I find Family Guy to be vulgar and insipid; Simpsons is still good after all these years, and Arrested Development (admittedly an acquired taste) is hilarious.


... I'm about to start graduate school at WVU for an MA in Creative Writing. ...

Enjoy Morgantown. It's a beautiful part of the country, especially this time of year.

Gruesome
2005-Oct-20, 06:14 PM
We still live in an age of yellow-journalism.
No news station is ever "unbiased". John

Here, here (or is it hear, here?)

Yellow journalism seems the rule rather than the exception. "Your kids could be at risk from an item in your home...a crucial report at 11." Then you tune in and they air a report about. Gee, whatta shock, huh?

The only thing you can trust the media for is the sports scores.

pumpkinpie
2005-Oct-20, 06:28 PM
The only thing you can trust the media for is the sports scores.

And not even always for that! Monday morning I tuned in to my morning local FOX news to see who won the LAA/Sox game. They had LA winning 6-3. It was the other way around.

Taks
2005-Oct-20, 06:35 PM
yeah, i coulda sworn st. louis beat the strohs 5-1 last night. grrrr...

taks

Fram
2005-Oct-20, 07:05 PM
also, i think we're confusing FOX the tv network with foxnews. same owner, different concepts.


I was indeed mixing them, my mistake. By the way, I love the Simpsons, so I'm not blindly against everything Fox brings by definition or so. :)

Taks
2005-Oct-20, 07:18 PM
i wasn't referring just to you, fram, more of a general comment. not an uncommon error in distinction, btw. fox tv really is a different beast than fox news. fox tv local news is no different than abc, cbs or nbc in terms of alleged bias.

my favorite, btw, is south park, which does not belong on any regular network.

taks

Gillianren
2005-Oct-20, 07:23 PM
I'm not having the political conversation. However, I would like to point out that it's Law & Order: SVU, not Law & Order: SUV, which would be a very different show.

foxy
2005-Oct-20, 07:25 PM
I should like to point out that, despite the similarity with my user name, I have absolutely no connection with the television company....but I did meet it's owner. Keith Murdoch, when he was a junior reporter on one of his father's papers in the outback of Australia; about 55 years ago. Small world ain't it?

hewhocaves
2005-Oct-20, 07:28 PM
staying on topic (on message?)

Taks, you have hit the nail squarely on the head. It's the parents that are the first and best line of defense against children watching inapproprate TV.

Jim... i can't belive you like Arrested Development. i feel the compulsory urge to break my knuckles with a ball-peen hammer whenever it's on. (Spike TV will be ariting that next week btw)
(P.S. obviously I'm kidding... AD is no better or worse than anything else out there and as you say... it's an acquired taste. I love Family guy, but I can't stand American Dad. I think it's because its the same jokes without that extra layer to hide the political overtones)

Taks... I agree. FOX leadsin badness over the public networks. Cable is an entirely different slovely animal altogether.

Jim... Yeah?? The Yankees will win the WS next year!!! *shakes fist manically* or the year after that... or maybe after that... um... LOL
seriously, long after all the dictators are gone, the world is perfectly safe and everyone is happy there will still be the Yankees to hate. That's the kind of public service we provide :-)

And lastly, I'm not sure how much you can seperate FOXnews from FOX. Like Fran said "same owners". If one branch of a company adopts runaway puppies while another branch grinds up orphans into weinerschnitzel, can we really base our opinion of that company solely on the puppies?

John

PS: no company actually grinds up children into weinerschnitzel. It's more a bratwurst thing.
PPS: sorry if I offend. I felt a "modest" moment.

pumpkinpie
2005-Oct-20, 08:01 PM
Jim... i can't belive you like Arrested Development. i feel the compulsory urge to break my knuckles with a ball-peen hammer whenever it's on. (Spike TV will be ariting that next week btw)
(P.S. obviously I'm kidding... AD is no better or worse than anything else out there and as you say... it's an acquired taste. I love Family guy, but I can't stand American Dad. I think it's because its the same jokes without that extra layer to hide the political overtones)


AD = BEST comedy currently on TV. Laugh out loud funny in more spots than should be legal inside of one half hour. Thought so as soon as I saw it, so it didn't have to be acquired by me!
In my opinion. ;)

Roving Philosopher
2005-Oct-20, 08:11 PM
I'm not having the political conversation. However, I would like to point out that it's Law & Order: SVU, not Law & Order: SUV, which would be a very different show.
My wife and I call it Law & Order: USA, because every time we flip to USA, they're running another episode. :)

publiusr
2005-Oct-20, 08:17 PM
Fox has great disaster coverage.

