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banquo's_bumble_puppy
2005-Dec-30, 05:09 PM
Which was better/or worse?

Voyager vs. Enterprise

I really hated Voyager

ToSeek
2005-Dec-30, 06:05 PM
Voyager's promise was completely squandered. Enterprise wasn't great, but it had some moments. We watched the latter all the way through but gave up on the former fairly quickly.

Doodler
2005-Dec-30, 07:03 PM
Thats like asking if you were speeding on an icy road and saw Rick Berman and Brandon Braga ahead of you, would you:

A: slam the car into a sideslip to take them both out at once.
B: bounce the car off the curb and go one at a time.

They both had promise, and they were both brutally wasted by the ridiculous pandering to the least creative denominator.

Alan
2005-Dec-30, 07:29 PM
Both were awful, but Voyager was "new" in the sense that it had less continuity to contend with - what little attention to continuity that was given by B&B while Enterprise had tons of continuity required - which recieved the same amount of attention to detail that all of their other series got, i.e. none. Enterprise gave me no feeling that it was set prior to TOS, just vaguely in the same universe as the rest. The only way to salvage it would be to reveal in the end that all this was happening in the alternate universe, with the captain (or even the engineer) & the vulcan shacking up together and founding the empire.

tofu
2005-Dec-30, 09:20 PM
Anybody here ever play Starfleet Battles? Man I played the heck out of that game when I was a teenager. There were so many rules and so many different technologies. But it was all based in the era in which the original Star Trek series, with Kirk and Spock takes place. I think that is the reason that I've always liked the original series.

When I first heard about Enterprise, I really hoped that they were going to do a modern take on the era of the original. How cool would it have been to have Constitution class ships fighting tooth and nail with the Kingons? But no, hollywood doesn't think the way I do. So I agree with toseek. I think that the promise of Enterprise was squandered.

I really liked the first few episodes of Voyager. Voyager was a warship. It wasn't built for exploration. It was built to fight the Borg. In one of the first episodes, they used some kind of high-power torpedo on the alien space station. I loved it. But alas, it eventually fell into the "just another Trek series" routine.

Part of the problem with Trek, as I see it, is real world economics. They want to get a high return on the investment they make to build sets and stuff. So, they want the series to go for a long time. So, they have to make it open ended to some extent. It has to be like Wagon Train in space. It has to keep going and going and going. Eventually that is bound to get boring. More importantly, it puts writers in a bind. They have to deliver and whole bunch of short stories. Inevitably they hit dry spells where they have no good ideas. That's when you start getting your "OMG WE'VE BEEN IN THE HOLODECK ALL ALONG OMG LOL WTF" episodes. That's when you start getting your time travel episodes. That's when you start getting your "omnipotent alien puts humanity on trail" episodes, your "captain was kidnapped and tortured but now he's ok and fit for return to duty" etc etc etc. All the things that make me groan. Plus, the people don't get promoted often enough, not as often as real naval officers do.

I would also point out one of the really funny aspects of Voyager. I only watched it for a couple of seasons, but I distinctly remember them just sort of accidentally running into the same characters again and again. "Uh oh, there's that guy who wants to kill us! Everybody hide!" The real world reason for this is that it was easy on the writers and the production staff. They already had a back story for those characters and they already had makeup and costumes ready to go. But if you think about it, you'll realize that running into the same people again and again doesn't fit the show's premise. Let's say I live in Miami. An evil space alien picks me up and deposits me in Juno Alaska. Fortunately I still have my car, it's just going to take me a while to drive home. So now we are going to have a TV show about my drive home. In one episode, I stop for a day in Seattle. While there, I get into a bar fight. I make some enemies. But at the end of the episode, I'm back in my car, back on the road, driving toward Miami. 10 episodes later, I stop in Kansas City. What are the chances that I'm going to run into that guy from Seattle? Essentially zero, but it happened on Voyager all the time - it just bugged me.

Here's what I suggest for the people who own the intellectual property of Star Trek. Do a miniseries. Pick some kind of major story arc, divide it up into one season, and do it. When a particular arc becomes popular, it takes some discipline to force yourself not to run it into the ground, and we all know hollywood doesn't have that discipline, but that's my idea anyway. If they did this, Star Trek would basically never get boring. See right now, everybody except the die-hard fans are sick of it. But I bet that if they did a miniseries and advertised the fact that it would be over and done with after exactly one season, people would be curious enough to watch it. And it would move fast enough to keep people interested.

