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Sporally
2006-Jan-20, 10:53 PM
Hi there

11,891 members, that is something. Well, i was hoping to find a new forum with many members (many members = quick replies). I have a little question about the behaviour of the admin on this board. I come from another forum, www.space-talk.com. Just an hour ago i wrote a thread, not offending anyone and not braking any rules, but anyway the thread was deleted - guess the admin thought it was a boring topic. Another guy on the forum had had the same expierence, but other ppl replied and told him the admin deleted old threads that were dead to save space (and make the forum run more smootly). Well, this is a thing that i can allow, but now that i've joined this forum i just want to make sure there haven't been any problems with 'deleting threads if they followed the board rules'. My thread was deleted after just 30 mins on the board - never seen a worse behaviour (in my opinion) from an admin. It was a thought experiment about how to utilize wormholes in the very far future for other purposes than time travels. Any idea why i wasn't allowed to write that:naughty: ??

But anyway, think i will be a quite happy poster on this forum, and i hope you find some interest in my threads:dance:

Moose
2006-Jan-20, 11:12 PM
I can't speak for our admin, but I somehow can't see them choosing to comment about events and/or policies on another forum.

That said, welcome, though our chat area is the Off-Topic Babbling forum. This forum is more for topics relating to the board software and/or organization.

See you there.

Sporally
2006-Jan-20, 11:59 PM
At least they didn't shut this topic down:lol: Ok, wrong subforum, but thx for your welcoming. Let me try it out and see what happens with the admin:)

Nereid
2006-Jan-21, 12:10 AM
Let me add my welcome to our new member, Sporally.

Moose is right, this thread was started in the wrong part of BAUT (so I've moved it).

If I may give a friendly word of advice, Sporally? Take the time to familiarise yourself with the BAUT rules (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=32864) - it'd be quite a shame if you were to be kicked off here simply from ignorance of what's permitted (and what's not). :)

Sporally
2006-Jan-21, 12:42 AM
I am a member of several forums, so i know the basic rules from other forums, mostly computer game forums. Of course i have to pay attention to the specific forum rules, and you usally get to know them by the way, but yes, i will keep an eye on the more specific forum rules.

EDIT: And thx for your welcoming ;)

Moose
2006-Jan-21, 12:58 AM
I am a member of several forums, so i know the basic rules from other forums, mostly computer game forums. Of course i have to pay attention to the specific forum rules, and you usally get to know them by the way, but yes, i will keep an eye on the more specific forum rules.

I'd like to amplify Nereid's advice. Our conduct rules are strictly enforced (though warnings are given), and applying the usual other-forum rules here may not be enough. Feeling your way is a bad idea. I echo Nereid in urging you to read through the rules carefully. They aren't optional.

Sporally
2006-Jan-21, 01:16 AM
Think we misunderstood each other - the language again. Have read them, but honorstly i might forget something once in the future. Probably can't remember them all tomorrow. So if i get to a point where i might doubt if it is allowed or if i get to a point where i recall that this things isn't allowed i will check back at the rules.

Moose
2006-Jan-21, 01:21 AM
Great to hear. They're pretty simple, though. Just be nice. That's all it really boils down to. See you in the other threads.

Sporally
2006-Jan-21, 01:39 AM
I have never been thrown out of a forum, so that's a start. I'm usally down to the ground. Ppl might shake their head sometimes when they read my statements, but well, afterall they have the opportunity just to leave the thread:) Honorstly don't think we will find that i give you too many problems what regards rules. I have a habit though, hope you can live with it if i am allowed, always to post the last post in my own started threads. It gives such a nice overview when i click the 'User CP'-button, and i know for sure i have read all replies;)

HenrikOlsen
2006-Jan-22, 07:44 AM
I think one of the few rules that do take some people by surprise is that in a discussion about alternative theories you can get banned for not responding to a direct question. That rule is there to keep alternative theory talk relatively short and to the point.

