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Knowledge_Seeker
2006-Mar-06, 10:12 PM
The way i joined baut was as follows.............

Gather round' children and hear my tale, of a magical .....something....(insert wise comment here)

I was reading a book for school, Ender's Game. And in it, i noticed that the children in it were remarkably smart. I mean they were like supergeniouses*. The diolauge between the kids was very intelligent. Well anyways a brother and a sister secretly disguised themselves and went on the 'net' and made it seem that they were adults and participated in political discussions.

After reading the book i thought that i should go on today's 'net' and go to some kind of political discussion group. But then i thoght why not join a discussion group that talks about something of my interest, like astronomy? So from there i went googling and discovered this site. and today i am here telling you my story. i have to admit that i have learned a whole lot and have received much output (or is it input?). :boohoo:

The Bad Astronomer
2006-Mar-07, 04:39 AM
Fraser talked me into it.

jrkeller
2006-Mar-07, 05:15 AM
I discovered the Bad Astronomy site after fox aired its piece on the moon landing hoax. I sent Phil a few emails over the years and then eventually joined his BB.

Musashi
2006-Mar-07, 05:20 AM
I found my way to the BABB while looking into some James McCanney stuff.

Enzp
2006-Mar-07, 05:21 AM
I used to limit my internet time to technical related sites and discussion.

I saw Phil on TV - Leno? Letterman? Iron CHef? Cooking with Al Roker? DOn't remember where now - and thought he was real interesting. They held up the book, and I went out and got it. Loved the book. In the book he mentions modestly his web site, so I checked it out. ANd found this forum. Been coming here for better or worse ever since.

I loaned out my copy of the book, and it actually came back the other day. SO often "loaned" books disappear into the mists of time.

Phil is on my shelf next to the STrait Dope collection, Krauss' Physics of STar Trek, Brunvands Urban Legend books, and a bunch of skeptic stuff.

cjl
2006-Mar-07, 05:36 AM
Bought Phil's Bad Astronomy book, found his website, and eventually got to the boards that way. Was a lurker at first, but I'm posting more and more as time goes on (be afraid...)

damienpaul
2006-Mar-07, 06:06 AM
I joined the original UT out of interest, I "rejoined" BAUT as my concerns were nicely addressed and also out of interest

Tinaa
2006-Mar-07, 06:35 AM
I was looking for information for a research paper I had to write for an astronomy class. Signed up for the UT newsletter. When Fraser started up the forum I signed up. The newsletter was great for weekly "current astronomy events" essays.

gwiz
2006-Mar-07, 08:38 AM
Like cjl, my first link to here was coming across Phil's book.

mickal555
2006-Mar-07, 10:07 AM
When I was 12, I had heard about the idea that the moon landings were hoaxed, I decided to find out what the actuall points were, so I searched "appollo moon hoax":
Bad astronomy- that looked incriminating... but no! it was about how the hb were wrong, and how weak the arguments were(which I had never actually heard before).

I stayed with bad astronomy, about a year later I joined the Forums then I bought the book.

Tog
2006-Mar-07, 10:38 AM
A guy that delivered to the store where I worked saw the thing about the Moon landing hoax. I did some looking to find some info to give him to address his questions and found the site. It took me about 6 years to actually join this board though. Depending on which thread you start out with, this can be an intimidating group.:)

Melusine
2006-Mar-07, 11:50 AM
Through Bad Astronomy by way of a link while looking into the moon hoax business. (Also, linked to Clavius, Jay Utah's site. An excellent site, btw.) I saw Universe Today prior to BAUT through links, but never their forum. Then they merged, and I'm glad they did, because the Astrophotography section is great, and BABB didn't have that.

farmerjumperdon
2006-Mar-07, 01:25 PM
I came to the site because hardly anybody I know ever wanted to talk physics. I'm more than a casual follower, but nowhere near well studied.

So I came here only to go from well-informed (compared to my existing circles of friends) to barely informed (compared to those I've "met" here). The result is that I read the astronomy and physics threads and rarely post to them - but found this cool board of intelligent people to knock around things non-astronomical.

paulie jay
2006-Mar-07, 01:51 PM
I bought and read Bad Astronomy, visited the website on numerous occasions before realising that there was a message board attached to it :)

hhEb09'1
2006-Mar-07, 01:54 PM
I was swept up in the rising tide of Bad Astronomy. I think my original online BA discussion was with troglodytes.