I have trouble getting interested in much of anything on TV these days. Those open ended shows are just jerking me around in my opinion. Take Battlestar Galactica for example. You know they are never going to find Earth. Right? Not until the show gets canceled anway. In the mean time here's what you have to look forward to: OMG, SO AND SO IS A CYLON!! - ok the episode is over lets move on. OMG, THE CAPTAIN IS OUT OF CONTROL RELEAVE HIM OF COMMAND NOW!!! - ok the episode is over lets move on. OMG SOMETHING IS HAPPENEING WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?? - ok move on. It's never going to stop. The producers are just making it up as they go along. There's no point to any of it.

I'd rather read a book. I'm reading Footfall by Larry Niven right now. I know that when I get to the end all the loose ends that are going to be tied up will be tied up. There will be a conclusion. That's something for me to look forward to.

So anyway, I wasn't too happy with either Enterprise or Voyager for the reasons outlined above. I just think that Star Trek could benefit from a different format, one that wasn't so open ended. That's my opinion.

ToSeek
2005-Dec-30, 10:59 PM
I really liked the first few episodes of Voyager. Voyager was a warship. It wasn't built for exploration. It was built to fight the Borg. In one of the first episodes, they used some kind of high-power torpedo on the alien space station. I loved it. But alas, it eventually fell into the "just another Trek series" routine.

My recollection is that Voyager was a science vessel, not a warship, though this doesn't explain their seemingly unlimited supply of photon torpedoes.

tofu
2005-Dec-30, 11:45 PM
My recollection is that Voyager was a science vessel, not a warship, though this doesn't explain their seemingly unlimited supply of photon torpedoes.

The wiki article seems to sugges that it's more of warship. It's been a while since I saw it though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrepid_class_starship

GDwarf
2005-Dec-31, 01:27 AM
The first episode calls Voyager an exploration vessel, I believe, certainly not a warship. I'm a bit biased towards Voyager, it was my first Trek so I wasn't jaded to the various plot devices, I liked it, but I hated Enterprise, it didn't help that the only station showing it that I receive seemed to like one episode in particular and would play it about 4 times as often as any other episode -_-;.

Van Rijn
2005-Dec-31, 01:45 AM
Voyager was worse, though that isn't saying much. I never saw an episode of Voyager that rose to the level of "Eh ..."

There were a few episodes of Enterprise that suggested a promising future for the series. Unfortunately, they threw that all away with the time travel nonsense.

Charly
2005-Dec-31, 02:04 AM
Voyager was not a warship.

I think its about 1/4 the size of Enterprise E. Its more of a scout / explorer. I think it was the fastest Starfleet ship.

Defiant class is a warship, built at around the same time as Intrepid class. Why would starfleet build 2 warship class vessels to fight the Borg?

tofu
2005-Dec-31, 03:29 AM
I think its about 1/4 the size of Enterprise E. Its more of a scout / explorer.

yeah, I guess you're right. It's small and fast like a scout. But note that the set: Warship includes things like battleships, destroyers, cruisers, and yes PT boats. So saying that it's a scout doesn't preclude the label Warship. You know, Enterprise D in The Next Generation had how many holodecks? How many diplomatic quarters and banquet halls? When I said it was a warship I was just pointing out that the ship they portrayed in The Next Gen wasn't built for combat the way Voyager seems to have been.


Why would starfleet build 2 warship class vessels to fight the Borg?

um, you do realize that there isn't actually a "starfleet" right? The people who make money selling star trek stuff will design as many ships as they think they can sell. A quick search found these two designed at about the same time, and both (like Voyager) designed to deal with the Borg.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Sovereign_class
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Prometheus_class

It's obvious that when they started making ST:TNG they wanted a light, airy, utopia world where everyone was happy. I guess that didn't get enough viewers so they latched onto the Borg thing and played it up and tried to make the Voyager series and last few movies darker. That explains why, to a casual viewer like me, it seems that Enterprise D wasn't built for combat the way that Voyager was.

Then, I'm guessing when the ratings went south, they started grasping at new straws. "What Voyager lacked," they probably decided, "is that sense of discovery that the original series had." So, they created a new series, Enterprise. Like I said in my first post, they are just jerking people around. This isn't art, like the way an artist has an idea and then turns it into reality. This is commercialism and marketing. I don't see inspiration here, I see TV shows and series driven by necessity. These are sitcoms without the com. They create a situation, be it TNG, Voyager, Enterprise, or whatever, and then pump out show after show until people get tired of it, then move on. These people don't even like Star Trek!