Candy
2006-Jan-22, 08:04 AM
I thought my threads were being deleted, too, once I came back after a banning. The new board was different, and I was actually hitting the preview button (instead of submit). Thinking I was posting a thread, I moved on to something different. I'd come back to find nothing. I'm not sure if this board is different from space-talk, but it sure is different from BadAstronomy. Hence, the reason I got confused. :o

mickal555
2006-Jan-22, 08:06 AM
Are you sure you thread was deleted and not just moved?
It seems strange that someone would delete a thread for no reason...
(unless it had politics or religion in it...)

What was the OP?

Candy
2006-Jan-22, 08:14 AM
Let me add, I was freaking out thinking my thread(s) had been deleted. It was all in my head due to my silliness in not hitting the correct buttons. :D

Sporally
2006-Jan-22, 11:56 AM
On Space-Talk i had wrote a quite long thread and that was what irritated me the most. On Space-Talk they sometimes deleted threads because of problems with a lag that would occur if they didn't. This is ok in my opinion, but not to delete something like this thread i wrote. I didn't brake any rules, the admin just didn't like it. And when i asked why it was deleted they got angry and told me to either shut up or find another forum. I can't live with admins that can't have a decent conversation and tell me why they thought my thread was inapropriate.

mickal555
2006-Jan-22, 12:30 PM
hang on-

Was this thread on this forum or the other one?

Moose
2006-Jan-22, 01:54 PM
The other one, I would think.

Sticks
2006-Jan-22, 02:13 PM
So what was this thought experiment about wormholes then :confused:

Sporally
2006-Jan-22, 09:04 PM
Wasn't this thread, was a whole other thread, but now it has been deleted (the one where i ask why it was deleted still exists startet by another posters that expierenced the same, with the exception that his thread was deleted because it has been there for some time without a reply).

I will write that thought experiment (guess that is what to call it) tomorrow. I hope it catches your interest, but you might find it a bit far out. I don't believe it would work myself, but on the other hand you can't today prove it won't work - but i hope you like it.

tofu
2006-Jan-23, 12:51 AM
I was actually hitting the preview button (instead of submit).

But when you think about it, isn't it a little bit offensive that a website demands that you submit? I don't think I'd hit that button either.

on the other hand, the alternative button says "pre view" making me think of the precogs in Minority Report. I don't believe in all that "seeing the future" mumbo jumbo, so I find that button a little offensive too.

I think that both buttons should be removed. That way nobody will be offended or confused. I suspect that this will also greatly reduce the moderators' workload.

LurchGS
2006-Jan-23, 06:36 AM
make the board pretty boring, too.

how about... let's change 'submit' to "delcare" ... hrm.. no, that sounds like dealing with the IRS or customs.. "announce" - that works.

'Preview'.. to 'how does it look?'

'post reply'. I'm not interested in spending 39 cents every time I want to give you all a piece of my mind. A simple 'reply' should work.

and 'quote'... that's a hoot! why not just make it 'plagarize' or 'rip off'?

ok.. I think it's bedtime for Lurch. Silliness is bad.

Candy
2006-Jan-23, 07:14 AM
Funny, I still edit after hitting submit. Even though, I'd previewed it. :doh:

Button Button everywhere a button
Blocking out the scenery breaking my putin’
Do this, don’t do that, can’t you read the button

beskeptical
2006-Jan-23, 08:37 AM
Well I looked into the link and found this:
SPACETALK ADMIN - He Who Pays The Piper Calls The Tune!!

Always Happy to ZAP the [deleted]!!It's all about the kind of forum and whether it fits your personality and what you are looking for. There are lots of forums out there of every kind and size. Too big and you get overwhelmed, too small and the flames never light. I agree that forums where things are deleted especially for reasons like not giving the person a chance to express their views because they aren't up to someone else's standard are not the best forums to be in. But there must be people who want a forum like that, so you just move on and find another.

This forum will let anyone bring up a topic and unless it contains some specific infraction, it will never be deleted because someone doesn't think the topic is worthy. That's just plain silly. How do others learn from the feedback? How do new ideas get introduced? What's the point of only discussing what is already on your radar screen?

