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banquo's_bumble_puppy
2006-Jan-12, 05:58 PM
I remember watching "Robinson Carsoe on Mars" when I was a kid and I thought it was was neatest thing since sliced bread...anyways a couple of years ago I saw it again....oh to be a kid again....

banquo's_bumble_puppy
2006-Jan-12, 05:59 PM
ps...probably most sci-fi that we watched as kids seems that way now....

Moose
2006-Jan-12, 06:03 PM
Buck Rogers. Erin Grey was teh hot, but my goodness was the movie ever cheesy. The party scene where Buck and Ardala "get down and boogie" was... undescribable.

In my defense, I knew Twiggy was cheesy even as a kid.

SolusLupus
2006-Jan-12, 06:06 PM
Star Wars. Yeah, yeah, I know I'd probably get burned by the Star Wars fanboys, but Star Wars seems a lot more cheesy to me now than it did when I first saw it. So sue me.

Gillianren
2006-Jan-12, 06:13 PM
Well, if you're going to get in trouble, so am I--Star Trek. And I mean the original series. By the time Next Gen was on, I could see what was cheesy about it, but I liked it anyway. For one, no Captain Kirk and the Alien Women.

Gruesome
2006-Jan-12, 06:16 PM
I'll agree with Lonewulf about Star Wars. I picked up the original trilogy on DVD a few weeks back. I hadn't seen the movie in probably ten years and...wow...what a bad looking movie.

And all the updates Lucas did, nary helped matters a bit.

Have to agree with Moose about Buck Rogers, too. One line from the series that still makes me chuckle is when some dude calls Buck "Erf trash". Hilarious.

Nowhere Man
2006-Jan-12, 06:19 PM
Heh. Gerry Anderson's stuff: Thunderbirds, Fireball XL-5, Supercar. 'Nuff siad.

Fred

Halcyon Dayz
2006-Jan-12, 09:20 PM
Dr. Who.
Some people of-course never grow out of it. :D

(Duck and cover...)

hippietrekx
2006-Jan-12, 09:58 PM
I'm still a kid, but...

X-files. I remember watching in the '90s when I was, what, five? It's not the effects that seem hokey, just Mulder and Scully. They've really got 2-D personalities...

--hipster

Charly
2006-Jan-12, 10:28 PM
The green slime!

Just watched Forbidden Planet. Women sure fell in love quickly during the 50s.

Swift
2006-Jan-12, 11:07 PM
Heh. Gerry Anderson's stuff: Thunderbirds, Fireball XL-5, Supercar. 'Nuff siad.

Fred
I loved Thunderbirds, it was about my favorite.
How about Lost in Space (the TV program) - not a favorite but I always watched it (actually, I thought it was goofy back then too).

Maksutov
2006-Jan-13, 11:31 AM
I remember watching "Robinson Carsoe on Mars" when I was a kid and I thought it was was neatest thing since sliced bread...anyways a couple of years ago I saw it again....oh to be a kid again....Was Robinson one of the Mighty Carsoe Art Players (http://kennebecjournal.mainetoday.com/news/local/1320671.shtml), derived of course from the Mighty Allen Art Players? http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/566/iconwink6tn.gif

For me it was This Island Earth. In the theater in 1955 it was spectacular, but later, especially after my knowledge of astronomy, physics, and science in general had improved, it was rather clunky here and there. I mean come on, a insectoid mutant wearing pants?

Nevertheless, it was one of the first scifi movies to give extended glimpses of another world outside the solar system, and established many of the conventions of scifi movie/TV scripts: galactic barrier anyone (ST TOS)?

Gas Giant
2006-Jan-13, 03:24 PM
Heh. Gerry Anderson's stuff: Thunderbirds, Fireball XL-5, Supercar. 'Nuff siad.
On that note, Space:1999, especially the second season.

Oddly, I still have a soft spot for UFO. I think it's the theme music.

Lianachan
2006-Jan-13, 03:45 PM
I saw The Martian Chronicles when I was a young'un, and I loved it. I've never seen it since, and retain fuzzy and warm thoughts about it's brilliance.

Anybody who's seen it more recently - is this one I'd likely find to be "really hokey" if I managed to see it again somehow?

Nethius
2006-Jan-13, 04:06 PM
The Black Hole

R.A.F.
2006-Jan-13, 04:21 PM
Wouldn't even have thought of this except lately it's been on adult swim...

Gigantor (http://www.gigantor.org/)

Nowhere Man
2006-Jan-13, 05:07 PM
Wouldn't even have thought of this except lately it's been on adult swim...

Gigantor (http://www.gigantor.org/)And that reminds me of Astro Boy. I only saw a few episodes, way back when.

Fred

soylentgreen
2006-Jan-13, 06:43 PM
The Black Hole

That's exactly the one I was thinking of. I loved that movie and made my folks take me to see it twice when I was 9. Now over twenty years later, I have a little difficulty getting past the dubious science...but man, Dr. Reinhardt and Maximillian still make a menacing pair!

I'll be real honest for a moment....when I saw E.T. in the theater at age 12, I was profoundly affected. Nowadays, I can't understand how anyone remotely near my age(my wife, for example!)can watch it. It's so...well, maudlin.
YET...
CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND, a film I saw 5 years earlier, still gets better each time I see it. And when I saw that in the movies, the 'abduction of Barry' sequence terrified me so thoroughly, my mother had to take me out to the lobby for a few minutes.