And while we're on the subject of the Borg. Remember that first episode where Q takes Enterprise D to the Delta Quadrant? When the first Borg beams aboard Q says, "they aren't interested in you, only your technology." I believe the whole assimilation thing came later, probably dreamed up by some creative writer trying to make the borg scarier so that he could get his script quota for the month.

Getting back to my idea about miniseries, so many of these problems could be solved by having each season be one cohesive story.

Peteman
2005-Dec-31, 03:36 AM
I think the Intrepid's a combat scout. It's not meant to kick *** the same level as the Defiant, but it's not a pushover. Decent support vessel.

Anyways, back on topic, I think Enterprise was worse. I understand that the best season of Enterprise was the last season, where B&B were not involved except in the first and last few episodes, which were the worst of the season. They should have retired after TNG.

Though Voyager had its fair share of utter crap, Enterprise suffered more from its lack of originality, and its inability to put an interesting twist on it. Also, its introduction of seemingly important plot lines that went nowhere (*cough*temporalcoldwar*cough**cough*). And time travel is often the mark of lack of ideas unless it's the premise.

Scott Bakula, if my theory is correct, I will not forgive you for trying to merge Star Trek with Quantum Leap

tofu
2005-Dec-31, 03:38 AM
Not to beat a dead horse, but this page:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Federation_starship_classes

Lists the Intrepid class as a light cruiser. Definitely a war ship as opposed to "Explorer" which is what they call the Galaxy class (from The Next Gen).

stu
2005-Dec-31, 05:14 AM
I voted Voyager, but like most of you, I think both were pretty darn bad. I think that in the fourth season, Enterprise definitely had some of its best shows, such as the three-part arc with the Vulcans, or the three-part arc with the Romulans. Of course they cancelled it during their best season.

Gullible Jones
2005-Dec-31, 05:16 AM
Why would starfleet build 2 warship class vessels to fight the Borg?

Because all evidence indicates that Starfleet is full of idiots.

(Seriously, who the heck came up with Trek's ships? Those things are utterly fail-deadly... One little thing goes wrong, and BOOM, off they go. And no seatbelts either. Duh.)

Anyway, I'd say Voyager narrowly edges out Enterprise in the cheese department, but both were like being clobbered over the head with a porcupine.

(Warp drives don't pull; they suck!)

Charly
2005-Dec-31, 06:16 AM
Lists the Intrepid class as a light cruiser. Definitely a war ship as opposed to "Explorer" which is what they call the Galaxy class (from The Next Gen).


Defiant Class was the only true warship the Federation built (except that one that split up).

Dont confuse the classification that websites make up to the ships real purpose.

All starfleet ships were multipurpose. Voyager could do everything Enterprise could do, but was just smaller and faster.

And I dont recall seeing anywhere that it was designed to counter the Borg.

At the end of the day, what *should* have happened was Voyager was destroyed easliy after their first enounter with the Borg. More believable, and would have saved us all a lot of time.

erisi236
2005-Dec-31, 03:57 PM
Anybody here ever play Starfleet Battles? Man I played the heck out of that game when I was a teenager. There were so many rules and so many different technologies. But it was all based in the era in which the original Star Trek series, with Kirk and Spock takes place. I think that is the reason that I've always liked the original series.

I sure did, and I still have the 1500+ page tome of a rule book(that is to say all the pages of every rule book choped and placed in a binder) Kazintis were my race of choice :)

Oh and I'd have to say I like Enterprise better, it never did seem liek it was in a universe berfore TOS but I did like the characters quite a lot.

HenrikOlsen
2006-Jan-01, 09:21 PM
Kazintis were my race of choice :)
Those would be the kzinti, big catlike beasties?
They where imported from Larry Niven's Known Space through an episode of the animated series where they didn't bother to modify any of the backstory from the shortstory, so suddently Slavers and Tnuctipun are part of the Star Trek universe.

jt-3d
2006-Jan-01, 10:05 PM
Oops, I thought it was 'which is better' so I clicked Voyager. So -1 Voyager and +1 Enterprise.

I watched both from beginning to end. I liked Voyager better but then it was pretty dull for it's first few seasons too. Voyager started getting good once Janeway let her hair down - literally. That one episode where she doffed her tunic, undid her hair and grabbed a big gun, well several, so she could fight it out with those giant germ things that were flying around. After that I found Voyager more enjoyable.