We did have more trouble before the BABBLING forum keeping to astronomy. And we always get real close to the politics/religion line that isn't allowed on the board. Threads get locked when we get too mad at one another. But ideas like time travel and worm holes will at least be allowed long enough for folks to poke holes in your ideas. ;)

Welcome aboard.

Sporally
2006-Jan-23, 09:58 AM
Thx for your support Beskeptical. And the funny thing is that religious talk is allowed on this forum (but only, and i repeat, only if you know how to use it);) But what would a astronomy talk be without religion. I think this board wants to say that you are not allowed to talk about each individual religion, but it is ok to talk about e.g. creationism vs. science.

Wolverine
2006-Jan-23, 10:13 AM
On Space-Talk i had wrote a quite long thread and that was what irritated me the most. On Space-Talk they sometimes deleted threads because of problems with a lag that would occur if they didn't. This is ok in my opinion, but not to delete something like this thread i wrote. I didn't brake any rules, the admin just didn't like it. And when i asked why it was deleted they got angry and told me to either shut up or find another forum. I can't live with admins that can't have a decent conversation and tell me why they thought my thread was inapropriate.

Sporally, on this forum you'll find we strive to preserve transparency in admin & mod actions. The only times threads are deleted or removed from public view is when they egregiously violate our forum rules (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?p=564845#post564845) (e.g. advertising/spam, porn, or major transgressions in political or religious territory). Enjoy your stay.

Sporally
2006-Jan-23, 10:19 AM
And that's how it should be, thx;)

Sticks
2006-Jan-23, 12:43 PM
And that's how it should be, thx;)

So are you starting your discussion on wormholes here, or indeed have you and I have missed it?

Sporally
2006-Jan-23, 11:10 PM
OK, I didn't expect me to be this busy today, but now i got the post ready. I really don't know if you would consider me a fool for this, but let's see what you say. Would rather have you making fun of me than some dumm moderators deleting it after only an hour:lol:

http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?p=662563#post662563

nokton
2006-Jan-26, 07:38 PM
Hi there

11,891 members, that is something. Well, i was hoping to find a new forum with many members (many members = quick replies). I have a little question about the behaviour of the admin on this board. I come from another forum, www.space-talk.com. Just an hour ago i wrote a thread, not offending anyone and not braking any rules, but anyway the thread was deleted - guess the admin thought it was a boring topic. Another guy on the forum had had the same expierence, but other ppl replied and told him the admin deleted old threads that were dead to save space (and make the forum run more smootly). Well, this is a thing that i can allow, but now that i've joined this forum i just want to make sure there haven't been any problems with 'deleting threads if they followed the board rules'. My thread was deleted after just 30 mins on the board - never seen a worse behaviour (in my opinion) from an admin. It was a thought experiment about how to utilize wormholes in the very far future for other purposes than time travels. Any idea why i wasn't allowed to write that:naughty: ??

But anyway, think i will be a quite happy poster on this forum, and i hope you find some interest in my threads:dance:
Sporally, you and your ideas welcome here as far as I'm concerned, take your point about wormholes on board, you not naughty, heavens above!!!!
Nokton.

Sporally
2006-Jan-26, 07:40 PM
Thx, until now the admin hasn't been annoying at all:)

ToSeek
2006-Jan-26, 11:11 PM
Thx, until now the admin hasn't been annoying at all:)

We'll try harder! ;)

Sporally
2006-Jan-27, 09:01 AM
Ah, there's the mod, haven't noticed that until now though you have replied to my threads several times:razz:

Moose
2006-Jan-27, 10:47 AM
*grin* Apparently they're on to you.

Sporally
2006-Jan-27, 06:11 PM
Don't worry, i will behave:p

Fraser
2006-Jan-27, 06:16 PM
And here's an admin. :-) Welcome!

LurchGS
2006-Jan-27, 06:24 PM
Run away! Run away! Before he says 'NI!' to you!