(note: a few years ago, when CE3K was re-released for a short time, I was given a rare chance to conquer that skeleton in my cinematic closet by sitting through the entire film in a theater. :o )

Kelfazin
2006-Jan-13, 07:14 PM
....when I saw E.T. in the theater at age 12, I was profoundly affected....

This is the movie that scared me lol. I couldn't stand watching that creepy little thing with his extendo-neck and scratchy voice.

As for the topic, when I watched TRON as a kid I was amazed. I used to wish so hard that if I held onto the cardboard tube from the paper towel roll hard enough it would turn into a light cycle. And I tought myself to throw a Frisbee in an overhand motion, "just like TRON throws it".

And now, watching as an adult, I must admit that the graphics and story line are pretty cheesy, and it doesn't have the same effect on kids of the current generation as it did on mine. But I still like to watch it :)

peter eldergill
2006-Jan-13, 07:18 PM
Return of the Jedi for me. I thought it was the best movie ever made when I was a kid.

I know it's not sci fi, but the animated Dungeons and Dragons....I saw it a couple of years ago and it is absolutely horrible! I remember loving it as a kid.

Battlestar Galactica (original) is unwatchable.

X-files I can't watch anymore either

Pete

Disinfo Agent
2006-Jan-13, 07:20 PM
Battlestar Galactica. Not unwatchable for me, but definitely not as good as it felt, at that impressionable age.

redshifter
2006-Jan-13, 07:53 PM
I agree with the Star Trek (the original series), Battlestar Galactica (the original series) and Buck Rogers references. All pretty cheesy, but I ate 'em up. Princess Ardala was sure hot though...

HenrikOlsen
2006-Jan-14, 02:06 AM
Space:1999 for me, I was right in the middle of the target demographic the first time, very definitely not the second time.

James_Digriz
2006-Jan-14, 02:22 AM
I think what we need is to post what's not still hokey.

I still like the 84 Flash Gordon, the first King Kong and Godzilla movies, Forbidden Planet, Battlestar Galactica, Dr Who and Star Trek.

Buck Rogers though. Yikes. Even as a kid I knew that show was hokey. The dance with Ardala was just majorly uncomfortable. And Twiki lusting after all the female actresses. Good back then but not as much anymore. Really loved Erin Grey.

Lord Jubjub
2006-Jan-14, 03:25 AM
Star Trek TOS definitely, though it still has some good episodes.

Star Wars is VERY swashbuckling, but I wasn't allowed to see the first two when they were released. I was a teenager when I saw RotJ. Liked it then but I found myself rather less enthused as an adult. The second trilogy tries too hard to complete the story. Lucas is definitely not on Tolkien's level when it comes to creating backstory.

As an adult, I saw Forbidden Planet. Definitely something with a Twilight Zone feel, but I thought it was as good as anything Hollywood presents as sci-fi today.

Obviousman
2006-Jan-14, 08:42 AM
Seems everyone has mentioned the ones I loved as a kid.

Fireball XL5 especially, and I was a big Gerry Anderson fan for all the latter programmes. UFO was good because it had a bit of 'grit' to the plots (Straker vs Gen Henderson, etc) - not deep, but better than Thundersbirds et al.

Gigantor was great, too. Who didn't want their own giant robot?

And MarineBoy - we used to 'play' MarineBoy using sticks of chewing gum as the 'oxy gum'!

Musashi
2006-Jan-14, 09:30 AM
Robotech.

Voltron.

Kelfazin
2006-Jan-15, 07:15 AM
Robotech.

Voltron.


G-Force

soylentgreen
2006-Jan-15, 11:31 PM
Voltron.

Lions or Vehicles, Musashi? ;)

I myself was partial to the Lion Force version(Voltron III, I think). I remember racing home after school each day to catch it. The Ro-Beast that Haggar had in mind for the good guys was the highlight of each episode, but I was pretty caught up in the "struggle against Prince Lotor" story arc...more involved than any other cartoon I can remember watching at the time.

Conversely, I could never really get involved in the vehicle Voltron. And after the story line reached its end, I never got into another giant robot...er...I mean I never got interested in another giant robot again. :o

peter eldergill
2006-Jan-16, 12:17 AM
G-Force

Well, to be fair about that one, the "American" version of it was crap....

They rewrote the premise of the entire series! They had to edit out so much material due to violence and a pretty bad potty mouth on Keyop that they invented and reanimated an entire new character, 7-Zark-7.

I've seen some of the original Japanese one "Gatchaman". Still pretty hokey but at least the stories made a bit of sense.

Check out some of the fan websites for more details

L8R

Pete

Lianachan
2006-Jan-16, 12:23 AM
G-Force

Over here, that was called Battle Of The Planets - did it go by different names in different countries? I know quite a lot of things do/did.

(I liked Battle Of The Planets, but haven't seen it in a long time)

peter eldergill
2006-Jan-16, 12:29 AM
I think you'll be a bit dissapointed if you see the dubbed AMerican version (same with Robotech)

It originally was a Japanese animated show

Pete

Lianachan
2006-Jan-16, 12:41 AM
I think you'll be a bit dissapointed if you see the dubbed AMerican version (same with Robotech)

It originally was a Japanese animated show

Pete
I would tend to think you're right about the dubbed US version, I usually can't stand that kind of thing.