Enterprise would have gotten better had it not gotten cancelled. The last season was indeed the best though I thought the last episode was an incomprehensible mishmash.

Amazingly I'm getting along fine without any Star Trek. I didn't think I would, though I can never resist posting in a Trek thread.

dave conz
2006-Jan-01, 10:51 PM
I've only seen the first season of Enterprise (free-to-air TV never bothered showing the other seasons here). I'll probably get the rest on DVD one day but I'm not in a hurry.

I preferred Voyager. Sure they stuffed up a lot but I also think there were a lot of great episodes.

A long, long time ago I decided to accept the fact that Trek would always be flawed and not let it stress me. I just take the good bits and pretend the rest of it never happened.

I think a miniseries would be the way to go next with Trek.

novaderrik
2006-Jan-02, 01:52 AM
how did they get 4 seasons out of Enterprise? seems like only a couple of years ago, i watched the world premier.
did they do the same thing as Voyager- with the first and last seasons really only being "half" seasons?

holy crap.. i just checked at startrek.com, and counted 97 episodes of Enterprise..
damn, that's a lot..

Charly
2006-Jan-02, 04:25 AM
holy crap.. i just checked at startrek.com, and counted 97 episodes of Enterprise..
damn, that's a lot..

Almost as many as Babylon 5.

Just goes to show, if you cant find your feet by the end of the first season, then chances are you're just plain rubbish. If you cant manage it after 4 seasons, Brannon Braga or Rick Berman are involved.

Swift
2006-Jan-02, 03:12 PM
Thats like asking if you were speeding on an icy road and saw Rick Berman and Brandon Braga ahead of you, would you:

A: slam the car into a sideslip to take them both out at once.
B: bounce the car off the curb and go one at a time.

They both had promise, and they were both brutally wasted by the ridiculous pandering to the least creative denominator.
My choice would be carefully slow down and stop the car, so as to avoid a skid, go into the back of my truck for some tools, carefully cross the road, so as to avoid slipping on the ice, tie the two of them up, toss them in the back of the truck, and deliver them to a "collective" of angry fans for several years of appropriate torture. I'm open to suggestions about the torture. :D

Moose
2006-Jan-02, 03:21 PM
Endless... Kirkian morality... sililoque.

Basically, disguise B&B as a computer, and tell Kirk he has to confuse them to death.

stu
2006-Jan-11, 06:51 AM
jt-3d mentioned Enterprise's finale ... if we were to rate finales, I'd say they both sucked but that Enterprise's was worse. In Voyager, it seemed as if the writers just abandoned all reality and did something they thought could lead to nice special effects.

But Enterprise was just a total let-down. First, it's the only ('cept the original, which I don't think had an official "finale" per-say) one of the series where the finale was only an hour long. Second, it trivialized the series, in my opinion, by making it take place on a holodeck. It was as if the producers were now saying, "Yeah, we realize that it's not a good series, so we're going to just say it's someone's holo-fun." I have no issues with Riker and Troi - I like them on TNG - but I don't think they had ANY business being in the finale for Enterprise.

ToSeek
2006-Jan-11, 04:03 PM
At one point I remember hoping that Voyager and DS9 would be closed out in tandem, with Voyager returning from the Delta Quadrant with some key information or technology that would help the Federation defeat the Dominion.

phunk
2006-Jan-11, 04:40 PM
jt-3d mentioned Enterprise's finale ... if we were to rate finales, I'd say they both sucked but that Enterprise's was worse. In Voyager, it seemed as if the writers just abandoned all reality and did something they thought could lead to nice special effects.

But Enterprise was just a total let-down. First, it's the only ('cept the original, which I don't think had an official "finale" per-say) one of the series where the finale was only an hour long. Second, it trivialized the series, in my opinion, by making it take place on a holodeck. It was as if the producers were now saying, "Yeah, we realize that it's not a good series, so we're going to just say it's someone's holo-fun." I have no issues with Riker and Troi - I like them on TNG - but I don't think they had ANY business being in the finale for Enterprise.

Not that I want to defend the steaming turd of a finale, but enterprise wasn't set on a holodeck for the whole series, just that one episode was a simulation of a historical event (from riker & troi's point of view). It wasn't meant to be the finale when it was written, they just had to use that episode because they couldn't make any more.

TheGalaxyTrio
2006-Jan-14, 04:23 PM
Voyager by a hair.