Sporally
2006-Jan-27, 07:21 PM
NI? Oh crap, we have both moderators and admins:wall: :D

Nicolas
2006-Jan-27, 07:23 PM
They're all over the place :)

LurchGS
2006-Jan-27, 07:36 PM
kinda like fungus, mice, or other infestation...

Sporally
2006-Jan-27, 07:53 PM
I probably won't have too many situation discussing them. Don't think i've ever been throw out of a forum.

Nicolas
2006-Jan-27, 08:02 PM
You can have discussions with them in a friendly context here. Next to moderators, they're members as well.

LurchGS
2006-Jan-27, 08:14 PM
and, in all honesty, pretty good folk


don't tell them I said that

Sporally
2006-Jan-28, 12:34 AM
You can have discussions with them in a friendly context here. Next to moderators, they're members as well.

Discussion in a friendly context. That's exactly where Space.com failed:eh:

Blob
2006-Jan-28, 12:49 AM
Hum,
i wonder if the wormhole thread will magically turn up here?

nokton
2006-Jan-28, 08:14 PM
ToSeek,
Everything I know came from reading books, since I was 5 years old.
Am an old man now, but know how to respect and value others, their
opinions and contributions to the truth in the search for knowledge.
Is this not what Phil was about in his Bad Astro forum?
Sporally not deserving of this response from ToSeek.
Well try harder? That from a moderator?
OK ban me, but the only thing Sporally said. admin not annoy me.
Try harder? Give me a life.
Nokton

R.A.F.
2006-Jan-28, 08:25 PM
noxton...are you serious?? ToSeek was obviously joking around...

...sheesh...

Sporally
2006-Jan-28, 09:25 PM
It's ok Nokton, as R.A.F. said, i'm pretty sure he was joking. I appriciate your cover though:)

nokton
2006-Jan-29, 07:20 PM
Sporally,
Your choice of language sits well with you, sorry if upset
R.A.F. Just feel you deserve more respect......

R.A.F.
2006-Jan-29, 07:32 PM
sorry if upset
R.A.F.

Not at all...I just think you misrepresented what ToSeek posted...and...


Just feel you deserve more respect......

...you just did it again...you are implying that ToSeek was being disrespectful to Sporally, yet you completely lack evidence that this is true...

nokton
2006-Jan-29, 08:07 PM
R.A.F, your contention here is misguided, I misunderstood ToSeeks response
to Sporally, my apology for that. Misunderstood ToSeeks words'Try harder'
as an insult and contentious. Was only seeking to protect a contributer
here. My apology to you R.A.F and ToSeek for my lack of understanding
of the relationship you have with Sporally, please forgive my ignorance.
Nokton

R.A.F.
2006-Jan-29, 10:07 PM
nokton...I would also like to apologize to you for "jumping down your throat" about it. :)

mickal555
2006-Jan-30, 06:53 AM
Now we're all friends again :D :D

Sporally
2006-Jan-30, 09:02 AM
Yeah, great:dance:

nokton
2006-Jan-31, 06:09 PM
R.A.F.
No problem, no offence taken. Feel all who on this site are about
the search for knowledge, sometimes errors of judgement occur, and
emotion kicks in. An ancient response to misunderstanding, still with us,
tho' in the present, reason and understanding moderate, well, most of
the time....
Nokton

Sporally
2006-Feb-01, 10:40 PM
As long as we end up staying friends it all is well. Nothing worse than when two happy posters on a forum are having problems with each other and they keep replying to the same threads as they both are happy posters. I have seen that before, it ain't pretty:)

Nicolas
2006-Feb-01, 11:30 PM
Today I've seen again that if you act reasonable and civilised, you can do a lot on this forum. You must know the rules and understand the idea behind them, and then you're fine. It's like in school: if you respect the teachers they will respect you, and you will be able to do and discuss things that would otherwise not be tolerated. It's a win-win thing.