I've never seen it in it's original Japanese state. I don't think I'd like that much either, though. I liked Battle Of The Planets!

Moose
2006-Jan-16, 12:50 AM
Over here, that was called Battle Of The Planets - did it go by different names in different countries? I know quite a lot of things do/did.

(I liked Battle Of The Planets, but haven't seen it in a long time)

Yeah, the show was called Battle of the Planets when it aired in Canada, as I (barely) recall, but I was a big fan as a kid. I vaguely remember that the whole Keyop and 7-Zark-7 thing felt like a big non-sequitor. Sort of like the reporter in the "engrish" versions of the Godzilla flicks, a misguided and ultimately futile attempt to have the movie make some sort of sense to North American audiences. :D And I say this as an almost fan of the genre.

As for Voltron, I used to watch that religiously. Both vehicles and lions. (I preferred the lions, but the evacuation story arc on the vehicle side was compelling to me. Gave the "bad guys" some depth and sympathy.)

... Even got the lion voltron set for Christmas one year. Darn spiffy christmas, I have to say. Made out like a bandit on that one. ;)

And then Robotech. Actually, I still find that roughly as watchable as I did as a kid. Even got the DVD sets (all three) so that I could finally see the latter half of the third series. The parts that never actually aired on the local stations.

The short-run Sentinels half-series was absolutely painful to watch. Admiral Hayes-Hunter's hair looked lethally rigid. She could have impaled someone just by tripping. Breetai's helmet looked awful, and I say that as a fan of both Breetai and Robocop. They also butchered Exedore's look. Meh. Meh. Meh.

Chuck
2006-Jan-16, 02:13 AM
Commando Cody: Sky Marshal of the Universe (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045382)

Moose
2006-Jan-16, 02:37 AM
Hee hee, I just remembered something. In the Robotech novelizations, which tend to be a bit darker and rougher than the shows ever managed to be, and remembering how Breetai and Gloval used culture shock to get the jump on Dolza's forces, some "random pilot" observes that had they had some Swedish porn tapes available when Dolza's fleet showed up, they could have ended the war on the spot!

The books were worth reading until "Jack McKinney" stopped being a duo.

James_Digriz
2006-Jan-16, 03:07 AM
Thundercats.

Selenite
2006-Jan-16, 05:05 AM
Anything by Irwin Allen:

Time Tunnel

Lost in Space

Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea

Land of the Giants

Watched Seaquest DSV a few weeks ago on the Sci-Fi Channel. It hasn't aged well either.

James_Digriz
2006-Jan-16, 05:08 AM
Anything by Irwin Allen:
Lost in Space

Really? I am always this close to buying the first season on DVD.

Selenite
2006-Jan-16, 05:33 AM
About the only thing I find redeeming nowdays about LiS and the rest of Irwin Allen's 1960's sci-fi television efforts is the theme music for all four was done by composer John Williams (then credited as "Johnny Williams") who later hooked up with Spielberg and Lucas and the rest is history.

Kelfazin
2006-Jan-16, 07:32 AM
I think you'll be a bit dissapointed if you see the dubbed AMerican version (same with Robotech)

It originally was a Japanese animated show

Pete


Actually most of what I know of G-Force was that when I was a very little kid, my brother liked it, but I only remember small pieces of the show (like the guy grabbing a handle and flinging himself down a tunnel to his vehicle..maybe?). And since Big Bro liked it, I naturally liked it as well. But then I saw it again years ago on the cartoon network and couldn't sit through a full episode. So in truth I didn't even know I was watching a different version than the original.

The shows I do remember well from my childhood are cartoons like MASK, and Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, and *cringe* He-Man. But now, as a 30 year old man, the only cartoons that I can still watch are the Looney Tunes..they never get old :)

I haven't seen any episodes of Air Wolf or Street Hawk since they were still regular series, but I would imagine those are pretty cheesy too lol. And how about The Greatest American Hero..anybody seen those since they came out on DVD?

Roy Batty
2006-Jan-16, 01:54 PM
I saw The Martian Chronicles when I was a young'un, and I loved it. I've never seen it since, and retain fuzzy and warm thoughts about it's brilliance.

Anybody who's seen it more recently - is this one I'd likely find to be "really hokey"
I saw it again about 6 or so years ago... still brilliant!! (even if Mr Bradbury was less than impressed).


If I managed to see it again somehow?DVD on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002CR03Q/002-2023418-3501603?v=glance&n=130) ... going to get a copy! :cool:

R.A.F.
2006-Jan-16, 02:41 PM
But now, as a 30 year old man, the only cartoons that I can still watch are the Looney Tunes..they never get old :)

This is very true...I particularly like the Bugs, Daffy, and Elmer cartoons...unlike for instance, disney cartoons, the WB cartoons are as "fresh" now, as when they were made...

Rabbit season, Duck season...Elmer season? :)

Lianachan
2006-Jan-16, 07:33 PM
Rabbit season, Duck season...Elmer season? :)

I, err, still shout "Duck season!" at anybody who ends their sentence with the word "season". I just can't help myself.