The_Radiation_Specialist
2006-Mar-07, 01:58 PM
Mine is strangely same as Mickal's...
I was searching about "Moon Hoax" on google and came across several pages, one of them being badastronomy.com
At first I thought its a joke website "BAD" astronomy. I read a couple of pages and found the writing style of the website intersting and easy to understand.
After a week or so I discover... the BAUT Forums.

pumpkinpie
2006-Mar-07, 02:17 PM
Bad Astronomy was bookmarked on my computer when I took over my current job 6! years ago. (No, not 6 exponential. I just can't believe it's been this long!) Along with many other astronomy sites. I checked into Phil's content every now and then, looking for new movie reviews and other debunking. It was over three years before I actually looked at the bulletin board, and then I spent another 6 months or so lurking. I'll check my join date once I post this, but I think it's only been two years that I've been active here.

farmerjumperdon
2006-Mar-07, 02:31 PM
Depending on which thread you start out with, this can be an intimidating group.:)

I hear you there. I'm a pretty self-confident person, but I lurked for a couple months before daring to post. It is not abrasive or abusive as many forums can be, but there is an intimidation factor, as is evidenced by the pattern of many first-time posters comments.

Nereid
2006-Mar-07, 02:44 PM
I hear you there. I'm a pretty self-confident person, but I lurked for a couple months before daring to post. It is not abrasive or abusive as many forums can be, but there is an intimidation factor, as is evidenced by the pattern of many first-time posters comments.Which is why a good place to write your first post might be the Q&A section - take some time to think through a question that's always interested you, and one for which you don't have a good answer. That's a part of BAUT where your post will be welcomed, and your curiousity treated with respect and support.

OTOH (on the other hand), making your first post in the ATM section may be a poor choice, unless you have an ATM idea that is well-thought out, well-researched, and which you are prepared to defend. The rules of that section are different from the rest of BAUT.

Finally, note that BAUT has a particularly strong policy on Civility and Decorum - attacking the person is explicitly a rule violation, and people who are abusive and abrasive in that way are quickly banned. If you see such abuse in posts, don't hestitate to report it, using the Report Post button (exclamation mark in the red triangle).

I hope y'all stick around and continue to enjoy your stay with us! :)

Archer17
2006-Mar-07, 03:23 PM
I joined the BABB to post my synopsis of the "debate" between Dr. Plait and Nancy (Planet X fearmonger & Zeta channeler) Lieder on C2C back in May '03 and stuck around. When the boards merged I was assimilated. :)

R.A.F.
2006-Mar-07, 03:27 PM
Fraser talked me into it.

Phil talked me into it.

Gruesome
2006-Mar-07, 03:48 PM
Shamefully enough I was researching the Moon Hoax (yes, my friends I was once teetering on the edge of the woo-woo cliff). That led me to Phil's site, wherein my questions regarding heat transfer in a vaccuum were answered not only by his pages debunking the hoaxers, but also by his review of the movie "Mission to Mars". "What better way to teach astronomy to us gomers," I thought.

That led me here.

I was a lurker before, following a drunken discussion with my buddies, I signed up and posted a question regarding "Blowing Up the Moon", where my contention that all the nuclear weapons on the planet could not destroy Earth's only natural satellite were confirmed by the brainiacs who reside here.

Been here ever since. It's refreshing to read the words of people on the internet who are actually smart.

ToSeek
2006-Mar-07, 04:14 PM
I'm sure I found the old BABB (actually the old old BABB) after Googling for something, but I don't recall the details any more. I did find it interesting and kept visiting. (These were the days before there were such things as users and accounts on the discussion boards.)

jkmccrann
2006-Mar-07, 04:45 PM
It was last July when the whole fuss arose about whether Pluto, and some newly discovered obects orbiting way way out in the Trans-Neptunian region were in the news, and there was much discussion concerning the discovery of the 10th planet!

For the record, I find it hard to believe that any object in the Kuiper Belt could be considered a planet unless it's size was orders of magnitude larger than any of the objects currently known about in the KB. And that includes Pluto!

Interesting discussion about this in Astronomy section for anyone who hasn't seen it.

farmerjumperdon
2006-Mar-07, 04:47 PM
Which is why a good place to write your first post might be the Q&A section - take some time to think through a question that's always interested you, and one for which you don't have a good answer. That's a part of BAUT where your post will be welcomed, and your curiousity treated with respect and support.