I gave up on Voyager when Captain Smurf and The Blonde Doofus turned into lizards, mated, and then were completely system reset. It was explained as accelerated evolution. OK. Humanity is evolving into lizards? Evolution is a prewritten script and will occur exactly the same regarless of the environment? Huh? Tried again wehn they did some Borg, but they couldn't even do that right.

I do credit the show with the best Trek teaser ever: when the Borg cubes are broadcasting their usual "resistance is futile" mantra, and something offscreen blasts them into scrap metal.

Not sure where I gave up on Enterprise. Maybe when they went down to a planet without so much as a scan and got hurt by bad weather or something. I tried again with the rouge planet episode, and got nonsense and preaching ("Well, we gave up hunting on Earth!" Ooooo! Shut up! I'm not even a hunter and I find stuff like that annoying.) And the character I liked best was the one I could tell the writers *wanted* me to dislike.

Oh, wait... I gave up when Trip, the wonder farmboy, got an alien pregnant by sticking his hands in some crystals. I just wanted to toss ebola bombs onto the set. I only watched the series ender to see Trip die.

Tobin Dax
2006-Jan-15, 08:29 AM
Not sure where I gave up on Enterprise. Maybe when they went down to a planet without so much as a scan and got hurt by bad weather or something. I tried again with the rouge planet episode....
Didn't look red to me, IIRC. :D


Oh, wait... I gave up when Trip, the wonder farmboy, got an alien pregnant by sticking his hands in some crystals.
Not sure if I want to mention that *Trip* got pregnant, not the alien. (Futurama did spoof this wonderfully in their first post-cancellation episode.)

I voted for Voyager. I think I saw it under-perform for too long. There were a few diamonds in there, but I don't miss watching it anymore. I'm not really watching too much Enterprise in syndication, either, but it hit it's stride well enough and didn't get the chance to annoy me in it's 5th, 6th, 7th seasons, unlike VOY.

Glom
2006-Jan-15, 02:50 PM
Maybe I allowed myself to get into Voyager due to youthful ignorance. By the time Enterprise came along, I was more critical. Both series screwed up their potential.

Inferno
2006-Jan-18, 02:03 AM
Voyager was a snooze during the first 2 and a half seasons. But towards the end of 3 it picked up. 4 and 5 were actually quite enjoyable. At least from the "turn your brain off" perspective. I found they provided a good viewing when i wanted to see something keep me entertained for 44 minutes. Soemthing with characters and plot already set up.

But I agree with everyone else it could have been so much better. I've heard it described thus - it's not so much that Voyager was bad, it's more that it's impossible to watch it and not think about how much better it could have been.

Enterprise I found somewhat enjoyable, but again failed to really take advantage of the possibilities opened up by setting it in an earlier time. I gave up on it after a few episodes. Mind you alot of that had to do with my tiredness of the trek format, rather than just enterprise itself.

James_Digriz
2006-Jan-18, 02:31 AM
Mind you alot of that had to do with my tiredness of the trek format, rather than just enterprise itself.

I agree. It was the same old episodes. The contagion, the ambassador, the away team in trouble, enemies in space, ship breakdown, ect, ect.

hewhocaves
2006-Jan-18, 05:46 AM
I voted Voyager, which puts it ahead 19 - 18.

to me, Voyager was the "idiot king" of the franchise that brought the house down around them. At the time someone made the remarkt hat Voyager woudl never fly because it was based on the Battlestar Galactica mentality of "running away".
And now BSG is a great show. Weird.

By the time enterprise came on, it was like bottom of the ninth, two out and down by ten runs already. There really was no way to save the franchise and no real expectations of it either. Furthermore, it was on the lowest ranked network (public access TV doesn't count, PBS ranks higher).

This is not to say it was unfairly axed, only that there was little point in trying. It would have had to be written by Shakespeare to have survived and God to have suceeded. By the time the alien space nazis came around, it was time to go.

had the shows orders' been reversed, Enterprise would have probably found it's stride and been as well received as TNG in the end.

Count Zero
2006-Jan-18, 06:44 AM
I gave up on Enterprise when the the whole "Star Trek: 9/11" story arc started. The holes in that plot were big enough to drive a starship through. I mean, what the Xindi did was the equivalent of the Japanese wondering if attiacking Pearl Harbor is possible, building a small carrier, having it launch a few planes that torpedo a battleship, and then saying "Great! Let's go build some more carriers and come back to finish them off!"

But wait! The next thing that happens is that a known, treacherous, hostile power comes along and tells us that the culprit was someone we've never heard of, who live far, far away from Earth. We believe them, and soley on the word of this treacherous, hostile power, we send our fastest, most powerful ship far, far from Earth.

