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Hazzard
2006-Jan-15, 12:14 PM
Came across this on UM,what do you think guys?

http://j_kidd.tripod.com/b/226.html

The_Radiation_Specialist
2006-Jan-15, 12:52 PM
one question: where the [ :) ] did they get the quotes from?

R.A.F.
2006-Jan-15, 01:06 PM
Gordon Cooper (before he died) and Edgar Mitchell have been very vocal in their belief in "visiting ET's"...so their "quotes" don't surprise me.

I would like to see the other quotes varified, as I simply do not believe what has been attributed to those other astronauts...

BUT...what in the heck is this??...


Female Cosmonaut: "I'll take it and hold it with my right hand. Look out the peephole! I have it! "Male Cosmonaut: "There is something! If we do not get out the world will never know about this!" -From the final transmission of a pair of Cosmonauts whose scheduled seven day mission was interupted by a malfunction of unknown origins. This piece of conversation was recorded on February 24, 1961 while they were trying to repair the damage. The two Cosmonauts were never heard from again.

Un-named Cosmonauts??? Never heard from again??? Sounds like that was just "made up", as there is NO evidence to investigate. And if that site thinks it's OK to make up quotes, then that seriously undermines their objectiveness.

The_Radiation_Specialist
2006-Jan-15, 01:28 PM
Maybe the cosmonauts preferred to remain anynomous.

N C More
2006-Jan-15, 01:35 PM
Well, I know one thing for sure, Dr. Mitchell does think that some UFOs are ET related. He bases his belief (and will admit that he does not possess hard evidence) on numbers of people (that he thinks are credible) who have taken him into their confidence. He claims that said individuals are high level military and government types. He does not support certain *creative* ideas such as alien bases on the moon and such.

How do I know this? A couple of years ago Dr. Mitchell used to answer people's questions over on his website ...I asked him, he answered.

As for the rest of that site, it does appear to have a great deal of, shall I say, *creative license* involved. The author doesn't seem to realize that the plural of anecdote isn't data.

R.A.F.
2006-Jan-15, 01:43 PM
Maybe the cosmonauts preferred to remain anynomous.

Even presuming that were true (I do not) then the "supposed" un-named cosmonaut "evidence" is worthless without varification.

sophia8
2006-Jan-15, 02:30 PM
Female Cosmonaut: "I'll take it and hold it with my right hand. Look out the peephole! I have it! "Male Cosmonaut: "There is something! If we do not get out the world will never know about this!" -From the final transmission of a pair of Cosmonauts whose scheduled seven day mission was interupted by a malfunction of unknown origins. This piece of conversation was recorded on February 24, 1961 while they were trying to repair the damage. The two Cosmonauts were never heard from again.
The Russians (and it was only Russia that had cosmonauts - America had astronauts) didn't even start selecting and training female cosmonauts until early 1962. And that was only after they had learned (in the summer of 1961) about NASA's "Mercury 13" group of female would-be astronauts.
There's lots of stories of signals allegedly picked up by ham operators from "lost cosmonauts" - early cosmonauts lost in space but never acknowledged by the Russians. The Straight Dope has an article (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030117.html) about it.

R.A.F.
2006-Jan-15, 02:52 PM
The Straight Dope has an article (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030117.html) about it.

For some reason, the James Oberg link in the straight dope article doesn't work for me.

On the off chance that it doesn't work for others...

Here (http://www.jamesoberg.com/usd10.html) is the link to the Oberg article on dead cosmonauts.

Vaelroth
2006-Jan-15, 04:42 PM
I, I don't have a whole lot of, of time. Um, OK, I'm a former employee of Area 51. I, I was let go on a medical discharge about a week ago and, and . . . I, I've kind of been runnin' across the country. Um, um, damn, I don't know where to start. They're, they're gonna, um, they'll triangulate on this position really really soon. OK, um, um, OK, what, what we're thinking of as, as aliens, uh, they're, they're extra-dimensional beings that an earlier precursor of the, um, space program they made contact with. Uh, they, they are not what they claim to be. Uh, they've infiltrated a lot of, uh, about a lot of aspects of, of, of the military establishment, particularly the Area 51. Uh, the, the disasters that are coming, they, the, the military, I'm sorry, the government knows about them. And, and there's a lot of safe areas in this world that they could begin moving the population to now. They are not! They want those major population centers wiped out so that the, the few that are left will be more easily controllable.