OTOH (on the other hand), making your first post in the ATM section may be a poor choice, unless you have an ATM idea that is well-thought out, well-researched, and which you are prepared to defend. The rules of that section are different from the rest of BAUT.

Finally, note that BAUT has a particularly strong policy on Civility and Decorum - attacking the person is explicitly a rule violation, and people who are abusive and abrasive in that way are quickly banned. If you see such abuse in posts, don't hestitate to report it, using the Report Post button (exclamation mark in the red triangle).

I hope y'all stick around and continue to enjoy your stay with us! :)

I was going to just let it go, but that is a strange reply and/or use of my comment. First you imply that curiosity will be treated with respect and support only in the Q & A section. I don't think you meant that, but that is how it reads. I also did not think my post called for a reminder on Decorum or Civility. Quite the opposite, I commented that it is not abrasive and abusive. I found it strange that my positive comment was followed by a reminder about the rules.

That might seem picky, but when it comes to people replying to me or quoting my statement, I am that way. So I do understand that you may be a certain way too, just want to make sure you recognize how some things come out.

Nereid
2006-Mar-07, 05:04 PM
I was going to just let it go, but that is a strange reply and/or use of my comment. First you imply that curiosity will be treated with respect and support only in the Q & A section. I don't think you meant that, but that is how it reads. I also did not think my post called for a reminder on Decorum or Civility. Quite the opposite, I commented that it is not abrasive and abusive. I found it strange that my positive comment was followed by a reminder about the rules.

That might seem picky, but when it comes to people replying to me or quoting my statement, I am that way. So I do understand that you may be a certain way too, just want to make sure you recognize how some things come out.My apologies ... I meant it exactly the opposite way!

I.e. that all BAUT members should always expect civility and decorum, so please don't be shy about writing posts (except, perhaps, if you wish to start an ATM thread).

The thing about the rules was to say: if you see something that seems abrasive (etc), don't hesitate to report it (IOW, the rules here are meant to protect you from feeling intimidated).

The Q&A bit was meant as a suggestion - if you're wondering where to start, to write your first post, that might be a good place to go.

So, again, apologies if my post 'came across' the wrong way.

(And in closing, a request if I may? How should I have worded my post, to convey what I want to say? I'd appreciate some help).

Moose
2006-Mar-07, 05:11 PM
NASA said I had to join if I wanted to keep getting my Misinformation cheques.

:eek: . o 0 ( Did I just say that out loud? )

farmerjumperdon
2006-Mar-07, 06:54 PM
Very good, appreciate your candor. Probably if you had not quoted my comment it would not have meant anything to me (except to more accurately state the respect for curiosity without limiting the statement's relevance to the Q&A section). The only part that bugged me was that you added the reminder to my quoted statement. It left me wondering "Hmmm, why me?"

Thanks for the response; I'll try not to read too much into things - such as why Moose gets a misinformation check and I don't.

Swift
2006-Mar-07, 10:42 PM
I first went looking at the BA's movie reviews on his website. I think I found them through a Bad Chemistry website. After checking out the BA's website for about a year, I finally joined the forum.

Moose
2006-Mar-07, 10:53 PM
*grins at FJD*

Seriously, I'm pretty sure I found Bad Astronomy when references were posted in some threads sometime around '98 or so. following a link on snopes. I can't remember for sure, but it was probably one of Silas Sparkhammer's. Or maybe tdn's.

Lurking Nerd
2006-Mar-08, 12:35 AM
I got to BAUT from the Bad Astronomy website. I went there because of the book. I'm just fuzzy on how I found the book. Maybe someone can help me. I have 4 books in my head. The Museum of Hoaxes, The Salmon of Doubt, The Experts Speak, and Bad Astronomy. I'm thinking that Salmon of Doubt listed the other 3 somewhere in Douglas Adams writings but a quick scan through the book only turned up The Experts Speak. I can't see that the others mention each other. Anybody else read these and knows which mentions which? However it happened, I bought the book and read through it. I then went to the website and read everything I found there. I finally came to the BABB and found the conspiracy theory stuff absolutely hilarious. I finally joined BAUT to see the excellent pictures being posted and to make it easier to keep track on what I have read.

Simple, huh?

gethen
2006-Mar-08, 12:56 AM
Stumbled into Bad Astronomy looking for some explanation for my Canadian neighbor's belief that Polaris had "burned out" and have been lurking about ever since.