:whistle:

Darasen
2006-Jan-16, 07:57 PM
Highlander ( the originakl movie) Still a good movie IMHO but it certainly has its' elements of cheese.

aurora
2006-Jan-16, 09:14 PM
Space Ghost.

weatherc
2006-Jan-16, 11:47 PM
Highlander ( the originakl movie) Still a good movie IMHO but it certainly has its' elements of cheese.Sorry, had to be done. (http://www.angryalien.com/0905/highlanderbuns.asp):D

Fr. Wayne
2006-Jan-17, 12:29 AM
The Day the Earth Stood Still - my fav
V- theSeries -one I'd like to see

James_Digriz
2006-Jan-17, 03:01 AM
Sorry, had to be done. (http://www.angryalien.com/0905/highlanderbuns.asp):D

Whaaaaaaaaaat! Sacrilege! Blasphemy! Desecration! Damning Denunciation! Fulmination! Malediction! Objuration! Profanation! Vilification! Heresy! Impiety! Kibosh! Obloquy! Debasement! Defilement! Impudence! Unmannerliness! Degradation! Ravishment and Spoliation!

No, just kidding. I have 56k so I got tired of waiting and didn't see it. Great movie though. I always liked how that redhead had the hots for him and then all of a sudden: "No, burn him!!! Burn himmmmmmm!!!!!" You can't live with em, and you can't live without em. ;)

Lianachan
2006-Jan-17, 07:48 AM
One of my friends was in Highlander, as an extra, so I'm not sure if I'm allowed to not like it. Actually, I haven't seen it for years and can't remember it clearly enough to guess what I'd think of it these days. I remember thinking at the time that it was entertaining.

Roy Batty
2006-Jan-17, 06:45 PM
Ok, I'm ashamed to admit I liked Knight Rider. Just for the car, honest! .. oh wait is that worse? ;)

hewhocaves
2006-Jan-17, 07:35 PM
Star Blazers.

Although it's weathered better than, say, GI Joe and Transformers, I had forgotten how low budget the series really was. That doesn't mean however that I've gotten over my compulsion to sing the theme song in the shower regularly, or that I got the whole first series from Netflix two summers ago. And the phrase "wave motion gun" still crops up in my vocabulary far too frequently.

He-Man.

While not technically scifi, it was bad... really bad. Really, REALLY bad. Since I started to collect the action figures BEFORE the series came out, I was used to the more serious little 'books' that came with each figure. Prince Adam is, IMHO still an abomination, along with Orko. Years later I could still make a room of geeky guys bust out laughing by reciting the opening monolgue to that series with a really really gay lisp. (Hi. I'm Adam. Prince of Eternia... ....FaaaAAAaabulous secrets were revealed to me...)

Transformers.

You got the touch. 'Nuff said.

I'm trying to think of what else might have been on in the early 80s that might qualify, but not much that hasn't been already said. There was Thundarr! the Barbarian (which had a runaway planet passing us in 1994) on saturday mornings and was a cross between Concan and Star Wars.

Oh god. "Droids" and "Ewoks". Shoot me now. A vile premonition of things to come. Lucas not only wasn't Tolkein. he wasn't even Doctor Seuss.

John

SolusLupus
2006-Jan-17, 10:15 PM
Man, I've been soooo getting into Star Wars with "KOTOR" (Knights of the Old Republic), which uses the Star Wars D20 system. Y'know, it's not that bad; lots of fans of Star Wars really pulled together and made a very interesting galaxy(ies?). Of course, the D20 system is based on the D6 system. Not sure where all the research for the D6 system came from, but I'm pretty sure it's a mix of the movies and the books.

Lots of people like to discard the books entirely, but I don't really see why. They contribute a lot more than the movies themselves, and make a lot of things "fit" a lot nicer.

I can't wait to get a good computer... then I can really launch myself into Star Wars: Galaxies. Of course, this will be preferably after I'm busy with schoolwork and tutoring as a job.

Either way, I like the game better than the movies. Also, I make my own interpretations here and there. Still, it's hard for me to take Star Wars seriously; even at it's very best, ignoring erroneous ignorance (willful or not!) of physics, added to seeming lack of continuity in story, and the silly moments (Ewoks killing stormtroopers... ugh... a well-trained, well-armed army being beaten by teddy bears with sticks and stones... ridiculous), ignoring ALL OF THAT, it still, at it's best, was an Errol Flynn type movie. Heavy on action, with lots of flips and leaps, etc. Doesn't need to be too serious, but you do need a defined "bad guy", that blows up planets to show how evil he really is.

Doodler
2006-Jan-17, 10:23 PM
Although it's weathered better than, say, GI Joe and Transformers

As much as the shows themselves have aged very poorly, their respective movies are still perfectly watchable to me. Particularly the Transformers movie. It has its elements of cheese, but the writer's willingness to actually feature the permanent deaths of long featured characters from the series still stands out to me. It was a technological bloodbath that would have brought a tear to Shakespeare's eye.

Moose
2006-Jan-18, 12:43 AM
Oh god. "Droids" and "Ewoks". Shoot me now. A vile premonition of things to come. Lucas not only wasn't Tolkein. he wasn't even Doctor Seuss.

Hehehe. Actually, as a kid, I'd found Droids slightly watchable. Ewoks, on the other hand, was just painful.

While I could get a nostalgia kick out of watching He-Man as an adult, I have no doubt an Ewoks revival would prove as weakening to me as krypotonite to Superman.