Surprised I didn't find that in the topic link. ;)

HenrikOlsen
2006-Jan-16, 11:52 PM
Sounds like he needs serious medication:(

Vaelroth
2006-Jan-17, 01:22 AM
Probably why he was given a medical discharge. ;)

Bobunf
2006-Jan-17, 06:40 AM
How do I know this? A couple of years ago Dr. Mitchell used to answer people's questions over on his website ...I asked him, he answered.


How do you know this was Dr. Mitchell? On the internet it's freqently not possible to know a person's country of origin, age or sex; let alone an actual name that could reasonably be associated with a particular individual--especially one who is somewhat of a celebrity.

Bob

Vaelroth
2006-Jan-17, 11:18 AM
I'll be straightforward with you guys. I'm a male Puppeteer and I'm planning on abducting one of you in order to go investigate this giant ring that I found.

*Just illustrating your point Bob.

Wolverine
2006-Jan-17, 11:22 AM
This would be more at home in CT. Moved.

Jason Thompson
2006-Jan-17, 11:48 AM
So, apparently the USSR had a two-person craft operating before Gagarin flew Vostok, and yet they felt the need to mock up Voskhod, a hastily reorganised Vostok, to cover the gap between Vostok and the more capable Soyuz, and their first Soyuz flight was a disaster?

N C More
2006-Jan-17, 02:45 PM
How do you know this was Dr. Mitchell? On the internet it's freqently not possible to know a person's country of origin, age or sex; let alone an actual name that could reasonably be associated with a particular individual--especially one who is somewhat of a celebrity.

Bob

It was on Dr. Mitchell's own bulletin board and if anyone were impersonating him it would have been quickly dealt with. Don't believe me? I suggest you ask JayUtah, he knows exactly what I'm saying here. Jay was on Dr. Mitchell's board during the time period I'm mentioning.

Yes, Dr. Mitchell does think that ET has visited the Earth. He doesn't say he has any 'hard evidence' of this, but he does say that he's seen and heard enough for him to personally hold this opinion.

N C More
2006-Jan-17, 02:49 PM
I'll be straightforward with you guys. I'm a male Puppeteer and I'm planning on abducting one of you in order to go investigate this giant ring that I found.

*Just illustrating your point Bob.

Humorous point, but I'm not that naive. Do you honestly think I'd post something like this on BAUT without knowing my source? Once again, ask JayUtah, he was there as well.

Maksutov
2006-Jan-17, 03:15 PM
How do you know this was Dr. Mitchell? On the internet it's freqently not possible to know a person's country of origin, age or sex; let alone an actual name that could reasonably be associated with a particular individual--especially one who is somewhat of a celebrity.

BobThat's right, Bob, a very good point.

Using your approach and applying it to other similar situations, then, for example, how do we know it's Phil Plait who actually addresses us on this board as "The Bad Astronomer"? I mean, come on, we don't actually know the country of origin, age, or sex of this person who posts as "The Bad Astronomer" now, do we? And how could such a name be demonstrated conclusively to be associated with such a celebrity? See, it's all suspect, and there is nothing to stand on.

Got that, Bob?

N C More
2006-Jan-17, 03:24 PM
Using your approach and applying it to other similar situations, then, for example, how do we know it's Phil Plait who actually addresses us on this board as "The Bad Astronomer"? I mean, come on, we don't actually know the country of origin, age, or sex of this person who posts as "The Bad Astronomer" now, do we? And how could such a name be demonstrated conclusively to be associated with such a celebrity? See, it's all suspect, and there is nothing to stand on.



Yep, I'm sure that someone could come on BAUT, impersonate the BA or Fraser, and noone would notice! http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/konfus/e045.gif

Archer17
2006-Jan-17, 03:47 PM
What's so far-fetched about 'Doc' Mitchell having a discussion board?

I used to post over there and he had quite a following. While he didn't post that much while I was there, his posting history was consistent with what I know of the man's beliefs. I'm also sure any "impostor" would run the risk of some kind of punitive action once the "real" Ed Mitchell became aware of it.

R.A.F.
2006-Jan-17, 04:22 PM
How do you know this was Dr. Mitchell?

Simple...by the nature of his posts there...


...how do we know it's Phil Plait who actually addresses us on this board as "The Bad Astronomer"? I mean, come on, we don't actually know the country of origin, age, or sex of this person who posts as "The Bad Astronomer" now, do we?

Well, I have met him twice now, in person, and he looks just like his picture. :)

But this is way off topic...

Maksutov
2006-Jan-17, 04:50 PM
Thank you, Archer17 and R.A.F., for helping make my point.

Bud Collyer:


Now will the real Dr. Mitchell and Bad Astronomer please stand up?!
(Oh, what's that? They're already standing? Cut to commercial!) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Tell_the_Truth)