Monique
2005-Oct-20, 08:50 PM
Back to time for Socrates some from old generation worry new temptations ruin young generation. Humans muddle through in spite of all ;)

Candy
2005-Oct-20, 10:50 PM
My wife and I call it Law & Order: USA, because every time we flip to USA, they're running another episode. :)
LOL. I like that!

Candy
2005-Oct-20, 10:57 PM
Personally, I think that FOX has had made a massive business coup, appealing to the basest instinct in our society. In Roman society they would have been the people running the gladiatorial combats in the colisseum. Having said that, I do enjoy Family Guy and the Simpsons, but can't stand Arrested Development and a lot of other things on that station. Of course I think "Drawn Together" is disturbingly funny.

You could make an analogy (for analogy's sake) that the FOX marketing strategy mirrors the conservative political strategy - to be indignant about all the moral troubles in this world while causing a fair percentage of them. In both cases, the strategy has been remarkably successful. It also says interesting things about the level of perceptiveness in our society.

John

PS: sorry if the above rubs people the wrong way... I'm about to start graduate school at WVU for an MA in Creative Writing. The first long story I'm writing is going to be a satire on this phenomenon (in the abstract, of course). Sort of an Orwellian-Swifitan piece. I suppose that's why I made the connection in the first place.
In the mid-late 80's, while attending Ball State, I would have Sunday Night Fox Parties. We would watch The Tracey Ullman Show (Simpson's spoofed from afterwards) and 21 Jump Street. I think there were a couple of more sitcoms, but I can't remember them now.

PS: Good luck with school!

Gillianren
2005-Oct-20, 11:26 PM
In the mid-late 80's, while attending Ball State, I would have Sunday Night Fox Parties. We would watch The Tracey Ullman Show (Simpson's spoofed from afterwards) and 21 Jump Street. I think there were a couple of more sitcoms, but I can't remember them now.

Spun off, Candy. "Spoofed" is parodied. "Spun off" is taking characters from an old show to make a new show. Usually, spin offs are bad; The Simpsons are an exception.

Taks
2005-Oct-20, 11:34 PM
this is why i love posting in here... you guys are KILLING me. not in a weinerschnitzel sort of soon to be bratwurst way, but you know what i mean. :)

yes, btw, it is parents responsibility.

taks

Candy
2005-Oct-20, 11:48 PM
this is why i love posting in here... you guys are KILLING me. not in a weinerschnitzel sort of soon to be bratwurst way, but you know what i mean. :)

yes, btw, it is parents responsibility.

taks
:)

dvb
2005-Oct-21, 02:07 AM
There's a good documentary that can be viewed online about the political bias between various US news broadcasting agencies. The program is called The Fifth Estate, and is broadcast weekly on the Canadian network, The CBC.

I will provide a link here, for those interested, and without me going further into the political discussion of this thread. Make the judgement for yourself.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/sticksandstones.html

bonzelite
2005-Oct-21, 02:25 AM
read the book "Bias" by Bernard Goldberg. you will laugh your rear off.
i particularly like his take on Dan Rather and his left wing mafia of CBS execs and yes men. and this is prior to Rather's firing.

The Bad Astronomer
2005-Oct-21, 04:15 AM
bonzelite was warned twice earlier about breaking rules, and has posted both politically and attacking someone here. He has been permanently banned.

The Bad Astronomer
2005-Oct-21, 04:26 AM
And since this thread has taken a decidedly political turn, I am closing it.