Lianachan
2006-Jan-18, 12:48 AM
While I could get a nostalgia kick out of watching He-Man as an adult, I have no doubt an Ewoks revival would prove as weakening to me as krypotonite to Superman.

I had to watch Ewoks the other day, my (three year old) son wanted to see it.

It was about as weakening to me, and I daresay you, as a kryptonite crucifix would be to Superdracula.

Van Rijn
2006-Jan-18, 12:58 AM
They weren't all favorites, but I liked them: Time Tunnel, Land of the Giants, Lost in Space, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea. Yeesh, they were bad.

I really liked Batman (which often had science fiction themes) when I was young. Years later I finally started getting the jokes but I didn't like it anymore.

I liked UFO but couldn't stand Space:1999 - but I was older when I saw Space: 1999.

I can still stand to watch the first season of Buck Rogers. It is silly, but for its time they did try to throw in some half decent science fiction ideas. I couldn't watch the second season when it came on the air originally.

James_Digriz
2006-Jan-18, 01:02 AM
I really liked Batman (which often had science fiction themes) when I was young. Years later I finally started getting the jokes but I didn't like it anymore.

I can still stand to watch the first season of Buck Rogers. It is silly, but for its time they did try to throw in some half decent science fiction ideas. I couldn't watch the second season when it came on the air originally.

Ah yes, Batman. When I learned that girls were different from boys thanks to Catwoman and Batgirl. You go girls.

I agree. They tried to make the second season of Buck Rogers serious and it flopped.

Gillianren
2006-Jan-18, 01:31 AM
I give a friend of mine a cheesy movie every Christmas. There are a handful of complicated requirements for choosing it, not the least of which is "it's less than $10 at Target." A year ago, I got him the Adam West movie version of Batman, which has commentary even. One of these days, we're going to get together to watch it. (On the other hand, the previous year's selection, The Poseidon Adventure, is still in its original shrinkwrap.)

hewhocaves
2006-Jan-18, 01:37 AM
Man, I've been soooo getting into Star Wars with "KOTOR" (Knights of the Old Republic), which uses the Star Wars D20 system. Y'know, it's not that bad; lots of fans of Star Wars really pulled together and made a very interesting galaxy(ies?). Of course, the D20 system is based on the D6 system. Not sure where all the research for the D6 system came from, but I'm pretty sure it's a mix of the movies and the books.

Lots of people like to discard the books entirely, but I don't really see why. They contribute a lot more than the movies themselves, and make a lot of things "fit" a lot nicer.

I can't wait to get a good computer... then I can really launch myself into Star Wars: Galaxies. Of course, this will be preferably after I'm busy with schoolwork and tutoring as a job.

Either way, I like the game better than the movies. Also, I make my own interpretations here and there. Still, it's hard for me to take Star Wars seriously; even at it's very best, ignoring erroneous ignorance (willful or not!) of physics, added to seeming lack of continuity in story, and the silly moments (Ewoks killing stormtroopers... ugh... a well-trained, well-armed army being beaten by teddy bears with sticks and stones... ridiculous), ignoring ALL OF THAT, it still, at it's best, was an Errol Flynn type movie. Heavy on action, with lots of flips and leaps, etc. Doesn't need to be too serious, but you do need a defined "bad guy", that blows up planets to show how evil he really is.

Galaxies was and is terrible. Don't waste your money. Talk about grinding and being a Jedi isn't all it's cracked up to be.
City of Heroes is a pretty good alternative. You can probably get close to a year out of it. I've been playing a little World of Warcraft mostly because my brother-in-law has been on my case to play. While it's visually impressive, it's also grind, grind, grind.
In the end all the MMOs are the same. Even Dungeons and Dragons online doesn't promise anything different. Neverwinter nights 2, on the other hand might be worth the long term investemnt. It has two things going for it. One: it's suposed to be massively moddable AND filled with eye candy. And two, it's being developed by Feargus Urquhart's company, Obsidian. Feargus is the brains behing KOTOR, Icewind Dale and Planescape: Torrent, all games that feature the very best of storytelling. But he is best known for being behind the classics "Fallout" and "Fallout 2". He's one of the few lead designers I will still consider buying a product from sight unseen.

The D6 system got most of its info from the novels and the movies with a touch of the designers making stuff up on their own. it was an ok system for low levels, but it started to fall apart once you became a jedi master.

Getting back to the original topic... "Land of the Lost" was another cheesey series that got mouldier with age.

James_Digriz
2006-Jan-18, 01:38 AM
I give a friend of mine a cheesy movie every Christmas. There are a handful of complicated requirements for choosing it, not the least of which is "it's less than $10 at Target." A year ago, I got him the Adam West movie version of Batman, which has commentary even. One of these days, we're going to get together to watch it. (On the other hand, the previous year's selection, The Poseidon Adventure, is still in its original shrinkwrap.)

The Poseiden Adventure is a cheezy movie? I liked that one back in the day. Michael Caine, the upsidedown cars and all. Great Stuff. I remember in the batman movie he was trying to chase some bad guy and he had to keep stopping to help a grandma, kids, a kitten, ect. Hilarious.

MrClean
2006-Jan-18, 01:54 AM
Quark

James_Digriz
2006-Jan-18, 01:57 AM
Quark

You've seen it recently? I always imagined that would still be cool.