Today I saw a member having a different opinion on a rather sensitive subject than a moderator. The discussion remained constructive and civil. The discussion ended in a "let's agree to disagree", which was possible as both opinions were allowed by the forum rules. One can do a lot here, even openly discussing the opinion of a moderator, as long as it''s done in a civil and constructive manner. Yes this is a private board and ultimately the mods are free to do as they chose. But whenever invited to, they will show they're willing to listen and (re)think about what to do. That's why sock puppeting and shouting are a bad thing to do during a temporary banning. If you feel the need to comment on your banning (I'm talking hypothetical and in general here, I'm not impying anything! :)), sending a polite PM in which you explain things will have a lot more result I think, judging from my experience with the mods here. That's a comon pitfall leading to permanent bannings.

You say you've got internet board experience, and it seems to be the good kind of experience. I'm sure you'll feel this board will not let you down. It's always nice to see new members that know how to behave :).

Sporally
2006-Feb-01, 11:49 PM
Yeah, until now everything has fulfilled my needs and expectations. I happy for that. The problem on the other forum was i began a topic, then the teacher indirect said he didn't want to discuss it, then i asked the teacher why he thought i was not allowed to start that discussion, and then he got opset. This isn't the way a teacher should act:mad: My time in school has taught me that if you are too bothered with a way a teacher controls the pupils then i always have somewhere to say what i think about the teacher's way of controlling the pupils - either confronting the teacher himself or contact the administration. That didn't work here as the school was too small and the administration properly was the same arrogant one as the teacher:naughty:

But i'm happy to be here, indeed:dance:

nokton
2006-Feb-03, 09:53 PM
Yeah, until now everything has fulfilled my needs and expectations. I happy for that. The problem on the other forum was i began a topic, then the teacher indirect said he didn't want to discuss it, then i asked the teacher why he thought i was not allowed to start that discussion, and then he got opset. This isn't the way a teacher should act:mad: My time in school has taught me that if you are too bothered with a way a teacher controls the pupils then i always have somewhere to say what i think about the teacher's way of controlling the pupils - either confronting the teacher himself or contact the administration. That didn't work here as the school was too small and the administration properly was the same arrogant one as the teacher:naughty:

But i'm happy to be here, indeed:dance:
You not wrong Sporally, the above from Nic says all. I was banned, but
learned from it, to do with decorum in here, which is why it is a good site.
Nokton.

Sporally
2006-Feb-04, 12:36 PM
So how did you get back in? Could you still write a PM to the moderators and tell ask them if there was a possibility to get back in?

LurchGS
2006-Feb-05, 08:12 AM
there are short term bans that they use to get your attention. If a member fails to learn from them, they can fall back on the permanent ban.

Maybe they should change the name of the temporary ban to something like "Jailed" or "Restricted" (though Jailed or Gaoled have unfortunate connotations) ...

or make the permanent ban something like "Shunned" or "Excommunicated" or "Just too stupid to talk to"

The Supreme Canuck
2006-Feb-05, 08:13 AM
Suspended?

LurchGS
2006-Feb-05, 08:16 AM
I like that, too. Brings forth visions of the evil doer bound and gagged, hanging over a huge pot of boiling oil...

The Supreme Canuck
2006-Feb-05, 08:21 AM
I was going for something not too harsh. I guess I missed the mark a bit. ;)

Wolverine
2006-Feb-05, 08:25 AM
So how did you get back in? Could you still write a PM to the moderators and tell ask them if there was a possibility to get back in?

More accurately, nokton received a 72-hour account suspension. We chronicle all such actions on this thread (http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=30979), including the duration involved so everyone (including recipients of disciplinary action) can see what's transpired. When a user is suspended or banned, they only have the ability to read the forum. They cannot participate publicly or privately.

Halcyon Dayz
2006-Feb-05, 01:13 PM
In the penalty box.

Sporally
2006-Feb-07, 09:14 AM
there are short term bans that they use to get your attention. If a member fails to learn from them, they can fall back on the permanent ban.

I like that, it is much better than those forums where one word can suspend you forever:clap: