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NorthGuy
2005-Oct-29, 04:19 PM
This AP story (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EARLY_AMERICANS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2005-10-29-07-23-07) appeared this morning. It talks about a "supernova" related to "'impact regions' on mammoth tusks" related to "comets (that) struck the solar system during the Clovis period, which was roughly 13,000 years ago." :confused: To me, this article looks like a string of random quotes that someone tossed together in an attempt to make some sort of science story. I not sure even the writer knew what the point of this article was.

I knew that science sometimes gets pretty pathetic coverage in the news, but why did the AP even bother with this article?

Wolverine
2005-Oct-29, 04:27 PM
The AP story seems a bit misleading since it's scant on details. SpaceRef reported this (http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=17893) when it originally debuted over a month ago.

R.A.F.
2005-Oct-29, 04:40 PM
To me, this article looks like a string of random quotes that someone tossed together in an attempt to make some sort of science story. I not sure even the writer knew what the point of this article was.

I agree...the Comets/Supernova "connection" is non-existant.


These comets would have hit the Earth at 1,000 kilometers an hour,

That seems a bit slow...:)

NorthGuy
2005-Oct-29, 04:45 PM
Thank you, Wolverine. That article does make a lot more sense. The AP article leaves some yawning gaps in the details.

Fascinating story too. Is this the first time someone has theorized a comet impact in North America at that time?

R.A.F.
2005-Oct-29, 04:47 PM
SpaceRef reported this (http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=17893) when it originally debuted over a month ago.

OK...that makes a little more sense...but I don't know if I agree with the findings or not.

And how in the World did AP "mess" this part up...


In fact, tests with shotgun pellets traveling 1,000 kilometers per hour produced no penetration in the tusks. Much higher energies are needed: x-ray analysis determined that the impact depths are consistent with grains traveling at speeds approaching 10,000 kilometers per second.


Did they even bother to "check" their facts???

NorthGuy
2005-Oct-29, 04:50 PM
I agree...the Comets/Supernova "connection" is non-existant.



That seems a bit slow...:)


Not according to the article Wolverine posted:


Firestone and West believe that debris from a supernova explosion coalesced into low-density, comet-like objects that wreaked havoc on the solar system long ago.

Is this reasonable or highly speculative?

eburacum45
2005-Oct-30, 08:41 AM
Completely unreasonable if you ask me. I expect almost all of the material in comets originally came from supernova explosions billions of years ago, but I am pretty sure that a recent and nearby explosion would not immediately coalesce into 10 km comets which hit the Earth and wipe out the Mammoths.
Sounds like bunk.

Jerry
2005-Oct-31, 03:06 PM
Since the manufacturing of clovis points ended at very close to the same time that the woolly's disappeared, I think there is a more probable cause.

I would not be surprised to hear this argument turned around, with a claim humans denuded the moon of life before trashing the earth. (And destroying the technology necessary to do so).

hhEb09'1
2005-Nov-03, 07:23 PM
grains traveling at speeds approaching 10,000 kilometers per second.That's 3% of the speed of light!

Zogski
2005-Nov-05, 05:01 AM
AP and AFP (two separate cheap news agencies) keep producing bad articles, filled to the lid with inaccuracies. They're journalism's sweat-shops. But newspapers around the globe keep buying these articles, mainly because:
1) they're cheap
2) they fill the pages with "content"
3) some guys at the editorial office believe their readers are morons

I remember an artist's depiction of Sedna being labeled as a "photo of Sedna taken by Hubble telescope". Sure. With the Sun in the background.

The best thing to do is to complain to your newspaper each time you read one of these crappy AP fillers, if you can spot the inaccuracies. Maybe in the long run, we'll have better newspapers. Who knows.

Mr. Milton Banana
2005-Nov-07, 07:18 AM
I remember an artist's depiction of Sedna being labeled as a "photo of Sedna taken by Hubble telescope". Sure. With the Sun in the background.


ROFL!!!!! :D

Well, didn't you know Hubble has a warp-drive engine that could Z-O-O-M it to the edge of the solar system and back?? :p

You really need to read the HARD HITTING newspapers like The Globe and Weekly World News. :p

:)

Blob
2007-May-14, 03:51 PM
A comet or some other extraterrestrial object appears to have slammed into northern Canada 12,900 years ago and triggered an abrupt and catastrophic climate change that wiped out the mammoths and many other prehistoric creatures, according to a team of U.S. scientists.

Read more (http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=3a259173-a9b1-48dc-910c-7c0801329224)

http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=34587
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=33032

Noclevername
2007-May-17, 03:08 AM
You really need to read the HARD HITTING newspapers like The Globe and Weekly World News.


The only difference is one of degree.

Maksutov
2007-May-17, 05:44 AM
Originally Posted by Zogski
I remember an artist's depiction of Sedna being labeled as a "photo of Sedna taken by Hubble telescope". Sure. With the Sun in the background.
ROFL!!!!! :D

Well, didn't you know Hubble has a warp-drive engine that could Z-O-O-M it to the edge of the solar system and back?? :pAnd as it zoomed past the hollow Moon it took pictures of all six Apollo landing sites. These photos were beamed back to JPL and NASA, both agencies which immediately covered them up so not to support their case that the case of the Moon hoaxers about a cover-up is in fact a cover-up...uh, let's see where was I?

Oh yeah, the HST is zooming by the Moon and NOT taking pictures of the six Apollo landing sites, since NASA didn't land on the Moon, and when they did, found evidence of ancient technology which was then...oh, never mind!


You really need to read the HARD HITTING newspapers like The Globe and Weekly World News. :p

:)Do those still carry the pictures of semi-clothed starlets for their readers who can't read? Or am I thinking of British tabloids such as The Sun?

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Extravoice
2007-May-17, 12:33 PM
Do those still carry the pictures of semi-clothed starlets for their readers who can't read? Or am I thinking of British tabloids such as The Sun?


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