Inferno
2006-Jan-18, 02:07 AM
Treasure Island in Outer Space.

As a kid anything involving space travel was sheer gold (well, that and transforming robots).

James_Digriz
2006-Jan-18, 02:28 AM
As a kid anything involving space travel was sheer gold (well, that and transforming robots).

Oh to be a kid today. I remember when I was a kid and the only thing Star Wars besides the movies was the comics and the Star Wars Christmas Special. Now there are books, comics and animation galore. ...Sigh...

Doodler
2006-Jan-18, 03:40 AM
Galaxies was and is terrible.

Galaxies was fine until the "New Game Experience". The Jump to Lightspeed expansion was amazing.

James_Digriz
2006-Jan-18, 03:43 AM
Galaxies was fine until the "New Game Experience". The Jump to Lightspeed expansion was amazing.

I always wanted to play Paranoia. That was a great concept for a game. Sci-Fi setting and your all trying to do each other in like Spy vs Spy.

hewhocaves
2006-Jan-18, 05:03 AM
Galaxies was fine until the "New Game Experience". The Jump to Lightspeed expansion was amazing.

I played it for the first three or four months and dropped it like a dead fish. By the time Lightspeed came out, my disks were performing the only task left that they could - as coasters for clumsy guests.

Paranioa, on the other hand... that game is awesome. A friend and I once played a pick up game at a local RPG store. Because we had played before, we started out as security level orange while all the other troubleshooters started out as your standard reds. We spent several worthwhile hours slaughtering those nasty commie mutant traitors (read: our teammates). We wound up with green rankings before they wised up :-D

If you've never heard or played the game, this is the blurb from the official site:

<begin blurb>
The Computer is happy. The Computer is crazy. The Computer will help you become happy. This will drive you crazy. Being a citizen of Alpha Complex is fun. The Computer says so, and The Computer is your friend. Many traitors threaten Alpha Complex. Many happy citizens live in Alpha Complex. Most happy citizens are crazy. Which are more dangerous—traitors or happy citizens?

Rooting out traitors will make you happy. The Computer tells you so. If you are not happy, The Computer will use you as reactor shielding. Being a Troubleshooter is fun. The Computer tells you so. Do you doubt The Computer, citizen? Troubleshooters get shot at, stabbed, mangled, incinerated, poisoned, stapled, blown to bits and accidentally executed. This is so much fun many Troubleshooters go crazy. You work with many Troubleshooters. They all carry lasers. Aren’t you glad you have a laser too? Won’t this be fun?

Stay alert! Trust no one! Keep your laser handy!

When PARANOIA was first published almost 20 years ago, amid fears of nuclear war and job loss to those newfangled desktop PCs, it was instantly popular for its vision of a high-tech, post-holocaust, totalitarian future ruled by a deranged Computer. It won attention too for turning the basic paradigm of RPGs—players cooperate—on its head, making all players secret traitors who can only advance by uncovering treason.

Happily, today those fears are obsolete. Instead, we have spam, viruses, trojans, malware, distributed denial of service attacks, the RIAA, cyberwarfare, identify theft, terrorists, the Patriot Act, terrifying new diseases, the threat of environmental catastrophe, the grey goo scenario, and weapons of mass destruction.
<end blurb>

getting back to the OT, I particuarly liked the Batman reunion TV special that came out a couple of years ago. (apparantly it's on DVD now). Adam West is IMHO one of those rare people who is perfectly happy living within the role life has provided him with and I think that's great.

Moose
2006-Jan-18, 11:31 AM
Neverwinter nights 2, on the other hand might be worth the long term investemnt. It has two things going for it. One: it's suposed to be massively moddable AND filled with eye candy. And two, it's being developed by Feargus Urquhart's company, Obsidian. Feargus is the brains behing KOTOR, Icewind Dale and Planescape: Torrent, all games that feature the very best of storytelling. But he is best known for being behind the classics "Fallout" and "Fallout 2". He's one of the few lead designers I will still consider buying a product from sight unseen.

KOTOR 2, not KOTOR. KOTOR was Bioware's brainchild.

The thing with Black Isle / Obsidian software is that while the storytelling may be superb (and their plotlines nearly always involve byzantinian moral ambiguity, my favorite!), they nearly always end up releasing games that are seriously buggy and borderline incomplete, but are simply three steps short of brilliance.

Bioware has the clout to say "When it's done". Obsidian, however, is at the mercy of the publishers. Hence Lucasarts pushing KOTOR 2 out the door grossly unfinished. Fallout 2 had the same problem. It took six patches before they ran out of game-killers to fix.

Icewind Dale was stable enough, I grant, so they can do a good job if the publisher is smart enough to let them.

Ari Jokimaki
2006-Jan-18, 12:47 PM
I was a great fan of The Six Million Dollar Man when I was a kid. Not so much anymore as I tried to watch it for the second time. Well, it's still worth of some laughs, but most of the stuff in it is just so stupid that it's not even funny.

Faultline
2006-Jan-18, 01:51 PM
Barbarella.

But wait, it was cheesy back then, too. I just enjoyed the glimpses of Jane Fonda's psychocartiograph.

In that case, I'd have to pick Star Trek III.

Why did the aluminum have to be clear? Oh yeah, so the audience could see the special effect.