The Mangler
2006-Mar-08, 01:00 AM
I too got on the BAUT Forum from the Bad Astronomy website (I still haven't gotten the book, but I plan to - I'm a procrastinator...). How I found that website I can't quite remember. Probably by googling telescopes or something.

Once I found the Bad Astronomy website I think I read the whole thing then decided to join the forum (this was the first forum I have ever joined, if that means anything). One of these days I will get your book, Phil.

I admit that most of my posting is to the 'Off Topic Babbling' forum, but that doesn't mean I don't read the other ones. ;) You guys are just a little (understatement) more educated than me, and while I am learning a great deal, there isn't much for me to contribute.

Aerobird
2006-Mar-10, 02:50 AM
After reading the main page for a long time, finally signed up after certain Bad Astronomy references appeared in an althist on another site.

That's my story, and I'm 'a stickin' to it...

Tensor
2006-Mar-10, 03:33 AM
In late 2002, I was looking for some stuff on Apollo and ran across the site and the refutation of something I hadn't heard before, the bizarre idea that the moon landings never happened. I looked around the site liked it, exchanged a few e-mails with Phil then found the forums and registered.

StarStuff
2006-Mar-10, 04:07 AM
I'm sure I found the old BABB (actually the old old BABB) after Googling for something, but I don't recall the details any more. I did find it interesting and kept visiting. (These were the days before there were such things as users and accounts on the discussion boards.)

I remember the old BABB, too. I think I stumbled upon the Bad Astronomy website first, and then visited the board - not sure though, since it was such a long time ago. I thoroughly enjoyed the discussions though, right from the start. I went from lurking there to (mostly) lurking on the newer BABB, and have continued my habits on this board. :)

Pleiades
2006-Mar-10, 05:18 AM
I'm from UT. I found the site surfing, signed up for the email then later joined the forum when it started. When the boards merged I couldn't log on with my old username, so I made a new one for this board.

mahesh
2006-Mar-10, 10:35 AM
oneday, summertime, many moons ago.....googling 'universe' took me to UT, signed up for newsletter...thank you Fraser
and so, here we are, KnowledgeSeeker!

You have a nice day!

Van Rijn
2006-Mar-10, 10:46 AM
Similar to a number of others - a friend at work was asking questions about that horrible Fox show. I could answer a number of questions, but looked for some place with more detail and BA and Clavius fit the bill. After looking over BA I noticed the forum and later joined.

suntrack2
2006-Mar-10, 11:58 AM
Hum, that's a very good question, K'Seeker, I will opine the Bad Astronomy aka bautforum like a marvelous place, it is just like a astropedia (like wikipedia),

one can better aline his concepts about astronomy here, this is a great ramp to stand our "thought's car stand on the ramp" to get more efficiently run. this is a place to show the extra beautiful intelligent of earth.

this is a place to plan out your ideas as far sky related concern topics, this is a place where you can add more friends in your friendlist, this is place where you can drink the water of knowledge and you can meet your thirst, this is place where you can see the diversity of world personalities, this is a place where you can see all are doing well their activities without any given specific advance commands,

this is a place where the people (members) are very sincere and cool and with a ability of "best controlled minds", this is a place where you can witness the great-heart people, who can help you, can guide you, they don't have a egos to run here, in short everything is here to get more than expected ever.

sunil :)

DroneFour
2006-Mar-11, 04:32 PM
BA was the only guest on C2C to make sense of what he was talking about. There was no conspiracy theories, no made up word of the day, and no probing. I gladly bought the book, even though I haven't quite finished it, yet.
No woo on Phil!

turbo-1
2006-Mar-11, 05:56 PM
I joined for the ATM forum primarily. I had been posting regularly on PF, but there is absolutely no tolerance there for ideas that are not mainstream, even if those ideas are supported by papers from peer-reviewed journals. If they are not widely accepted, they cannot be discussed. After a while, you get sick of getting called a crackpot. This place is a good deal more civil.

jkmccrann
2006-Mar-13, 06:28 PM
I joined for the ATM forum primarily. I had been posting regularly on PF, but there is absolutely no tolerance there for ideas that are not mainstream, even if those ideas are supported by papers from peer-reviewed journals. If they are not widely accepted, they cannot be discussed. After a while, you get sick of getting called a crackpot. This place is a good deal more civil.

What is PF? From your description, sounds a little close-minded.