Voyager was not great television. I could take it with the same grain of salt that I did the Original Series. It did not disappoint and tick me off the way Enterprise did.

gethen
2006-Jan-18, 02:40 PM
I voted Voyager. There was not a single episode that I was able to watch all the way through without getting disgusted at the lazy writing. And I cannot think of a single character that I actually liked. Any one of them could have been killed in an episode and I wouldn't have cared. However, I did like the beagle in Enterprize.

V-GER
2006-Jan-19, 12:56 AM
huh, you didn't like Neelix?

but seriously, I think Voyager had its moments, seasons 4 and 5 are very good in my opinion. I especially liked the episodes that concentrated on The Doctor and Seven of Nine.

(I accidentally voted for Voyager...)

Inferno
2006-Jan-19, 01:28 AM
I voted Voyager. There was not a single episode that I was able to watch all the way through without getting disgusted at the lazy writing. And I cannot think of a single character that I actually liked. Any one of them could have been killed in an episode and I wouldn't have cared. However, I did like the beagle in Enterprize.

This is a good point. Apart from The Doctor and later on 7 of 9, all the characters were just so bland and souless. It was like Seventh Heaven in Space.

Count Zero
2006-Jan-19, 05:15 AM
The Doctor and Seven were both what I call "reference characters"; dramatic devices for looking at humanity from the outside. All of the Treks had at least one: Spock, Data, Odo, etc. Their observations about the human experience tended to resonate very strongly. As the Doctor became more human, his usefulness in this role threatened to decline. Seven's arrival was fortuitous, because it provided a fresh reference character, and it also gave the Doctor someone to play off of. He became her main teacher about humanity, but he himself was not human. This odd relationship was easily my favorite thing about Voyager.

V-GER
2006-Jan-19, 10:46 PM
Seven's arrival was fortuitous, because it provided a fresh reference character, and it also gave the Doctor someone to play off of. He became her main teacher about humanity, but he himself was not human. This odd relationship was easily my favorite thing about Voyager.

How true, this was especially well played in one of my all time favourite episodes Someone To Watch Over Me.

Daniel H.
2006-Jan-20, 06:19 AM
jt-3d mentioned Enterprise's finale ... if we were to rate finales, I'd say they both sucked but that Enterprise's was worse. In Voyager, it seemed as if the writers just abandoned all reality and did something they thought could lead to nice special effects.

But Enterprise was just a total let-down. First, it's the only ('cept the original, which I don't think had an official "finale" per-say) one of the series where the finale was only an hour long. Second, it trivialized the series, in my opinion, by making it take place on a holodeck. It was as if the producers were now saying, "Yeah, we realize that it's not a good series, so we're going to just say it's someone's holo-fun." I have no issues with Riker and Troi - I like them on TNG - but I don't think they had ANY business being in the finale for Enterprise.

Well, part of the problem with Enterprise's finale was that it was written by The guys responsible for Voyager and the first three seasons of Enterprise. Not by the guy responsible for most of season four of Enterprise, and about the only one to do some stuff that really remembers "Hey we're shortly before the founding of the Federation. Let's show the first steps that led to it." In short it was written by the two burned out guys that were kind of annoyed at being shoved asside, not by the guy trying to actually do something with the series.

gopher65
2006-Jan-20, 01:49 PM
I didn't like a single character on Enterprise. I found them all bland and boring. On Voyager I liked The Doctor and Seven of Nine. Therefore I voted Enterprise.

On the note of the time travel plot, I actually liked it. Or I would have liked it had it been done better:P. I don't ask for a lot from my scifi, so I am horribly disappointed when a show can't even manage to keep someone like me entertained. The only episode of enterprise I like is the 3 part romulan episode near the end of the series. That was an OK episode. There were one or 4 other episodes that peaked my interest, but ultimately disappointed me.

oooo One thing I loved about enterprise was the Alternate Universe opening credits. It was neat watching that scene where the pre-enterprise warp ship is suppose to magestically fly over the lunarbase, but instead it lobs a couple photon gernades at the base hehehehe. Awesome music as well.

hewhocaves
2006-Jan-21, 02:26 AM
However, I did like the beagle in Enterprize.

I'm partial to beagles myself and would have watched it for Porthos' air time.

Here's my mom's current beagle the day we got him from the kennel. He makes a much better pet than, say, Neelix.

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/27952329/

John