Moose
2006-Jan-18, 02:01 PM
But wait, it was cheesy back then, too. I just enjoyed the glimpses of Jane Fonda's psychocartiograph.

Is that what they're calling it now? :D


In that case, I'd have to pick Star Trek III.

Why did the aluminum have to be clear? Oh yeah, so the audience could see the special effect.

I think you mean IV. The "transparent aluminium" was in "The Search For More Money". They'd already found Spock by then.

Doodler
2006-Jan-18, 04:29 PM
getting back to the OT, I particuarly liked the Batman reunion TV special that came out a couple of years ago. (apparantly it's on DVD now). Adam West is IMHO one of those rare people who is perfectly happy living within the role life has provided him with and I think that's great.

He is one of the few guys who looks good not taking himself seriously. Of course, with all the behind the scenes action he got out of the Batman role, I have no doubt he looks back fondly on his days in tights.

jrkeller
2006-Jan-18, 07:47 PM
Lost in Space, especially years 2 and 3.

Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea - the movie

Maksutov
2006-Jan-18, 08:28 PM
He is one of the few guys who looks good not taking himself seriously. Of course, with all the behind the scenes action he got out of the Batman role, I have no doubt he looks back fondly on his days in tights.His running around with that bomb still produces chuckles here. Too bad they weren't starbursts: I could provide predictions! :lol:

Who would have guessed that 35 years later he'd be the mayor of Quahog, Rhode Island?

Maksutov
2006-Jan-18, 08:37 PM
The Poseiden Adventure is a cheezy movie? I liked that one back in the day. Michael Caine, the upsidedown cars and all. Great Stuff. I remember in the batman movie he was trying to chase some bad guy and he had to keep stopping to help a grandma, kids, a kitten, ect. Hilarious.Michael Caine? Sure you're not thinking of Gene Hackman? And were those upside down bars? Don't recall any cars.

R.I.P., Belle Rosen: Shelley Winters, swimmer extrordinaire.

Doodler
2006-Jan-18, 08:52 PM
His running around with that bomb still produces chuckles here. Too bad they weren't starbursts: I could provide predictions! :lol:

Who would have guessed that 35 years later he'd be the mayor of Quahog, Rhode Island?

I think that has a lot to do with how shocked people are to see the other side of the person when they meet them and they're not being goofy. In a way, it works to their advantage because the shift in perception is so dramatic, it stops you in your tracks and garners more attention than you might otherwise give someone who's more known as the straight man.

Sonny Bono, Robin Williams, Tom Hanks, and to a lesser extent Jim Carrey, and even Cheech Marin, have all seen the benefit of the double take when they step out of the "character" they've built up, and show you what they've really got to offer.

Roy Batty
2006-Jan-18, 08:55 PM
The Poseiden Adventure is a cheezy movie? I liked that one back in the day. Michael Caine, the upsidedown cars and all. Great Stuff. I remember in the batman movie he was trying to chase some bad guy and he had to keep stopping to help a grandma, kids, a kitten, ect. Hilarious.

Michael Caine? Sure you're not thinking of Gene Hackman? And were those upside down bars? Don't recall any cars.

R.I.P., Belle Rosen: Shelley Winters, swimmer extrordinaire.
Arrgh! I think the original reference was to the terrible sequel:
Beyond the Poseidon Adventure (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078856/) :D

Doodler
2006-Jan-18, 10:38 PM
Yeah, I was remembering another one with Telly Savalas.... Gawd what a waste of celluloid.:hand:

James_Digriz
2006-Jan-19, 12:16 AM
Michael Caine? Sure you're not thinking of Gene Hackman? And were those upside down bars? Don't recall any cars.[/I]

There was. It was the car parking area on the boat.

Inferno
2006-Jan-19, 01:36 AM
Arrgh! I think the original reference was to the terrible sequel:
Beyond the Poseidon Adventure (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078856/) :D

Wow! I had no idea there was a sequel. The plot sounds like the most pathetic excuse for a sequel. Almost rivalling Jurassic Park 3.

Maksutov
2006-Jan-19, 03:58 PM
There was. It was the car parking area on the boat.OK. Need to do a rewatch then. I take it the cars were secured so they didn't float around/sink to the ceiling, etc.

Moose
2006-Jan-19, 04:08 PM
His running around with that bomb still produces chuckles here. Too bad they weren't starbursts: I could provide predictions! :lol:

Who would have guessed that 35 years later he'd be the mayor of Quahog, Rhode Island?

Is he?

Me the part that had me groaning was the "shark repellent bat spray". You could almost hear his fist "boinging" off the rubber shark on his leg, (and I'm not prepared to wager you couldn't. It's been a while.)

I think even Burt Ward choked a little on the "good thing those intelligent porpoises were around" deus ex machina cop-out.

Still, I'd gotten a kick out of the serial (reruns).

James_Digriz
2006-Jan-20, 01:10 AM
OK. Need to do a rewatch then. I take it the cars were secured so they didn't float around/sink to the ceiling, etc.

Affirmative.