Hydro
2006-Mar-13, 07:08 PM
I found the BA site after reading the entire 9 Planets site, so then I read his site, lurked at the BABB for years, and finally joined. I posted maybe 4 times before the merger.

I am overwhelmed, mostly, and with my limited knowledge I can add virtually nothing except silly puns and, of course, contributions to the Babbling forum.

I will break out one day, so take it easy on me!

Comixx
2006-Mar-13, 07:09 PM
I was reading a bunch of conspiracy theory websites, and sites like the Enterprise Mission when I found some stuff about comets made out of plasma instead of being dirty snowballs.

My brother was already a member of the old Bad Astronomy boards, and he suggested I join and post my question...the rest is history.

ToSeek
2006-Mar-13, 07:21 PM
What is PF? From your description, sounds a little close-minded.

I assume he's talking about Physics Forums (http://www.physicsforums.com/).

Metricyard
2006-Mar-13, 07:48 PM
I remember it well.
I was researching some info on carbon-dating to do some debunking from another forum (funny I can't even remember which site it was) that someone had linked to here. (http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/carbon_dating.asp)

I went googling for a more scientific explanation, and one of the links pointed to the old BABB forum. Never did get to respond to the other forum, I liked it here better. :)

jkmccrann
2006-Mar-13, 07:48 PM
I assume he's talking about Physics Forums (http://www.physicsforums.com/).

Aha! Thanks!

My knowledge of physics is completely abysmal, so I'll have to be careful there, although I do have a couple of mates who got paid to come help out with the Quantum Physics program at Caltech!

All they do in their spare time is use their maths smarts to play poker! Apparently they make $10K-$15K a month online which tends to be more lucrative than the science - financially speaking.

VanderL
2006-Mar-13, 07:53 PM
I didn't join BAUT (I know, just a technicality), I joined UT and the reason is that I wanted to ask questions, because I think there has to be a better model than one that relies on so many "dark" stuff. Asking questions and trying to understand "the Universe".

So I'm mainly interested in new observations, (Cassini, Deep Impact, new scopes like Swift, Spitzer etc) and the ATM section discussing the Big Bang alternatives.

Btw I always "lurked" in the BABB forum, but I found the atmosphere there much more aggressive than UT, although I learned many things.

Cheers.

Melusine
2006-Mar-15, 12:37 PM
I found the BA site after reading the entire 9 Planets site, so then I read his site, lurked at the BABB for years, and finally joined. I posted maybe 4 times before the merger.

I am overwhelmed, mostly, and with my limited knowledge I can add virtually nothing except silly puns and, of course, contributions to the Babbling forum.

I will break out one day, so take it easy on me!
Hey, another Texan! I'm convinced now that Texas is the most represented US state here on BAUT...yes, I realize it's a big state, but then so is California, New York, Alaska, etc. There are alot of Texans here (though most of them are not native I believe).

Anyway, it's easy to feel overwhelmed here--there's so much to read, especially with UT's links. But don't feel like you have to write dissertations to contribute; look at how long the Word Association thread is! Smart people contribute to it, no less. :-) I see from your posts that you have contributed, and everybody has something to add, even if it just helps others think of something else, or to share an article or book. Some people only contribute in the Babbling section, but who cares, really? Even if you just pop in to compliment someone's astrophoto...well, I doubt any of them will shrink from over-adulation! There are more non-scientists here than scientists, so what matters is that people are interested in science, and this country needs more people interested in science, for sure. :)

You work in hydropower I presume on one of Texas's largest lakes that has a dam. That's interesting. It's probably much easier to see the stars over that way, too. Huge lake! (http://www.texashighways.com/currentissue/destinations.php?rid=291]) I don't know if you fish, but here's something that freaked me out about the lake: What the heck are they feeding these fish!! I've seen alligator gars, but not like this one:
Overgrown fish in Texas (http://aimlowproductions.com/gallery/Texas-Trip?page=1).

I don't think you got an adequate welcome, so Welcome!

Disinfo Agent
2006-Mar-15, 02:19 PM
Someone posted a link to Phil's review of Mission to Mars in another forum, and I followed it. After that, I started to check out the Bad Astronomy website every once in a while. At some point, I began to read the bulletin board, and one day I decided to join.
I'm a bit surprised that other lurkers found the forum intimidating, even aggressive. If anything, I was intimidated by how knowledgeable the posters were, but I was also impressed by the general politeness and fact-mindedness of the BABB (and now the BAUT) posters, a rarity on the Internet.