Roy Batty
2006-Jan-20, 01:37 AM
Errm, James_DeGriz, Maksutov:
Awful Sequel. (http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.php?p=658099&postcount=78) :)

What else am I embarassed about? hmn, maybe 'THE INVADERS' (A Quinn Martin production) ... naa, reckon i'd still be glued to it if they were showing it right now :-)

Van Rijn
2006-Jan-20, 02:05 AM
What else am I embarassed about? hmn, maybe 'THE INVADERS' (A Quinn Martin production) ... naa, reckon i'd still be glued to it if they were showing it right now :-)

Forgot about that show. I could probably still watch that, but I haven't seen it in years. As I recall, they started getting some interesting stories near the end where they were fighting back, sometimes effectively. There was an attempt at a new "Invaders" series some years ago, but it was absolutely horrible.

MrClean
2006-Jan-20, 06:33 PM
My favorite part, well the only part I liked about Barbarella was when that guy in the fur suit reaches up and unzips it, to reveal he's furrier than the dang furr suit. Puts Austin Powers to shame. Always figured there was a bear on his planet looking for HIM to skin and wear.

ggremlin
2006-Jan-20, 07:44 PM
How about the Time tunnel? I recently caught reruns on cable and I didn't remember how bad it was. The main problems was the original clothes that always reappeared out of nowhere before slipping back into the time stream; they never referenced the last sequence their had just jumped from and the home base was always back to full operation, at the start of the next episode, after being heavily damaged by alien/future human(?)/monster/ancient bad guy.

Quantum Leap, was I think a must better attempt at the same subject. Yes, yes I know JFK exception.

James_Digriz
2006-Jan-21, 03:45 AM
Errm, James_DeGriz, Maksutov:
Awful Sequel. (http://www.bautforum.com/showpost.php?p=658099&postcount=78) :)

I watched 5 minutes of it. Too bad. I was really looking foward to it too.

Inferno
2006-Jan-23, 03:29 AM
How about the Time tunnel? I recently caught reruns on cable and I didn't remember how bad it was. The main problems was the original clothes that always reappeared out of nowhere before slipping back into the time stream;

Always pondered that too. It also raises another question - even if you are forced to travel through time wearing a business suit, surely you'd loosen the tie!

Wish they'd made a full series of the Alexie Sayle take-off "Drunk in Time".

jrkeller
2006-Jan-24, 03:10 PM
I was a great fan of The Six Million Dollar Man when I was a kid. Not so much anymore as I tried to watch it for the second time. Well, it's still worth of some laughs, but most of the stuff in it is just so stupid that it's not even funny.

I was thinking the same thing.

Of course when I was a little kid, I had the moon landings. What more could you ask for?

Roy Batty
2006-Jan-24, 05:31 PM
Anyone seen the 70's Logan's Run (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075527/) series recently.. I liked that, but not sure it would stand the test of time either?

Oh gawd, they might remake the film (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0402344/)?

James_Digriz
2006-Jan-26, 02:39 AM
Anyone seen the 70's Logan's Run (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075527/) series recently.. I liked that, but not sure it would stand the test of time either?

Funny you should bring that up. I didn't even know there was one one untill I ran across this:

http://216.165.194.66/ktmtalk/photogallery/galleries/members/Logans_run_tv_show.jpg


Groovy man!

Enzp
2006-Jan-26, 04:35 AM
Hey, it's THAT guy.

cyswxman
2006-Jan-26, 08:48 AM
Quark
I wish I could see that again! I liked it (see Avatar)

Roy Batty
2006-Jan-27, 01:36 AM
Hey, it's THAT guy.

You mean 'will sombody now untie me from this * chair' type of guy..
but definitley not a THING ? Yeah.. ;) :cool:

You know, now i've seen that photo, maybe I wouldn't mind seeing the series again.. just because I REMember the good android of course, nothing to do with anything else ;) :D

James_Digriz
2006-Jan-27, 09:25 PM
You mean 'will sombody now untie me from this * chair' type of guy..but definitley not a THING ?

Best line in the movie. Just Classic. What made it great was how his voice steadily increased.

"I know you gentlemen have been through a lot, but when you find the time, id rather not spend the rest of the winter tied to this......."

Ha. I just did a search and I remembered that line exactely right. Beautifull. The second best line is when Chambers sees the head walking away on spider legs. Ah, what sweet memories of my youth.

Doodler
2006-Jan-27, 09:41 PM
Anyone seen the 70's Logan's Run (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075527/) series recently.. I liked that, but not sure it would stand the test of time either?

Oh gawd, they might remake the film (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0402344/)?

I didn't see much of the series, but I think of the movie as a cult classic.

weatherc
2006-Jan-27, 11:18 PM
Ha. I just did a search and I remembered that line exactely right. Beautifull. The second best line is when Chambers sees the head walking away on spider legs. Ah, what sweet memories of my youth.Do you mean when Chambers says:

"You gotta be [AHEM!] kidding me."

Yeah, that one stands out for me, too.

James_Digriz
2006-Jan-28, 12:18 AM
Do you mean when Chambers says:

"You gotta be [AHEM!] kidding me."

Yeah, that one stands out for me, too.

Thats the one. Think i'll see what the old man is doing tonight and go over and watch it with him. We saw The Thing and Conan in the theaters back in the 80's during the summer when my mom and brother were back visiting in Michigan so both those movies are very special to me as it was just my dad and I bonding for a couple of weeks like dads and sons do.

Remember the heart beat? Dun Dun...Dun Dun. Dun Dun...Dun Dun.